Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

maynooth_rules · 27-07-2019 01:33PM

Why is the question never put to Trump about how he feels about the prospect of the Good Friday agreement being pissed on by Boris. Democrats have already stated there will be no trade deal if the good Friday agreement hasn't been respected. Why hasn't Trump done so. Why did we role the red carpet out for him to come here and try and gain the green vote in the US. Does he care about peace on this island?

Stop moaning ffs · 27-07-2019 01:36PM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Why is the question never put to Trump about how he feels about the prospect of the Good Friday agreement being pissed on by Boris. Democrats have already stated there will be no trade deal if the good Friday agreement hasn't been respected. Why hasn't Trump done so. Why did we role the red carpet out for him to come here and try and gain the green vote in the US. Does he care about peace on this island?

Don’t think for a blink of an eye moment he knows what the GFA is.

He didn’t know what the NHS was when he said they were taking it on his trip to the uk

Capt'n Midnight · 27-07-2019 01:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile, provisional trade deals are being made in preparation for a "no deal" Brexit.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal it would lose these trade deals immediately - worth about 11% of total UK trade.

Add to that 11% the EU to whom go 46% of UK exports, 54% of imports.

Also add Turkey who are in the Customs Union. They make Ford Tansit vans.

The UK exported £7.1bn ($9.4bn) worth of goods and services to Turkey in 2017, according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics, while importing £10.4bn ($13.7bn).

The rest is mostly China, the US and India who will all want major concessions.

Other UK areas are dodgy banking and arms sales. A future EU crackdown won't help either.

bilston · 27-07-2019 01:52PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

What is remarkable is that the North has been reasonably muted. Little to no protests or bother of significance.

Ok, Lyra McKee was shot in an obvious tragedy, and there was the Derry car bomb (obvious warning), but not much besides? These are quickly forgotten about in the endless news cycle.

The Orange 'season' has passed with little trouble and it can be said that most people do indeed crave stability and peace so they can just get on with their lives, but NI has had the Sword of Damocles hanging over it for some time now, and no functioning government for years (enjoying the honour of a world record for this). Westminster has begun to make laws for NI, even if the most recent ot these seem to favour Nationalist sentiment.

I'm actually surprised that the dissident elements haven't tried to focus minds a little more? That they haven't really woken from their light slumber? Obviously I dont want to precipitate violence but I guess there may have been calculations on the IRA side that to cause trouble might be counter productive as the UK is the weak element in negotiations. That might change however with the hardening of positions and the UK's intransigence on NI...

I don't think leaving the EU itself is what gets peoples' backs up, after all not many people feel much of an attachment to the EU.

However it's the consequences of leaving the EU that are the issue, and you won't see those consequences until the UK (inc. NI) have left. That's when people will start getting angry.

Water John · 27-07-2019 02:10PM

That clip of Peter Foster is the best piece of straight taking Iv'e seen in a long time, thanks for that.

lawred2 · 27-07-2019 02:10PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

But he did quietly reply and it still has them all aflutter.

I'm in no way suggesting we should abandon our first class diplomacy of the last 5 years but we should also not hide what we think is right, especially when it concerns citizens of ours that are being sidelined by this English Nationalist omnishambles.

So if they don't like the reality or being told about it, then that's their problem. Not ours.

This is a fact often overlooked. Especially by Westminster. There are Irish citizens living in the north whose rights are being actively eroded without their accord.

Damn right that the Irish government speaks plainly and firmly for them.

Sam Russell · 27-07-2019 02:28PM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Why is the question never put to Trump about how he feels about the prospect of the Good Friday agreement being pissed on by Boris. Democrats have already stated there will be no trade deal if the good Friday agreement hasn't been respected. Why hasn't Trump done so. Why did we role the red carpet out for him to come here and try and gain the green vote in the US. Does he care about peace on this island?

Why did nobody react to Dominic Raab's revelation that he had not read the GFA at all, despite it only being 38 pages long and him being the Secretary of State for Brexit - which project is being held up by having to respect the GFA?

If the SoS for Brexit does not see the need to read the GFA, it is not surprising that the POTUS does not read it either.

Has anyone asked B. Johnson if he has read the WA in total or even some of it?

Seth Brundle · 27-07-2019 03:19PM

Sammy Wilson speaking his mind again...

The hysterical and self-centred response from the Irish government to the reasonable demands of the prime minister to have the backstop removed from any exit deal from the European Union speaks volumes.

Mr Wilson said the “megaphone reaction” demonstrated “blatant attempts by Leo Varadkar and Co to use the Irish border as a means of undermining Britain’s referendum has backed fired on them and they know it”

He said: “The Irish Government walked the world stage and styled themselves as the victims of British aggression. ‘Poor little Ireland’ may have worked in the past but people are growing tired of the same old tune.”

“The game is up. They have overplayed their hand and they need to change course.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dup-accuses-government-of-poor-little-ireland-act-on-brexit-1.3969709

Seth Brundle · 27-07-2019 03:29PM

The Guardian is also reporting that the usual call that takes place when there's a new leader in the UK or Ireland to their counterpart hasn't yet happened after four days...

Boris Johnson yet to make a phone call to Irish PM Leo Varadkar

MrMusician18 · 27-07-2019 03:31PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Gavan Reilly reports that the Barclay thing never even happened, so our friend Littlejohn is lying on top of everything else.

I would've thought that it was quite obviously untrue. You don't visit someone to give them the riot act, you summons them to your location.

The fact that you have deputations visiting Dublin and other European capitals belies the truth of where the real power lies.

Igotadose · 27-07-2019 04:06PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

The telegraph actually reporting facts?

We truly are in end days

What was the reference to opening a cafe on Manston Airfield about? Is that a point of the bottleneck?

FrancieBrady · 27-07-2019 04:07PM

Igotadose wrote: »

What was the reference to opening a cafe on Manston Airfield about? Is that a point of the bottleneck?

You''ll make a fortune off the truckers waiting there.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-07-2019 04:13PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The Guardian is also reporting that the usual call that takes place when there's a new leader in the UK or Ireland to their counterpart hasn't yet happened after four days...

Boris Johnson yet to make a phone call to Irish PM Leo Varadkar

Think fault here is with Varadkar.

The normal way is for foreign leaders to phone the incoming leader and congratulate them, not the other way around.

Stop moaning ffs · 27-07-2019 04:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Think fault here is with Varadkar.

The normal way is for foreign leaders to phone the incoming leader and congratulate them, not the other way around.

You’ve been months now saying we’re about to cave. You’ve been corrected times beyond count.
Yet You’re still pushing this nonsense?

Give it over fella.

Strazdas · 27-07-2019 04:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Think fault here is with Varadkar.

The normal way is for foreign leaders to phone the incoming leader and congratulate them, not the other way around.

I don't think so....the Taoiseach congratulated him on Twitter as soon as he was appointed

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1153664813614153728

27-07-2019 04:29PM

Igotadose wrote: »

What was the reference to opening a cafe on Manston Airfield about? Is that a point of the bottleneck?

It's a disused airport near the channel ports that will presumably be used for truck parking when the ports are overloaded.

BobbyBobberson · 27-07-2019 04:31PM

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/the-view-from-no-10-brexit-by-any-means-necessary/

Short piece on Cummings and govt aides.

ancapailldorcha · 27-07-2019 04:38PM

Mod: One-liners deleted.

fash · 27-07-2019 04:42PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

The telegraph actually reporting facts?

We truly are in end days

That's very unfair on Peter Foster to be honest.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-07-2019 04:45PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You’ve been months now saying we’re about to cave. You’ve been corrected times beyond count.
Yet You’re still pushing this nonsense?

Give it over fella.

I have no idea what you are on about.

I said the normal approach is for foreign leaders to give courtesy call to new leader.

I don't see how anyone can argue with common sense.

BobbyBobberson · 27-07-2019 04:46PM

fash wrote: »

That's very unfair on Peter Foster to be honest.

I have to say I follow him on twitter and have done for months and it was only the other week I decked he was The Telegraph. I find him to be excellent.

Stop moaning ffs · 27-07-2019 05:00PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have no idea what you are on about.

I said the normal approach is for foreign leaders to give courtesy call to new leader.

I don't see how anyone can argue with common sense.

Clearly you do.

Have you looked up Johnson calling Junker and getting the time wrong?
On purpose!

And he was told the same his predecessor was told. Sign up to the withdrawal agreement or no deal.

Didn’t see that today in the mail no?

Can’t imagine why

lawred2 · 27-07-2019 05:03PM

bilston wrote: »

I don't think leaving the EU itself is what gets peoples' backs up, after all not many people feel much of an attachment to the EU.

However it's the consequences of leaving the EU that are the issue, and you won't see those consequences until the UK (inc. NI) have left. That's when people will start getting angry.

I fail to see what the difference is

bilston · 27-07-2019 05:17PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I fail to see what the difference is

The UK hasn't left the EU yet therefore the consequences haven't been felt therefore people aren't up in arms as much as they will be should it all go horribly wrong, which it probably will.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-07-2019 06:29PM

The I newspaper reporting Downing Street saying BJ has "not had the time" to speak with Varadkar (which of course is nonsense as he has spoken with several leaders).

That's a clear snub in my opinion.

BobbyBobberson · 27-07-2019 06:32PM

Its a strange approach to take but christ knows what he is thinking. Everyone should just enjoy a quiet August before the utter ****storm that lies ahead!

Ben Done · 27-07-2019 06:41PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The I newspaper reporting Downing Street saying BJ has "not had the time" to speak with Varadkar

That's a clear snub in my opinion.

It was your opinion half an hour ago that Leo had snubbed him.

It seems you love to drop headlines here in order to raise a response.
It's not entirely clear what the motivation is.

Beechwoodspark · 27-07-2019 06:43PM

So trump is saying negotiations are ongoing for a trade deal with the UK...

I was under impression no deals can be negotiated until after the UK do actually leave?

Kermit.de.frog · 27-07-2019 06:50PM

Ben Done wrote: »

It was your opinion half an hour ago that Leo had snubbed him.

It seems you love to drop headlines here in order to raise a response.
It's not entirely clear what the motivation is.

I assumed Varadkar had not asked to contact him. It appears from No 10 that is (probably) not the case.

Also I don't need anyone's validation, thank you.

PeadarCo · 27-07-2019 06:51PM

bilston wrote:

The UK hasn't left the EU yet therefore the consequences haven't been felt therefore people aren't up in arms as much as they will be should it all go horribly wrong, which it probably will.

https://www.ft.com/content/82674920-af9e-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2

The issue is that Johnson has said he won't negotiate unless the backstop is dropped. This will bring to a head fairly quickly. Either Johnson backs down similar to Teresa May or everyone starts activating no deal contingencies. The consequences could be felt before the UK formally leaves given in the link it mentions that a no deal would threaten the existence of the UK motor industry. Not to mention the damage it will do to the UK service industry.

On a broader note it will be interesting to see how serious Johnson is with his threat . Whatever he does he will bring things to a head quickly and create a reaction in the UK on either side of the debate.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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