Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

mikemac2 · 01-08-2019 08:29PM

This thread still going I see

When this was in the early stages I remember Fianna Fail Senator Terry Leydon who hails from Roscommon called for a levy on alcohol and the money would ring fenced for suicide prevention. Well that is an issue for Ireland and I guess there is a link between the two. Ok might possibly be an idea worth talking about

But on further questioning the levy was only for off licence sales, definitely not for publicans and after a big more digging the bould Terry is a publican himself

I understand groups lobbying for themselves, sure the farmers and nurses and hell the Law Society and others do it and more power to them but to drag in sucide prevention was a bit classless

Mr. teddywinkles · 01-08-2019 08:32PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

can you come back and tell us who this pro-alcohol lobby is?

The people that's getting gouged with this crap

Capt'n Midnight · 01-08-2019 09:45PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness, why wouldn't the Gov introduce MUP? It helps their publican friends and we will just accept it and carry on as usual, with a little less money in our pockets.

Makes more sense than increasing excise duty because doing that would provide more money for the health services. :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick · 02-08-2019 01:09AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I would think if lots of people started homebrewing (I do some myself) then the Gov would try and hit that somehow too

Would be very difficult though, the process is so incredibly simple. I mean, they could ban the sale of malt extract and pre-prepared ingredients so that all-grain brewing (more complicated and expensive to get started as a beginner) would be the only option, but that's strictly talking about beer - all you need to make cider is literally yeast and apples, if you want to make nice cider you need some fancier enzymes and ingredients but if you're happy to drink the most basic cider imaginable just to get drunk (which given how many people are happy to drink Tesco vodka, I'm sure is a sizeable population

) it would be incredibly easy to do it and unless the government started banning the sale of apples in quantities bigger than X, I don't see how they could prevent it.

It would be very amusing if they introduced such a limit though, it'd be like when they limited the number of tablets in a box of Sudafed because there were so many wannabe Walter Whites cropping up

It would obviously be totally unworkable, but the likes of the Healy Raes are probably mad enough to suggest it

EDIT: During prohibition in the US, people used to sell "grape bricks" which were basically crushed grapes in a box and a packet of yeast. They used to have a "warning" label which said "WARNING: Do not mix the contents of this box in 10 litres of boiling water, leave to cool, add the yeast, and leave to sit for 7-10 days. An illegal alcoholic beverage may inadvertently be created!"

elperello · 14-09-2019 11:06AM

Mr Harris has plans for us

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/alcohol-crackdown-cheap-drink-deals-to-take-a-hit-and-shoppers-wont-get-loyalty-points-38496566.html

The Late Late Show · 14-09-2019 12:03PM

Saw the front page of the Independent. It's commander Simon Harris now is it?!? Since when did the Irish people ask for this oppressive cr@p? Since when was the name of our Republic changed from Ireland to Gilead? Looks like Harris is reading too much Margaret Atwood novels! More in Harris' line would be to tackle the adverse affects of insurance hikes and stress on health and leave people alone WRT the only comfort they may have after a week of stress: a few drinks. Harris' extremism is dangerous and don't think it will just stop at this if he gets away with it.

faceman · 14-09-2019 12:26PM

elperello wrote: »

Mr Harris has plans for us

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/alcohol-crackdown-cheap-drink-deals-to-take-a-hit-and-shoppers-wont-get-loyalty-points-38496566.html

This is mad Ted. Does that mean that O’Brien’s loyalty card scheme will be scrapped?

14-09-2019 12:50PM

elperello wrote: »

Mr Harris has plans for us

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/alcohol-crackdown-cheap-drink-deals-to-take-a-hit-and-shoppers-wont-get-loyalty-points-38496566.html

Well now that he has finally fixed the HSE, it makes sense he should tackle a smaller, lesser problem.

Oh wait.

Odyssey 2005 · 14-09-2019 12:54PM

1850 715 815

14-09-2019 02:26PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

1850 715 815

Better wait until Joe is back from his holliers.

Heavy Beast · 14-09-2019 02:29PM

faceman wrote: »

This is mad Ted. Does that mean that O’Brien’s loyalty card scheme will be scrapped?

Nonsense. That’s where I get my cheap jars from ! Hhahhaaaahhaha alright !

The Late Late Show · 14-09-2019 02:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well now that he has finally fixed the HSE, it makes sense he should tackle a smaller, lesser problem.

Oh wait.

“Now I'm awake to the world. I was asleep before. That's how we let it happen. When they slaughtered Congress, we didn't wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn't wake up then, either. Nothing changes instantaneously. In a gradually heating bathtub, you'd be boiled to death before you knew it.”

― Margaret Atwood

It is time the people tell Harris this policy is not welcome. Down with fascism masquerading as health. The Dail has a bar in it just like Gilead had Jezebels. One law for them, another for us. Harris drinks (and has no adverse health affects on him!) and Harris knows full well the impact of stress and insurance hikes on health. It is time for Harris to get real and the Irish people to wake up before we have Gilead health style imposed on us.

The Late Late Show · 14-09-2019 02:36PM

elperello wrote: »

Mr Harris has plans for us

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/alcohol-crackdown-cheap-drink-deals-to-take-a-hit-and-shoppers-wont-get-loyalty-points-38496566.html

The Irish people should show too they have plans for him. He is an elected official and the people in his area should tell him to end this repressive nonsense or else they won't vote for him.

14-09-2019 05:09PM

The Late Late Show wrote: »

“Now I'm awake to the world. I was asleep before. That's how we let it happen. When they slaughtered Congress, we didn't wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn't wake up then, either. Nothing changes instantaneously. In a gradually heating bathtub, you'd be boiled to death before you knew it.”

― Margaret Atwood

It is time the people tell Harris this policy is not welcome. Down with fascism masquerading as health. The Dail has a bar in it just like Gilead had Jezebels. One law for them, another for us. Harris drinks (and has no adverse health affects on him!) and Harris knows full well the impact of stress and insurance hikes on health. It is time for Harris to get real and the Irish people to wake up before we have Gilead health style imposed on us.

The representative from the supermarket group actually said something valid: facing into Brexit, especially a hard Brexit, is now really a time to be sending shoppers up north, to holyhead for a day trip or to France for a booze cruise?

Short answer is no. As well as stocking up on booze in Asda in Derry, you know what, I'll do my weekly shop as well. British prices always seem less than ours.

The original plan was to bring in minimum unit pricing in at the same time as Northern Ireland so there wouldn't be an exodus up north. Britain is in chaos, Stormont hasnt sat in a long time, there'll be no legislation passed there any time soon. Like a lot of things our(and many other) governments do, this hasn't been thought out and most likely will make things worse.

punisher5112 · 14-09-2019 05:46PM

Anyone got his email?

If they really want to change things then they really need to look at themselves, the waste in HSE, government funding of projects etc....

If people have a drink problem or any issues like mental health, drug abuse and so on then get them the help they need.....

If one is on the scratch then they shouldn't be able to purchase alcohol or spend it all in the pub or bookies....

This fool is just basically adding another stealth tax.....

I like a few beers after a hard week working but it's actually depressing seen those that don't sometimes actually having a much easier life and nothing to worry about as they're handed anything and everything they need.

Thelonious Monk · 14-09-2019 06:09PM

Sure why wouldn't they do this? They're helping their friends in pubs. No one in the Dail from any party opposed this legislation so we can't even protest this with our votes. Absolute f**king bastards. I mean we're all going to die and clog up hospital beds or old people's homes one way or another, so why can't they let us drink?
There's no such thing as cheap booze in Ireland either, it's up there with the dearest in Europe as is.
I really wish we could organise some mass boycotting of pubs until they scrapped this plan, but unfortunately we let politicians do whatever they like in this country.

Atlantic Dawn · 14-09-2019 06:12PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Sure why wouldn't they do this? They're helping their friends in pubs. No one in the Dail from any party opposed this legislation so we can't even protest this with our votes. Absolute f**king bastards. I mean we're all going to die and clog up hospital beds or old people's homes one way or another, so why can't they let us drink?
There's no such thing as cheap booze in Ireland either, it's up there with the dearest in Europe as is.
I really wish we could organise some mass boycotting of pubs until they scrapped this plan, but unfortunately we let politicians do whatever they like in this country.

We could start "The Offo Movement" where we protest outside pubs

14-09-2019 06:52PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Sure why wouldn't they do this? They're helping their friends in pubs. No one in the Dail from any party opposed this legislation so we can't even protest this with our votes. Absolute f**king bastards. I mean we're all going to die and clog up hospital beds or old people's homes one way or another, so why can't they let us drink?
There's no such thing as cheap booze in Ireland either, it's up there with the dearest in Europe as is.
I really wish we could organise some mass boycotting of pubs until they scrapped this plan, but unfortunately we let politicians do whatever they like in this country.

To be honest I'm all for a boycott of pubs over this.

Maybe a flyer saying "i could be sitting here drinking a pint but instead I'm boycotting all pubs until this additional taxation of drink at home alcohol is taken off the agenda". Everyone drops one into their local pub. It may not do anything but if copper face jacks got a thousand of these leaflets people might start talking nationally.

Thelonious Monk · 14-09-2019 06:56PM

well it's not even taxation that's the kicker!

The Late Late Show · 14-09-2019 07:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The representative from the supermarket group actually said something valid: facing into Brexit, especially a hard Brexit, is now really a time to be sending shoppers up north, to holyhead for a day trip or to France for a booze cruise?

Short answer is no. As well as stocking up on booze in Asda in Derry, you know what, I'll do my weekly shop as well. British prices always seem less than ours.

The original plan was to bring in minimum unit pricing in at the same time as Northern Ireland so there wouldn't be an exodus up north. Britain is in chaos, Stormont hasnt sat in a long time, there'll be no legislation passed there any time soon. Like a lot of things our(and many other) governments do, this hasn't been thought out and most likely will make things worse.

Simon Harris is a young man of this generation. He should know better than using and reviving this dangerous cult for the pubs:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/analysis/recruited-as-teenage-spy-by-the-pioneer-total-abstinence-association-369319.html

When will politicians ever stop using dangerous organisations for short-term goals? The Pioneers and their other Catholic allies ran this country for far too long and we had Gilead then with this cult scaring people into not drinking and meanwhile you had Handmaids or Marthas inside those gray drab buildings we were told were 'convents'. I often wonder did Margaret Atwood get inspiration from these Good Shepherd Nuns (A whole bunch of Aunt Lydias).

Of course, the supermarket organisation made sense. The government should do all it can to support our economy and stop listening to killjoy cults. We don't want our version of the Tea Party here and these groups like Alcohol Action Ireland should be IGNORED. Former alcoholics, publicans and religious nutters should not deprive the rest of us.

mikemac2 · 14-09-2019 07:23PM

You can blame Catholicism for many things but teetolism isn't one of them.

Look to the evangelical Protestants for that

Sure most here were probably a Pioneer at one stage even if it was 12 years old to a older teen. It never stopped anyone from breaking a pledge

Thelonious Monk · 14-09-2019 07:27PM

That Frances Black wagon was heavily involved with pushing for this too due to being a reformed total lush and trying to ruin everyone else's fun

The Late Late Show · 14-09-2019 07:33PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

You can blame Catholicism for many things but teetolism isn't one of them.

Look to the evangelical Protestants for that

Sure most here were probably a Pioneer at one stage even if it was 12 years old to a older teen. It never stopped anyone from breaking a pledge

Nothing wrong with Catholics and Protestants. It is the warped individuals who use these faiths are the problem. Same with Islam, etc. too. A lot of evil people take a religion and use it and add to it with their own agendas. Alcohol is NOT banned by any faith, drunkenness is. Banning or restricting alcohol gives it forbidden fruit status and leads to alcohol abuse. Saudi Arabia, prohibition America, Afghanistan (where alcohol is banned) have/had large drunkenness problems they can't admit. Iran, where alcohol is legal for Christians and Jews and traditional Persians and not for Muslims, has a large drunkenness problem among Islamic Iranians.

elperello · 14-09-2019 07:40PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That Frances Black wagon was heavily involved with pushing for this too due to being a reformed total lush and trying to ruin everyone else's fun

In fairness to Senator Black she was never anything more than a regular drinker who got a fit of the vapours and decided to make a second career out of reforming the rest of us.

punisher5112 · 14-09-2019 07:44PM

Many issues would be sorted over night if actual in place laws were implemented.....

I see very young people out getting locked 12 upward and this shouldn't be happening but I shouldn't be paying for this in my 20s or 30s or 40s or 50s and so on.

rightmove · 15-09-2019 06:27AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Many issues would be sorted over night if actual in place laws were implemented.....

I see very young people out getting locked 12 upward and this shouldn't be happening but I shouldn't be paying for this in my 20s or 30s or 40s or 50s and so on.

Id cards????

JohnnyFlash · 15-09-2019 07:05AM

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Simon Harris is a young man of this generation. He should know better than using and reviving this dangerous cult for the pubs:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/analysis/recruited-as-teenage-spy-by-the-pioneer-total-abstinence-association-369319.html

When will politicians ever stop using dangerous organisations for short-term goals? The Pioneers and their other Catholic allies ran this country for far too long and we had Gilead then with this cult scaring people into not drinking and meanwhile you had Handmaids or Marthas inside those gray drab buildings we were told were 'convents'. I often wonder did Margaret Atwood get inspiration from these Good Shepherd Nuns (A whole bunch of Aunt Lydias).

Of course, the supermarket organisation made sense. The government should do all it can to support our economy and stop listening to killjoy cults. We don't want our version of the Tea Party here and these groups like Alcohol Action Ireland should be IGNORED. Former alcoholics, publicans and religious nutters should not deprive the rest of us.

You supping from the sherry bottle writing that, Tubs?

Mr. teddywinkles · 15-09-2019 08:54AM

The HSE telling people going to electric picnic if your going to take drugs take them in small amounts. Nearly advocating it but hey drink is the devils nectar. Funny country this lately.

Pauliedragon · 15-09-2019 09:08AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

well it's not even taxation that's the kicker!

That's what I can't understand if you're gonna bring in MP do it as a tax and use the money to fund alcohol related state issues whether it's the HSE or alcohol treatment programs etc. Why give it to retailers.

JCX BXC · 15-09-2019 09:12AM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

The HSE telling people going to electric picnic if your going to take drugs take them in small amounts. Nearly advocating it but hey drink is the devils nectar. Funny country this lately.

Um no.

It's called harm reduction, people are going to take drugs no matter what the HSE say, so should they do it with no education or should some effort be made to help prevent overdoses?

Infact, I believe festivals should have drug testing tents like in other countries.

How this can be seen as advocating is beyond me!

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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