Brian Cowen unwell

splinter65 · 11-07-2019 06:52AM

holyhead wrote: »

Brian Cowen certainly inherited a poison chalice. One it could be argued he help create. I think it was merciful for Cowen that his tenure as Taoiseach was short. He seemed to be floundering and blustering and not one who would inspire his country to rise out of recession. He is relatively speaking a young man so a brain hem is a devastating situation for him and his family. However it is at this point that I truly get angry.
He will be the recipient of the best health care the country can offer. You can bet your dollar that he won't be on a trolley on a hospital corridor. Yet Mary on social from Killinarden will probably experience the complete opposite to the care Cowen is afforded. Why because he is rich and a famous politician? It's sickening. For the record no one should have to be left on a hospital trolley on a corridor. Everyone should be entitled to the best health care possibility the country can offer it's citizens.

You think people having suffered catastrophic medical events are left in corridors on trolleys?

holyhead · 11-07-2019 08:52AM

splinter65 wrote: »

You think people having suffered catastrophic medical events are left in corridors on trolleys?

Nobody should be left on a trolley but no matter what Cowen wouldn't be left on trolley on a corridor.

Kidchameleon · 11-07-2019 09:26AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Kidchameleon has accused posters who decline to join in the tearing apart as having no “balls”.

What are you talking about? I never asked anyone to tear anybody apart. I said people should not be so offended by posts that are critical of the man, thats all.

splinter65 · 11-07-2019 10:21AM

holyhead wrote: »

Nobody should be left on a trolley but no matter what Cowen wouldn't be left on trolley on a corridor.

Nobody having a catastrophic medical incident is left on a trolley. Ever.

odyssey06 · 11-07-2019 10:27AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Nobody having a catastrophic medical incident is left on a trolley. Ever.

A man died from a cardiac arrest after spending almost 10 hours on a trolley in the emergency department of one of the country’s busiest hospitals, an inquest heard.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-trolley-for-10-hours-died-of-heart-attack-428956.html

We await your retraction.

Gael23 · 11-07-2019 10:36AM

What I do think is wrong is that Tullamore Hospital obviously wasn’t good enough for him. He was taken to one of the country’s leading private hospitals

Kidchameleon · 11-07-2019 12:21PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What I do think is wrong is that Tullamore Hospital obviously wasn’t good enough for him. He was taken to one of the country’s leading private hospitals

Whats wrong with that if he can afford it? Would you rather Ireland was communist?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 11-07-2019 01:56PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What I do think is wrong is that Tullamore Hospital obviously wasn’t good enough for him. He was taken to one of the country’s leading private hospitals

Tullamore hospital is an amazing hospital, and we’re lucky that it has amazing staff. Considering he was nowhere near Tullamore when he fell ill, it’s hardly surprising that he wasn’t brought there. Tullamore was certainly good enough for his mother, she was an inpatient on the same ward as my own mother while he was minister for health.
It wouldn’t be unusual, even though tullamore is a new, well equipped hospital, to transfer seriously ill patients to more specialist units in Dublin. AFAIU he is not currently in a private hospital.

kunst nugget · 11-07-2019 02:05PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

A man died from a cardiac arrest after spending almost 10 hours on a trolley in the emergency department of one of the country’s busiest hospitals, an inquest heard.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-trolley-for-10-hours-died-of-heart-attack-428956.html

We await your retraction.

According to the inquest, he didn't show signs of a catastrophic medical event and the SHO that diagnosed him didn't think he met the requirements for an emergency cardiogram at the time. They seemed to have him stabilised before his heart literally just stopped. I'm not sure how that proves your man wrong.

Ursus Horribilis · 11-07-2019 02:06PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What I do think is wrong is that Tullamore Hospital obviously wasn’t good enough for him. He was taken to one of the country’s leading private hospitals

1. With a serious illness like what he has, he'd probably have been rushed to Dublin anyway.

2 Many people in this country have health insurance so going to a private hospital isn't that unusual.

You'd probably be carping on about him being a bed blocker if he was in a public ward.

odyssey06 · 11-07-2019 02:12PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

1. With a serious illness like what he has, he'd probably have been rushed to Dublin anyway.
2 Many people in this country have health insurance so going to a private hospital isn't that unusual.

It is rather unusual for an acute urgent medical condition requiring A&E level facility. They don't have even 24 hours opening for admissions:
https://www.beaconhospital.ie/emergency-department/

Your average LAYA or VHI plan doesn't really cover it.
It's a totally different level of cover to the more typical uses of health insurance for consultant access, elective surgery, scheduled tests.

odyssey06 · 11-07-2019 04:12PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

According to the inquest, he didn't show signs of a catastrophic medical event and the SHO that diagnosed him didn't think he met the requirements for an emergency cardiogram at the time. They seemed to have him stabilised before his heart literally just stopped. I'm not sure how that proves your man wrong.

He suffered a catastrophic medical event on a trolley and died.
He was a priority patient and should have been admitted to a cardiac ward.
Maybe it would not have saved his life, but he should not have been on a trolley.

Here are more examples of dying patients being left on trolleys:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dying-man-left-hospital-trolley-7038454
https://extra.ie/2018/02/13/lifestyle/health/dying-man-donegal-trolley-24-hours

odyssey06 · 11-07-2019 04:14PM

Issac Repulsive Gap wrote: »

It wouldn’t be unusual, even though tullamore is a new, well equipped hospital, to transfer seriously ill patients to more specialist units in Dublin. AFAIU he is not currently in a private hospital.

The former Fianna Fáil leader is in intensive care in a private hospital after taking ill.
https://www.thejournal.ie/brian-cowen-hospitalised-4712183-Jul2019/

Do you have more up to date information?

splinter65 · 11-07-2019 04:40PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

A man died from a cardiac arrest after spending almost 10 hours on a trolley in the emergency department of one of the country’s busiest hospitals, an inquest heard.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-trolley-for-10-hours-died-of-heart-attack-428956.html

We await your retraction.

There’s no need for a retraction. He wasn’t having a heart attack when he was admitted.
He was neglected all right. But he just had angina when he was admitted.

Gael23 · 11-07-2019 05:35PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

1. With a serious illness like what he has, he'd probably have been rushed to Dublin anyway.

You'd probably be carping on about him being a bed blocker if he was in a public ward.

He could have gone into a Public ward in Beaumont which is an excellent Nuerological centre. Why to one of the country top private hospitals.

Stinks of elitism

paleoperson · 11-07-2019 05:46PM

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s no need for a retraction. He wasn’t having a heart attack when he was admitted.
He was neglected all right. But he just had angina when he was admitted.

How was he neglected though? He was under constant observation.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 11-07-2019 08:20PM

Gael23 wrote: »

He could have gone into a Public ward in Beaumont which is an excellent Nuerological centre. Why to one of the country top private hospitals.

Stinks of elitism

Well excuse the **** out of the cowens for making sure their family member received the best care they could, without first taking into consideration the perpetually offended.

Hope you never call an ambulance when you can take a taxi

Gael23 · 11-07-2019 09:17PM

Issac Repulsive Gap wrote: »

Well excuse the **** out of the cowens for making sure their family member received the best care they could, without first taking into consideration the perpetually offended.

Hope you never call an ambulance when you can take a taxi

Spare a thought for the hard grafter working to pay his pension who has to make do with the public system

paleoperson · 11-07-2019 10:11PM

Issac Repulsive Gap wrote: »

Well excuse the **** out of the cowens for making sure their family member received the best care they could, without first taking into consideration the perpetually offended.

Hope you never call an ambulance when you can take a taxi

What are you talking about?

He is making the point than Cowen is getting special treatment. That's not considered taking "offence", it's just stating that someone is getting more than they deserve. And it's quite a reasonable point whether you agree with it or not. Not every time someone is complaining about injustice are they considered "offended".

In no way does this match the description of someone being "offended", much less "perpetually offended". Being "offended" means something was said about you, not that you're being robbed or that some grave injustice is taking place.

holyhead · 11-07-2019 10:16PM

Issac Repulsive Gap wrote: »

Well excuse the **** out of the cowens for making sure their family member received the best care they could, without first taking into consideration the perpetually offended.

Hope you never call an ambulance when you can take a taxi

Your missing the point which is essentially that we have a two tier health system in this country. Money dictates the level of care you can get. Health is not a commodity. The state clearly does not cherish all the children of the nation equally.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 11-07-2019 10:25PM

holyhead wrote: »

Your missing the point which is essentially that we have a two tier health system in this country. Money dictates the level of care you can get. Health is not a commodity. The state clearly does not cherish all the children of the nation equally.

It certainly does. Don’t work, contribute nothing get free health care. Work, pay your way, get nothing.

Graham · 11-07-2019 11:00PM

Gael23 wrote: »

He could have gone into a Public ward in Beaumont which is an excellent Nuerological centre. Why to one of the country top private hospitals.

Stinks of elitism

You'd have been happier had he taken up some of the HSE resources?

Don't see the logic there to be honest.

Spanish Eyes · 11-07-2019 11:09PM

Graham wrote: »

You'd have been happier had he taken up some of the HSE resources?

Don't see the logic there to be honest.

The truth of the matter is, if you have a crisis you are led into Public Hospital A+E by ambulance whether you have top of the range private insurance or not.

Can some people by pass this?

Graham · 11-07-2019 11:10PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can some people by pass this?

Not to my knowledge.

Gael23 · 11-07-2019 11:22PM

Graham wrote: »

You'd have been happier had he taken up some of the HSE resources?

Don't see the logic there to be honest.

I’d be happier he received the same treatment the ordinary person gets on a public ward in a HSE funded hospital instead of one of the best hospitals in the state

Graham · 11-07-2019 11:29PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I’d be happier he received the same treatment the ordinary person gets on a public ward in a HSE funded hospital instead of one of the best hospitals in the state

So yes, you would rather see someone use HSE resources even though might not need to.

I would have assumed you'd rather see those same resources used by that "hard grafter working to pay his pension".

That would rather suggest your issue isn't really anything to do with healthcare.

blanch152 · 11-07-2019 11:53PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What I do think is wrong is that Tullamore Hospital obviously wasn’t good enough for him. He was taken to one of the country’s leading private hospitals

Tullamore hospital should have been closed decades ago, along with a heap of other hospitals in the midlands.

The biggest problem with healthcare in this country is too many small hospitals.

Ursus Horribilis · 12-07-2019 02:37PM

Nonsense. Tullamore hospital isn't small. According to its website it has 195 inpatient beds and has a floor area of 27,500 square metres. It serves 4+ counties.

branie2 · 12-07-2019 02:49PM

That's very big!

Allinall · 12-07-2019 04:08PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I’d be happier he received the same treatment the ordinary person gets on a public ward in a HSE funded hospital instead of one of the best hospitals in the state

Who do you think should receive treatment in one of the best hospitals in the state?

Brian Cowen unwell

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