Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

drunkmonkey

In British Columbia, there is at the present moment 16 “human rights” complaints, launched by a single person who asserts the status of “trans woman” against (mainly immigrant) female cosmeticians who — from religious sensibilities, reasons of safety, or simple personal preference — refused that person’s demand for a Brazilian waxing of their male genitals.

Ricky Gervais has jumped in to help..



We can't be far off one of these cases here.

Full story https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/19/canadas-bizarre-trans-waxing-controversy/amp/

Mod: We're getting a lot of reports about the misgendering, deliberate or otherwise, of Jessica Yaniv.

Whatever people's thoughts on the case at hand, how this person chooses to identify is their choice alone. Jessica Yaniv, whatever you might think of her actions elsewhere, chooses to identify as male-to-female transgender. Discuss the person's actions all you want, but from here on in, use the person's preferred pronouns.

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Beasty wrote: »

Christ almighty! Why do people try and bring race/religion into every discussion? I guess it's because people know it's a controversial topic and will get reactions

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wellwhynot

It is ridiculous. I assume the beauticians only wax women. Adult female women do not have a penis and balls. What will a court case do? Force the beauticians to do something they are not comfortable with?

antodeco

Let's just stop referring to people as male / female and just call people by what genitalia they have. Would make life easier.

Beaticians who specialise in waxing of those without penis

dudara

Its not even 10am on Sunday and this thread has already gone downhill. No one actually seems interested in discussing the news story at the centre of this thread.

Update: thread has been cleaned up and re-opened. I don’t want to see any the previous sh*t re-reappearing. If it does, there will be cards.

dudara

Bobblehats

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We can't be far off one of these cases here.

We’re progressing at an astonishing rate aren’t we!

Onwards and upwards ..

I'm surprised they're out of work. would something like 'i don't have the expertise' not be a defence?
sounds like that person is on a crusade to harass beauticians and it is shocking carry on

Plumbthedepths

I wonder how long will it be before there is a complete reversal of the present b*llsh*t?

Naydy

Unsure if I can post this, mod please feel free to remove/edit if inappropriate. This is a person who has previous form online for sexually harrassing women, racist tweets and describing fantasies of helping little 10 year old girls with their tampons and bonding with them over her "periods".

She is not someone representative of transgender people and should not be held up as such. I think it's awful that there will likely be an outpouring of ignorant comments towards transgender people in general from this. Transgender women have already come out to roundly condemn her behaviour online and rightly so.

You can find extracts from the tribunal on Youtube by searching BC human rights tribunal. It is a car crash of a case.

dudara

bluewolf wrote: »

I'm surprised they're out of work. would something like 'i don't have the expertise' not be a defence?
sounds like that person is on a crusade to harass beauticians and it is shocking carry on

I read a few articles on this earlier. One of the beauticians said that she had refused as she was not trained/experienced in waxing male parts.

Dig out some of the articles and have a read. The woman at the centre of all this is quite a character (to put it mildly)

JustAThought

Same is going on here up North with a middle aged man demanding to be let dress up in his tutu and do ballet lessons with little girls. And a lot more. Childrens ballet class teacher sued & usual hell breaking out. Its not just the insurance industry who are at fault. As one poster has said -when is common sense and basic human dignity and cop on going to click in.

I would have said kick in except no doubt I'd be screamed down for projecting violence -hence the bad english.

This planet driven by lawyers has gone to the dogs.

alchemist33

Yet another "fringe" (see what I did there?) case by a wacky individual pounced upon by a rightwing website to warn us all of the imminent demise of society. The person here isn't representative of trans people and the case isn't representative of anything. It should be reported as a one-paragraph story on the internet equivalent of page 17.

JupiterKid

Pathetic and ridiculous - and a sad sign of where Western society is going with all this pandering to delusional self-seeking basket cases - and the media for trying to whip it up into a frenzy...

drunkmonkey

alchemist33 wrote: »

Yet another "fringe" (see what I did there?) case by a wacky individual pounced upon by a rightwing website

In fairness the times reported on this month's ago, you can't say it's just the right wing having a pop.

If it was just a guy wanting a wax and no women beauticians would do it i'd support him.
Myself I know if it's something embarrassing I much prefer going to a female doctor. Haven't had a wax down there but the same would apply.
I think there's a place in dublin does it but it's all guys doing it for guys.

BuboBubo

If the beauticians have never waxed this type of *ahem* before they were perfectly right not to do so. If something went wrong they risk injuring the client and could be sued.

I've been refused haircuts by barbers who only deal with male clients because they aren't trained in female haircutting. Nothing wrong with that.

alchemist33

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In fairness the times reported on this month's ago, you can't say it's just the right wing having a pop.

If it was just a guy wanting a wax and no women beauticians would do it i'd support him.
Myself I know if it's something embarrassing I much prefer going to a female doctor. Haven't had a wax down there but the same would apply.
I think there's a place in dublin does it but it's all guys doing it for guys.

In that case I'll blame the Times just as much for giving it prominence. "Crank goes to court" was usually just good for a short article, but add in a trans element and now it's controversy gold.

RobbieTheRobber

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Full story https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/19/canadas-bizarre-trans-waxing-controversy/amp/

I started reading the "full story" link you provided.
Couldn't read past the first line for fit's of laughter.

For proof that the woke war on common SENSE

So can you fill me in, is this just one person claiming discrimination?
In which case so what, this won't be the first ridiculous thing brought before a court. I would also not expect it to be a successful claim.

drunkmonkey

People have already lost their business. It has been successfully to a point.

_blaaz

I would imagine management have right to refuse business for any reason?


(Plus id imagine this would be painful beyond belief :eek: )

Sir Oxman

Naydy wrote: »

Unsure if I can post this, mod please feel free to remove/edit if inappropriate. This is a person who has previous form online for sexually harrassing women, racist tweets and describing fantasies of helping little 10 year old girls with their tampons and bonding with them over her "periods".

She is not someone representative of transgender people and should not be held up as such. I think it's awful that there will likely be an outpouring of ignorant comments towards transgender people in general from this. Transgender women have already come out to roundly condemn her behaviour online and rightly so.

You can find extracts from the tribunal on Youtube by searching BC human rights tribunal. It is a car crash of a case.

However.
This person has managed to get Twitter to ban anyone who mentioned his name(s) for the past year which has led to many, many erudite decent professional women being banned and deplatformed for simply requesting that a debate be had about this (IMO) lunatics asylum car crash of an ideological cult and its demands.


This person lives in Canada which has the most wide ranging and far reaching laws in place which are in reality anti-women laws which is how this person managed to file 16 seperate cases all against immigrant women who do not and never will offer ball waxing - rape crisis centres being defunded due to another trans gender persons complaint (one with political power) that biological men self IDing as women were excluded from a womans space for rape victims.


This is why this is important.
This is where any country adopting this cult of self ID can go if debate is blocked by cries of 'transphobe!'

jaxxx

You know what we need? A good old alien invasion, or AI to take over. That'll sort us out, give us a big old dose of a reality check. Lord knows we're desperately in need of one. Better yet, gimme the old red button and I'll push it no probs!

Maybe he's just trolling..
Maybe it's a kind of performance art with the intention of shedding light on the absurdity of the current state of affairs..

JohnnyFlash

dudara wrote: »

I read a few articles on this earlier. One of the beauticians said that she had refused as she was not trained/experienced in waxing male parts.

Dig out some of the articles and have a read. The woman at the centre of all this is quite a character (to put it mildly)

It’s a man with a big set of hairy balls in a dress claiming he’s a woman. It’s an insult to women to be categorising narcissistic and trouble-making attention seekers such as this as one of them.

There’s something so ‘faith based’ and weirdly conservative about this supposed wave of progressiveness that is being festooned upon us. We accept the dogma without question, and prepare for the public trial if anyone questions the orthodoxy. Science, logic, and reason doesn’t seem to matter. That’s why a man with big hairy balls in a dress can claim to be a woman.

Umekichi

I've been following this drama for a while now on another site and the person involved is a creep. The dude involved is convinced he has a period and is obsessed with pads/tampons. He also has been banned from multiple FB groups for harassing women by messaging them about tampons, has used his past work with a kids band to try and hook up with a 13 year old and is also obsessed with "helping" 10-12 year old girls with tampons/pads. On top of that he's obsessed with seeing women naked in the gym, is a racist asshole(even making out that immigrants weren't as clean as him) and has gone after anyone who is slighty critical of him with stupid lawsuits.

cdeb

Naydy wrote: »

She is not someone representative of transgender people and should not be held up as such.

Is that necessarily true?

Studies have shown that people who identify as a different gender are significantly more likely to be on the autistic spectrum. (See National Geographic Jan 2017 for instance, which mentioned a figure of ten times more likely). This person appears to have mental issues as well going by what you posted about him.

With autism rates estimated in some places as 2-3% of the general population (US source because a lot of this is US-driven; the Irish rate is around 0.5%), then you're potentially looking at as much as 20-30% of people who identify as another gender being on the autism spectrum.

He may be on the extreme side of things, but if as many as 30% of people who identify as another gender are on the autism spectrum, then I don't think it's correct to dismiss this person as not representing transgenderism. (Not saying it's right to say they do represent it either, or even that my figures are fully correct - just saying that care needs to be taken in generalisations on either side here)

_blaaz

Umekichi wrote: »

I've been following this drama for a while now on another site and the person involved is a creep. The dude involved is convinced he has a period and is obsessed with pads/tampons. He also has been banned from multiple FB groups for harassing women by messaging them about tampons, has used his past work with a kids band to try and hook up with a 13 year old and is also obsessed with "helping" 10-12 year old girls with tampons/pads. On top of that he's obsessed with seeing women naked in the gym, is a racist asshole(even making out that immigrants weren't as clean as him) and has gone after anyone who is slighty critical of him with stupid lawsuits.

I suspect you may be getting to nub of why business are turning (him/her??) away....if someone was a compo risk i wouldnt blame anyone for not dealing with em

Glass fused light

alchemist33 wrote: »

In that case I'll blame the Times just as much for giving it prominence. "Crank goes to court" was usually just good for a short article, but add in a trans element and now it's controversy gold.

Remember the cake that cost half a million?


This is the exact same thing

This has been building for years the person filed 16 cases on the basis of gender discrimination

Asian women who don't do male waxing; the current women all have religeous beliefs that prohibit them having intimate contact with males other that their husbands.

They received initial contact saying it was for a woman who may be on their period when the waxing was being done
when they pointed out that the person looked like a man they were eventually told that it was a trans woman looking for the service and they had no right to refuse.


This person has a long history of posting about how to contact 10 yr old girls th help them with tampons and pads
Point this out was ignored calling them "he" resulted in a twitter ban

Dante7

_blaaz wrote: »

I suspect you may be getting to nub of why business are turning (him/her??) away....if someone was a compo risk i wouldnt blame anyone for not dealing with em

He was turned away because the women didn't want to touch his penis and balls. This is the inevitable outcome of gender self-id and the Trans women are women mantra. Women have been warning that abusive males will use this to target women, but they have been shouted down as terfs and transphobes.

Glass fused light

Links


https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bchrt/doc/2019/2019bchrt106/2019bchrt106.html?autocompleteStr=17587&autocompletePos=1



https://mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1147956860458110976?s=19

Try kiwifarms and the name or #waxmyballs

Glass fused light

Double post

mad muffin

alchemist33 wrote: »

Yet another "fringe" (see what I did there?) case by a wacky individual pounced upon by a rightwing website to warn us all of the imminent demise of society. The person here isn't representative of trans people and the case isn't representative of anything. It should be reported as a one-paragraph story on the internet equivalent of page 17.

I have to disagree with you. It’s representative of everything that is wrong with society today. This person should not be able to do this and should not be able to harass and threaten women. Should not be able to waist the laws time. Should not be able to do what ever they want without any consequences.

If I went out and asked women to give me a Brazilian and then start threatening them because they refuse, I’d be arrested.

Hobosan

Old media are desperate. They need something which will generate interest until another war comes along, which is always good business for them.

They just put out the bait and not only do people take it, but attention whores like this will happily oblige them with manufactured stories.


Nobody can resist looking at the car crash.

mad muffin

Hobosan wrote: »

Old media are desperate. They need something which will generate interest until another war comes along, which is always good business for them.

They just put out the bait and not only do people take it, but attention whores like this will happily oblige them with manufactured stories.


Nobody can resist looking at the car crash.

You don’t think someone like that needs to be called out? Everything is fine and dandy in what they are doing?

Am I allowed say these days that I don't think that person is a woman.

Glass fused light

Naydy wrote: »

She is not someone representative of transgender people and should not be held up as such. I think it's awful that there will likely be an outpouring of ignorant comments towards transgender people in general from this. Transgender women have already come out to roundly condemn her behaviour online and rightly so.

sorry to be harsh about it but as Canada has accepted that she is transgendered
She herself has tweeted that this is her fighting for the rights of trans women.

That trans women should have the exact same rights as biological woman including the right to have their genitalia waxed irrespective of it being a penis.

And I have seen a lot of trans activists try to deny that she is a trans person including trans women
That it was transphobia to call it a case about transgender rights
And to pull out the Biggot and "TERF" slur.

Women have been saying that there has to be a discussion about how to deal with self ID and how can be abused by people; trans men keeping their ladydicks, not taking hormones and with no intention of doing so; only to be told that they should be killed for having an opinion on how to safegard themselves and children.

Trans is being used as a magic wand to cover bad behaviour and to undermine safeguarding. The UK Girl Guides actually decided that to be a trans friendly space they should let in trans girls (boys) in and trans women in as leaders.
This is in with girls for sleepover camps with out telling the parents or providing sex segrated spaces. If the Boy Scouts tried that there would have been a media outcry about not learning from passed lessons.

Yes there are Gay and Trans people objecting but the ones in high visibility position appear the be either in hiding or calling people names.

Hobosan

mad muffin wrote: »

You don’t think someone like that needs to be called out? Everything is fi e and dandy in what they are doing?

Yes people like that need to be called out. No, what they are doing is not fine and dandy.

Large media companies have no interest in curtailing this, in fact they are complicit. They seek attention at all costs, just like the person with hairy balls.

wellwhynot

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I allowed say these days that I don't think that person is a woman.

I don’t think you are. Even though our eyes/brain see a man.

mad muffin

Hobosan wrote: »

Yes people like that need to be called out. No, what they are doing is not fine and dandy.

So then the article is valid.

drunkmonkey

Hobosan wrote: »

Old media are desperate. They need something which will generate interest until another war comes along, which is always good business for them.

They just put out the bait and not only do people take it, but attention whores like this will happily oblige them with manufactured stories.


Nobody can resist looking at the car crash.

We live in a country that allows your to change from the sex your born and get a passport that acknowledges your new chosen sex.
This can and probably will happen here. She identifies as a female under our laws you must respect that and so must anyone in business or they face prosecution.
It is not a manufactured story. It's a car crash alright with women in the passenger seat, there the only losers in all this.

This is very on trend human rights issue, nothing to do with old media.

lawred2

Forcing someone to interact with genitalia that doesn't make them comfortable isn't very nice really

Glass fused light

_blaaz wrote: »

I would imagine management have right to refuse business for any reason?


(Plus id imagine this would be painful beyond belief :eek: )

No not if covered by legal protection

If person like that could get a gender cert here or any "reasonable" person looking for a service only provided to the other sex could bring a case on something similar (personal contact like beauty treatments are excluded under out equity legistation).

Sonny noggs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I allowed say these days that I don't think that person is a woman.

Stop being transphobic.

_blaaz

Glass fused light wrote: »

(personal contact like beauty treatments are excluded under out equity legistation).

I hate to be pedantic...but deos this mean beauty treatments can be forced through??



But i do think a business should be allowed cite a risk.of being sued as a valid reason to turn away business.....i know where i used work,boss turned away customers who were known to sue over petty things regularly,didnt want hassle

Donald Trump

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ricky Gervais has jumped in to help..

Am not on the oul' twitter, but if it hasn't already been done, can someone tweet Gervais back and just say that the obvious solution would just be to use the same beautician that his oul' wan uses

SlowBlowin

Glass fused light wrote: »

Trans is being used as a magic wand to cover bad behaviour and to undermine safeguarding. The UK Girl Guides actually decided that to be a trans friendly space they should let in trans girls (boys) in and trans women in as leaders.
This is in with girls for sleepover camps with out telling the parents or providing sex segrated spaces. If the Boy Scouts tried that there would have been a media outcry about not learning from passed lessons.

Yes there are Gay and Trans people objecting but the ones in high visibility position appear the be either in hiding or calling people names.

In the UK worked in a software company with a Trans Scout leader, they regularly did overnight camping with boys. The UK Scouts are very pro Trans now. At one point (at the start) they got my colleague removed, but after a tribunal they were reinstated.

Glass fused light

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We live in a country that allows your to change from the sex your born and get a passport that acknowledges your new chosen sex.
This can and probably will happen here. She identifies as a female under our laws you must respect that and so must anyone in business or they face prosecution.
It is not a manufactured story. It's a car crash alright with women in the passenger seat, there the only losers in all this.

This is very on trend human rights issue, nothing to do with old media.

At least here the person has to go through a legal process and the State has built in some safeguards.

In Canada she was still living a duel life and was allowed to redact her female name of the court documents claiming that outing herself as Trans would have a negative impact on her business. But she apparently admitted under oath that all her client and family were aware that she was Trans

This was one of the reasons the judge removed the reporting block on her name and and information which would directly ID her.

She was self IDing and could have continued to do so without getting any official paperwork

The big media scandal is that none of the Canadian press turned up for the hearing.
Imagine if the Belfast cake case was going on and none of the media could even be bothered to send an intern to take notes
How many reporters were there writing about baking a cake on day 1 v having to wax a mans balls on day3?

Glass fused light

SlowBlowin wrote: »

In the UK worked in a software company with a Trans Scout leader, they regularly did overnight camping with boys. The UK Scouts are very pro Trans now. At one point (at the start) they got my colleague removed, but after a tribunal they were reinstated.

Were there proper safeguarding put in place to protect them as a leader as well as the children the were supervising?

The women who objected were pushed out. They were expected to safegard teenagers, because a trans girl still has a teen boys body and can be sexually attracted to girls, while pretending that the risks were not being properly assessed.

peddlelies

Worth a listen if you got 30 minutes free

Hobosan

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This is very on trend human rights issue, nothing to do with old media.

I don't see it that way personally. Old media set the trends, or at the very least in this case, they perpetually push narratives that convince enough crazies that such people be pandered to, and we end up with situations like this.

I'm not saying they orchestrated this madness, but they have a part to play all the same. They know well that this type of story sells, and they are fighting for survival, so forgive me if I suspect that companies that push for unpopular wars might have few scruples about pushing this nonsense.

There are individual youtubers whose live streams attract more viewers than CNN broadcasts. Old media are desperate.

Glass fused light

Seriously don't say it on twitter
She is a serious stalker and if she did not get you a ban and dox you someone else will try to

SlowBlowin

Glass fused light wrote: »

Were there proper safeguarding put in place to protect them as a leader as well as the children the were supervising?

The women who objected were pushed out. They were expected to safegard teenagers, because a trans girl still has a teen boys body and can be sexually attracted to girls, while pretending that the risks were not being properly assessed.

My ex-colleague is a pretty tough cookie, we don't stay in contact so no idea how things are now, but I think there must have been support otherwise the tribunal would not have found as it did.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Glass fused light wrote: »

At least here the person has to go through a legal process and the State has built in some safeguards.

There’s not much impediment to self identification here. In fact during the readings in the dail the parliament took most impediments out.