Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

tuxy wrote: »

He really went out of his way to show his face on camera. Moves fast enough for a big lad!

Was he trying to start a Mexican wave?

Looks like the SkiFree monster on holidays.

I had almost a re-run of an incident I had a few weeks ago this evening, only last time the offender was white van woman. This time it was an unaccompanied learner in a Micra.

I passed through the junction at Doyle's corner in Phibsborough, inbound towards Constitution Hill. There's cars in the cycle lane, as usual, and a queue of traffic on the other side of the road so no room to pass safely. I take the lane for all of ten seconds. Rev, rev, unaccompanied L driver in Micra sitting on my wheel, beep. I move in seconds later and gesture him on with all the sarcasm I can muster. He shouts something about "the middle of the road." He actually sounded like he was about to cry to be honest. I told him which direction to fornicate in and to keep moving.

It seemed to work. He left me room to pass despite gingerly pulling into the cycle lane at the queue for the next set of lights (seemed unsure where to position his car when there was a bus ahead turning right) and then stayed behind me like a good boy until I left him far behind. If he hadn't, he was going to get an invite for a free driving lesson in Bridewell Garda Station at the bottom of the road.

micar wrote: »

Might be unfit but he's a lot of weight behind him.

He's easily squash me.

Many, many years ago, I had my first ever serious clash with a driver, somewhere round Islandbridge, long before the bypass was built. He tried to push through coming through some roadworks, I scared him off with my frame fitting pump. I didn't notice that he pulled in up ahead, and stepped out and dragged me off the bike. I swore to myself that if it ever happened again, I'd just ride into the fecker. If you're going to come off the bike, you might as well use him for cushioning.



I got 500 quid off him with a solicitor's letter a few months later.

work wrote: »

PLEASE report to the Garda, perhaps a legal person can advise on the complaint.....intimidation, dangerous driving, attempted assault etc....But I would like to see what the Garda would do with this.

Perhaps a cycling group could look at streamlining these kind of issues to get some proper peosecutions!

Do you not think it was tit for tat. OP called him a rude name. Driver jumped out of his car and waved his fat belly at him.

work wrote: »

PLEASE report to the Garda, perhaps a legal person can advise on the complaint.....intimidation, dangerous driving, attempted assault etc....But I would like to see what the Garda would do with this.

Perhaps a cycling group could look at streamlining these kind of issues to get some proper peosecutions!

If the cyclist does take it to the Gardai, he'll get warned about possible prosecution for a public order offence - given the initial outburst.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If the cyclist does take it to the Gardai, he'll get warned about possible prosecution for a public order offence - given the initial outburst.

It seems a fair response to someone driving their car into you shouting "get out of the way".

CramCycle wrote: »

there is one other I cannot remember right now

Flagman?

CramCycle wrote: »

His was not the initial outburst though, the car was beeping on red, driving in the wrong traffic lane, using intimidating behaviour and trying to control traffic, a job for only gardai, lollipop people and farmers moving animals (there is one ohere I cannot remember right now). Attempted assault when he veered the car, threatening behaviour, attempted physical assault, verbal assault.

The poster has a possible public order offence in the middle, not at the start of all that, which was clearly provoked.

No, I think you got them all.

This goes back to to the making cycling safer thread. There should be zero tolerance for this behaviour. People who act like this are not capable of responsibly exercising the privilege of driving a car. 5+ points or an instant driving ban

smacl wrote: »

Yep, while also performing an illegal undertaking manoeuvre, given they were in the wrong lane, putting the cyclist in danger.

Not to mention the 3 or 4 other cyclists in front of him. Part of me thinks that he would have been a lot more dangerous if the poster hadn't distracted him and slowed him down. He probably would have bulldozed his way through between the 2 forward cyclists at high speed, regardless of risk.

CramCycle wrote: »

His was not the initial outburst though, the car was beeping on red, driving in the wrong traffic lane, using intimidating behaviour and trying to control traffic, a job for only gardai, lollipop people and farmers moving animals (there is one ohere I cannot remember right now). Attempted assault when he veered the car, threatening behaviour, attempted physical assault, verbal assault.

The poster has a possible public order offence in the middle, not at the start of all that, which was clearly provoked.

Unfolds standard response: "Look, it's your word against theirs."
-"But the video shows everything"
-"It's not a dashcam, therefore, GDPR *mumble mumble*..."
-"I'm sorry, GDPR what?"
-*places fingers in ears* "....na-na-na-na-na I CAN'T HEAR YOU! THE DOOR'S OVER THERE"

check_six wrote: »

Unfolds standard response: "Look, it's your word against theirs."
-"But the video shows everything"
-"It's not a dashcam, therefore, GDPR *mumble mumble*..."
-"I'm sorry, GDPR what?"
-*places fingers in ears* "....na-na-na-na-na I CAN'T HEAR YOU! THE DOOR'S OVER THERE"

Exactly. My last incident was mobile phone use, threatening behaviour, holding up traffic to shout at me, pulling in abruptly across and onto a cycle track and footpath, more threatening behaviour, back in his car when I wasn’t taking the bait, followed by getting back out of his car for another shot when I attempted to continue on, but eventually giving up. All on camera.

First Garda seemed useful, interested. But then it was “His word against mine” attitude, driver doesn’t live in my district, etc.

Email to traffic corps head office to get opinion. Raised to sergeant. A cycling sergeant. Lots of interest. Accepted usb of footage. Had trouble tracking driver but would let me know when he does and he would be cautioned.

Radio silence since. We really do have it stacked against us. Road tax, blah blah blah.

It's really depressing and infuriating. I'm probably going to give up cycling, after decades spent commuting. After my most recent collision two weeks ago (third in 14 years, none my fault), my wife has had enough and I'm beginning to agree with her. Off the bike at present due to that injury, probably won't get back on it. It's just not safe out there. "10% of transport budget"? I'll believe it when I see it - or else it'll probably just be thousands of gallons of paint for more white lines that are completely ignored.