Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

Sardonicat · 21-07-2019 5:50pm

MrFresh wrote: »

There would be no physical way for them to perform such a procedure.

There's no physical way for a beautician to remove hair from labia that do not exist, either.

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 5:50pm

Gatling wrote: »

"That prompted Yaniv to tell the tribunal that she was intersex and that she had female body parts."

Pretty obvious that this fool is a troll nothing more

She is not a fool but a clever manipulative person

This person has a fixation with young girls and has been warned off an child's beauty pageant by one of the organises

Posts pictures of makeup skin wipes with dildos in the background and asks "advice" from which ones are better

Posts pictures of herself in ladies bathrooms

Posts fantasising about being approached by young school girls, on a ferry she takes, for help with their first periods

While there is clearly a financial element to the filings the actual case is an escalation of a pattern of behaviour

She harrassed the first lady so much that she claimed that she was leaving the country for 6 months.

All of that won't matter if the judge decides that she has actually suffered discrimination on the basis of her gender.

Gatling · 21-07-2019 5:56pm

MrFresh wrote: »

There would be no physical way for them to perform such a procedure.

But if a man declared that they are female and eititled to such female medical examinations and treatments surely there would some sort of attempt to placate the person for fear of facing legal action .

I know this might come across someone trying to be smart isn't this is the type of situations that are going to come up in the future

MrFresh · 21-07-2019 6:43pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

There's no physical way for a beautician to remove hair from labia that do not exist, either.

That's what I've been saying.

Gatling wrote: »

But if a man declared that they are female and eititled to such female medical examinations and treatments surely there would some sort of attempt to placate the person for fear of facing legal action .

There might be. Some people will do anything for an easy life. It doesn't mean the law wouldn't be on their side of they turned the person away.

mad muffin · 21-07-2019 7:08pm

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Glass fused light wrote: »

So the ladies offer waxing to women
The claim is based on the fact that the person is now a woman
Therefore the ladies can not discriminate by not offering the service to all women.

Have you got your head around that it's a woman looking for waxing of her man bits?

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 7:11pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

So the ladies offer waxing to women
The claim is based on the fact that the person is now a woman
Therefore the ladies can not discriminate by not offering the service to all women.

Have you got your head around that it's a woman looking for waxing of her lady bits?

...they aren't lady bits though, which is the problem.

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mad muffin · 21-07-2019 7:21pm

This is all really the fault of the law makers. Tripping over themselves to be shown as enlightened and progressive. Without giving it all much thought.

In my opinion it’s pretty simple. A trans person can identify as whatever they want. Until they commit to transitioning, and are then transitioned. They are their biological sex.

This person would then have nothing to hide behind, and their trolling would be made even more obvious.

So no men walking around in dresses and long hair demanding to avail of women only services.

No men masquerading as women demanding to participate in women’s sports.

None of that should be happening, and only serves to diminish women. Women are made to suffer for men wanting to be recognised as women, without actually transitioning.

drunkmonkey · 21-07-2019 7:22pm

Odhinn wrote: »

...they aren't lady bits though, which is the problem.

They are if there on a female which is the problem.

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 7:26pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They are if there on a female which is the problem.

Nope. If they're on a female they're still male organs on a female. If she had an op done and said bollocks were to be turned into the appropriate organs, and they refused to wax them, she'd have a case. As it is yer woman wants to have it both ways, but logically she can't. She strikes me as a bit of an attention whore, tbh.

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 7:31pm

MrFresh wrote: »

If they offer a service waxing male genitalia, then yes. If they don't offer a service waxing male genitalia then no.

Except it is a different service.

I've been very specific about referring to the part that is waxed and not the gender of the person being waxed.

The current trans ideology is about getting the world to accept gender is fixed and biology is moveable.

Look at sport the ladies weight lifting and Laurel Hubbard a weight lifter for New Zealand etc

So no it's not different if the law recognises that she is a woman then the State recognises the whole person including her body is that of a woman.

The specific part is now specific to the woman's body and is now a woman's body part.

This is what is being taught that sex and gender are the same thing so when you change gender you change sex.
That trans men are men just not cis men and that trans women are women just not cis women
That trans men are not a subclass of women but a subclass of men etc

For example
the renaming of pregnant woman to pregnant people.
This ignores the reality that trans men are 1-2% of the full population with the possible ability to give birth. The ratio of women v trans men giving birth should be lower still. Yet the policy is that women should be gender neutralised to people

Up to now everybody recognised that every single person on this earth that ever lived was birthed by a woman
So when you heard the words "we have just given birth to a baby" from a man you looked to congratulate the woman on her successful pregnancy and 'labor'

Now people will point out that men get pregnant and have babies
There is a tested in the UK where a biological woman who is a trans man is looking to have the birth registered with him named as the father. I don't think the judgement is in yet.

So yes this is a very important case for Canada as it goes to the heart of how gender recognition works for everybody.

Hormones and surgery are no longer an essential part of the process they are optional.

For women it's the difference in being able to ask for a woman for intimate care in everything from bra fitting to non critical medical care and getting a biological woman rather someone who decides that they feel like a woman.

Or this:

Women are being told that there will never be a case of a male predator IDing to access womens spaces. But that the trans community are in such danger from men that they need sanctuary in former women only spaces. Objecting to this by woman who have actually also suffered from male violence and/or rape is bigotry and causing the deaths of trans women

Self ID acceptance by police in the UK is causing problems
That is because if a man said "I am a woman" when arrested they are processed through the system as if they were a trans woman.
In Scotland a trans women who sexually assaulted a child was housed in a womens refuge because the other occupants were adult women and so not at risk.
Transing for a sexual offender has the added advantage of creating a new legal identity and "dead naming" is classed as a hate crime and so a criminal offence.
It also skews the crime figures as women are suddenly committing more sexual offences.

cantalach · 21-07-2019 7:36pm

antodeco wrote: »

Let's just stop referring to people as male / female and just call people by what genitalia they have.

i.e. just refer to everyone as either Dick or Fanny.

drunkmonkey · 21-07-2019 7:48pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Nope. If they're on a female they're still male organs on a female.

They can't be, you can't have male organs on a female, if you had male organs on a female it would be a male.

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 7:51pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They can't be, you can't have male organs on a female, if you had male organs on a female it would be a male.

Nope. Hermaphrodite can have two viable sets of organs.

Fann Linn · 21-07-2019 7:53pm

Great thread title by the way. Give a wry smile everytime it shows up.

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 7:59pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Forcing someone to interact with genitalia that doesn't make them comfortable isn't very nice really

Its called sexual assault

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 8:00pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Nope. If they're on a female they're still male organs on a female. If she had an op done and said bollocks were to be turned into the appropriate organs, and they refused to wax them, she'd have a case. As it is yer woman wants to have it both ways, but logically she can't. She strikes me as a bit of an attention whore, tbh.

There is no such thing as male organs on a female. Female is the protected sex characteristic, and no amount of glitter or unicorns can magic that away. Even the TRAs know this, as their claim is that Trans women are women, not trans women are female.

We really need to have a serious conversation about this. Trans women are biologically male, and retain the same level of male pattern violence and sexual assault as all other males. Not only should women not be compelled to touch their male genitalia, women should also not have to share their spaces, events, positions or scholarships - because they are fcuking males!

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 8:03pm

Dante7 wrote: »

There (..............) fcuking males!

That's nice.

In the meantime, remember that male organs are male organs regardless of the true gender identity of the person they're attached to.

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 8:11pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Nope. Hermaphrodite can have two viable sets of organs.

Wrong again. Stop trying to drag people with DSD (intersex conditions) into this debate as they largely refute the conflation. I can put you in touch with se people with DSDs if you need clarification. Humans are male or female, and even the tiny minority with a DSD are still either male or female but with a chromosomal defect. This hermaphrodite, intersex, sex is a spectrum bollocks really needs to be put to bed.

drunkmonkey · 21-07-2019 8:11pm

So your saying the only females with male bits are hermaphrodites? There are I think 63 gender identities. Do we need to seperate these from sex, what's the solution here. Go back to 2013 and start again?

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 8:15pm

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Would a man having sex with this woman be considered heterosexual sex?

Is it transphobia if a man does not want to have sex with this woman?

Just for you
Enjoy

Why hetro male must sleep with tans women

https://mobile.twitter.com/zjemptv/status/881284028548173824?lang=en

https://mobile.twitter.com/zjemptv/status/881284028548173824?lang=en

Galwayguy35 · 21-07-2019 8:17pm

All he has to do is buy some shaving cream and a razor and shave his own balls, it's not that difficult to do.

What a stupid world we live in entertaining people like this guy complaing that women won't wax his sack.

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 8:18pm

Odhinn wrote: »

That's nice.

In the meantime, remember that male organs are male organs regardless of the true gender identity of the person they're attached to.

It has nothing to do with nice or not nice. It is biological and scientific fact. Also remember that biological males will always be biological males, regardless of whatever gender they identify as. And with that biological maleness, trans women will continue to exhibit the same levels of male pattern violence and sexual assault and women are completely correct in wanting to keep them out of their spaces.

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 8:29pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

If the media weren't publicising the actions of this idiot, it would be some unknown random failed frivolous lawsuits on the other side of the planet, just like the thousands of others every day.

The media isn’t publicising the case at all. Until a few days ago it wasn’t a public hearing. There’s one or two independent bloggers. And the case hasn’t failed yet.

Small correction it was open to the public.
With a public gallery.
So the media could have attended and reported on the facts of the case

The only restriction was on IDing the person

This restriction is used is applied to the media in rape cases and in the recent muder case

The media did not turn up even though they had access

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 8:29pm

Double post

Nika Bolokov · 21-07-2019 8:29pm

That Twitter account that started all this is satire....

drunkmonkey · 21-07-2019 8:30pm

Dante7 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with nice or not nice. It is biological and scientific fact. Also remember that biological males will always be biological males, regardless of whatever gender they identify as. And with that biological maleness, trans women will continue to exhibit the same levels of male pattern violence and sexual assault and women are completely correct in wanting to keep them out of their spaces.

How can you do that when we issue passports to gender identities and not sex? If we're accepting which we are that males are females and visa versa. We can't have different rules.

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 8:31pm

Dante7 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with nice or not nice. It is biological and scientific fact. Also remember that biological males will always be biological males, regardless of whatever gender they identify as. And with that biological maleness, trans women will continue to exhibit the same levels of male pattern violence and sexual assault and women are completely correct in wanting to keep them out of their spaces.

Pull the other one.

Sonny noggs · 21-07-2019 8:31pm

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

That Twitter account that started all this is satire....

But the story is real...

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 8:37pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Pull the other one.

Regarding? Are you questioning the stats on trans offences?

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 8:38pm

Dante7 wrote: »

Regarding? Are you questioning the stats on trans offences?

I question the sincerity of your posts on the subject generally.

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 8:41pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The UK times back in march it was over a feminist suing twitter, it's a paid for article I can't link to it. It's been going on for a while.
It's transphobic not to be supporting her so I'm not surprised the papers have kept away from it especially here as we're one of the only countries in the world to give special rights to gender identity.

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/feminist-writer-sues-twitter-after-she-tweets-men-arent-woman-and-gets-banned/

It was for hate speech. Misgendering the woman who filed the cases and saying a man can't be a woman

She claims that she is a bestie with one of the founders of Twitter and that this is why posts about her get monitored and posting bans handed out

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 8:43pm

Odhinn wrote: »

I question the sincerity of your posts on the subject generally.

So you have nothing to add to the substantive issues of the debate, you just have a vague hurty feeling. Sounds familiar.

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 8:58pm

Dante7 wrote: »

So you have nothing to add to the substantive issues of the debate, you just have a vague hurty feeling. Sounds familiar.

No, I just know one when I see one and you're certainly fitting the profile.

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 8:59pm

Dante7 wrote: »

So answer the question. Should the woman in my scenario be compelled to offer a waxing service to a transwoman?

MrFresh wrote: »

If they offer a service waxing male genitalia, then yes. If they don't offer a service waxing male genitalia then no.

Dante7 wrote: »

Ok, great. So we are in agreement that women should not be obliged to wax trans women as they have male genitalia. The logical progression of this is that Trans women aren't women as they are biological males and as such don't automatically have a right to female only spaces or services.

@MrFresh could you expand on this please? You seem to be saying that women should have the right to refuse service based on the fact that the trans woman has male genitalia. Is this a fair assessment of your position?

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 9:03pm

Odhinn wrote: »

No, I just know one when I see one and you're certainly fitting the profile.

Again, nothing to add. Just another man pretending to be all inclusive and woke, while happily standing by as women and their hard fought sex based rights are thrown under the bus.

BENDYBINN · 21-07-2019 9:06pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

All he has to do is buy some shaving cream and a razor and shave his own balls, it's not that difficult to do.

What a stupid world we live in entertaining people like this guy complaing that women won't wax his sack.

I’d wax them for him.........believe me he wouldn’t ask again!!

Odhinn · 21-07-2019 9:07pm

Dante7 wrote: »

Again, nothing to add. Just another man pretending to be all inclusive and woke, while happily standing by as women and their hard fought sex based rights are thrown under the bus.

If that's the therapy you need to get out there.....

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 9:16pm

Odhinn wrote: »

If that's the therapy you need to get out there.....

Again, absolutely nothing constructive. I am quite willing and happy to have a meaningful debate about this subject. When you are ready.

Wibbs · 21-07-2019 9:20pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Nope. Hermaphrodite can have two viable sets of organs.

"Hermaphrodites" as you describe them pretty much don't exist. Two "viable sets of organs"? Nope.

mad muffin · 21-07-2019 9:23pm

I’ve just realised. I’ve always identified as Canadian. And I expect now, that I will be granted Canadian citizenship. And I want everyone to refer to me as a Canuck.

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 9:26pm

Wibbs wrote: »

"Hermaphrodites" as you describe them pretty much don't exist. Two "viable sets of organs"? Nope.

Cue the smart arse beardy woke blokes who will bring up Karotypes and try to baffle people with their sex is a spectrum nonsense. The gig is up on that one though.

Dante7 · 21-07-2019 9:29pm

https://twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1153034351103348737?s=19

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 9:36pm

Gatling wrote: »

So can a man sue a doctor or hospital or health service for not providing him cervical smears and other female specific examinations and treatments even though they don't actually have a cervix or female reproductive systems

The BBC did 2 articles on cancer
Men got prostate cancer
People with a vagina got cervical cancer. the video had a actress doing a monolog of her discovering she had cancer. She did not use the word woman once.

The recording of gender is an actual problem for medical services
If the doctors here list a female as male
She will not get offered cervical tests or mammograms etc
I don't think there is a test for prostate cancer yet? [but any males want to chip in on male only medical services?]

If she is listed in a&e as trans male on a medical chart and has bad cramping and involuntary liquid discharge (wet themselves) and no periods is the doctor going to think miscarriage?
>> This was recorded in the US the baby was reported to have died and the parent was a 'near miss'.

The other issue is we don't present the same biological indicators for illness eg
female heart attack symptoms are different from male heart attack symptoms. Womens being classes as atypical ie less chest pain and more subtle symptoms

And that's not taking account of the changes that puberty blockers and hormones may have on the body ( brest cancer, bone density, depression, mood swings)
or the medical issues which may arrise from surgical intervention

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 9:44pm

MrFresh wrote: »

There would be no physical way for them to perform such a procedure.

When you start looking it gets fcuking real weird to get your head around

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6492192/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/live-birth-dead-donor-definition-motherhood-transplants-pregnancy

Sittingpretty · 21-07-2019 9:46pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

When you start looking it gets fcuking real weird to get your head around

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6492192/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/live-birth-dead-donor-definition-motherhood-transplants-pregnancy

The pendulum really has swung too far.

Gatling · 21-07-2019 9:47pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

When you start looking it gets fcuking real weird to get your head around

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6492192/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/live-birth-dead-donor-definition-motherhood-transplants-pregnancy

Ooooook ......

Glass fused light · 21-07-2019 9:59pm

Odhinn wrote: »

..turned into the appropriate organs, and they refused to wax them, she'd have a case.

Both women have stated that their personal belief and their religious belief would result in the same outcome for a post op trans woman
That they would view handling a bio-male body as cheating on their husbands
The second lady (who has learning difficulties) left a care job before marrying so as not to have to provide care to male bodies. The waxing allowed her an opportunity to earn an income while only having a female client base.

So both ladies would never consent to the waxing irrespective of gender they would still see a male body.

Should the State remove their ability to refuse wax a body and force them out of business?

Heres Johnny · 21-07-2019 10:21pm

Surely there's some ladies of the night that would carry out this waxing for a moderate fee.

Edit: Sorry, people of the night.

Calhoun · 21-07-2019 10:25pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In British Columbia, there is at the present moment 16 “human rights” complaints, launched by a single person who asserts the status of “trans woman” against (mainly immigrant) female cosmeticians who — from religious sensibilities, reasons of safety, or simple personal preference — refused that person’s demand for a Brazilian waxing of their male genitals.

Ricky Gervais has jumped in to help..

We can't be far off one of these cases here.

Full story https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/19/canadas-bizarre-trans-waxing-controversy/amp/

Whats even worse about this person, which was linked in another thread was that they have been up to some questionable things with kids around the age of 12-13 saying that they will help them put in their tampons.

It would be in the best interest for the trans community that people like this do not come to prominence here.

Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

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