Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

john boye · 01-07-2019 07:05PM

tabbey wrote: »

It is also because so many routes use the same stops that people cannot form one queue.

Yes that's what I meant by overcrowded stops. Probably could have been clearer.

CramCycle · 02-07-2019 11:42AM

I remember the bus drivers refusing entry onto the bus for anyone who wasn't in the queue, they either went to the back or were not allowed on. It was also a source of glee when they caught queue jumpers.

XPS_Zero · 02-07-2019 12:28PM

Being devils advocate, what difference does a que v a scrum make? Everyones going to get on the bus (outside rush hour) anyway?

Patrick2010 · 02-07-2019 12:37PM

At the bus stop nearest the Mercantile bar in Dame street half the people queue at the bus stop, the rest either stand behind the real time display pole or stand against the wall. So when the bus does arrive people are trying to get on from different angles.

Muller1991 · 02-07-2019 01:10PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

At the bus stop nearest the Mercantile bar in Dame street half the people queue at the bus stop, the rest either stand behind the real time display pole or stand against the wall. So when the bus does arrive people are trying to get on from different angles.

Its the exact same outside the stops at Abercrombie and Fitch and then outside the old Ulster bank on College Green. If your ever waiting in a 77A between 5 and half 6 in the evening its a scrum to try and get on board.

tabbey · 02-07-2019 02:30PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

At the bus stop nearest the Mercantile bar in Dame street half the people queue at the bus stop, the rest either stand behind the real time display pole or stand against the wall. So when the bus does arrive people are trying to get on from different angles.

It is also difficult now because we need two lines boarding a bus, most people on the right using the Leap card reader for longer journeys, the one on the left for shorter (lower fare) journeys and cash payers.

Muller1991 · 02-07-2019 03:18PM

Spotted the Single decker Learning Bus Go Ahead have around a few Tallaght Estates today Is there a new route ?

Stephen15 · 03-07-2019 04:28PM

Muller1991 wrote: »

Spotted the Single decker Learning Bus Go Ahead have around a few Tallaght Estates today Is there a new route ?

I highly doubt they seem to train in many different places around the city. Tallaght probably handy for them due to it's proximity to Ballymount.

Here we go · 04-07-2019 10:28AM

devnull wrote: »

GoAhead do not set the fares and they do not keep money from the fares, they are paid a set fee from the NTA and this is the model that Dublin Bus will be moving to in the near future as well.

From my under standing GAI are paid per kilometer driven with penalty’s for no service or being late or early With in 5 mins this means controllers are more likly to pull you if early and ask you to pull over but also they won’t pull a service even if you driving 2,3 busses in line in both directions as a late bus makes more from them then a cancelled bus also more likly to ask you to go out on shorter breaks if started break late. On existing routes no they do not keep fave box but two of the new ashbourne routes will have a new way fare system which accepts debit card like there us system GAI are to keep fares form those busses at least I’m told this

Here we go · 04-07-2019 10:31AM

Stephen15 wrote: »

I highly doubt they seem to train in many different places around the city. Tallaght probably handy for them due to it's proximity to Ballymount.

First time drivers are brought to tallaght they do loops around city west and when instructor feels they have a feel of how to drive they bring them a little further and so on

ninebeanrows · 04-07-2019 10:03PM

The 102 route is an absolute disaster. I have a feeling because lots of students and tourists use it complaints are less than should be.

The single decker on the route is an insult to the community and a serious health hazard. I really wonder who ordered these buses? When you are crammed into the back of the bus standing because the bus is overcrowded- how do you get off at your stop?

How can a single decker bus run on this route in summer traffic with malahide and portmarnock beach popular spots.

Was any thought put into the summer scheduling at all?

The bus is almost unuseable outside of off peak times. Dont even think about it between 1 and 7pm

Surely they can put the feckin double deckers back on it or are the drivers not qualified?

XPS_Zero · 04-07-2019 10:12PM

I thought that DB got rid of the single deckers because they realized that doubles use nearly the same fuel, and driver cost is the same, so it's better to have the extra capacity?

Who decided what type of busses to buy? NTA yeh?

punisher5112 · 04-07-2019 10:13PM

Nta makes all the brilliant decisions...

L1011 · 04-07-2019 10:18PM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

I thought that DB got rid of the single deckers because they realized that doubles use nearly the same fuel, and driver cost is the same

Singles are vastly cheaper to buy and can be bought as EVs (not that we have yet) though.

The UK and Ireland (and Hong Kong) near universal use of doubles is an international oddity really - otherwise they're used on city streets that both need the capacity and can't handle artics.

There should be routes that are quieter in summer without schools that can take singles to release doubles for summer peak routes. I can remember the 66 getting singles at quiet times even!

devnull · 04-07-2019 10:20PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nta makes all the brilliant decisions...

It has been commented in a few places that the passenger figures that the NTA used to determine what routes got single deckers were based on data from when those routes were run by Dublin Bus.

If that is the case, then either the data supplied by Dublin Bus was inaccurate and under reported passenger numbers, or there were a lot of passengers who were traveling on those services without paying or validating their ticket.

The Streetlite is a lightweight, economical vehicle with excellent fuel consumption as that's what it's designed to do. It's a fair bit cheaper to run than a full double decker which weighs a huge amount more and therefore is more fuel hungry.

Stephen15 · 04-07-2019 10:30PM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

I thought that DB got rid of the single deckers because they realized that doubles use nearly the same fuel, and driver cost is the same, so it's better to have the extra capacity?

Who decided what type of busses to buy? NTA yeh?

When DB were cutting back the fleet during the recession the single decker buses were the first to go. It was a wise decision at the time as a reduced fleet size would mean a reduction in capacity and single deckers carried less capacity so keeping them would've lead to capacity problems. The routes that they were allocated like the 123 which had a fairly decent was a problem while routes with fewer passengers got double deckers.

The single deckers they had at the time were also not much better on fuel as it was a time before buses were designed with the aim of minimising fuel consumption. The Streetlite is designed to really minimise fuel consumption as much as possible with it's lightweight build and small engine also the case with newer double deckers too like the SG to a lesser extent.

The single deckers DB had in the past were not designed to minimise fuel consumption and hence used a similar amount to a double decker.

Stephen15 · 04-07-2019 10:44PM

devnull wrote: »

It has been commented in a few places that the passenger figures that the NTA used to determine what routes got single deckers were based on data from when those routes were run by Dublin Bus.

If that is the case, then either the data supplied by Dublin Bus was inaccurate and under reported passenger numbers, or there were a lot of passengers who were traveling on those services without paying or validating their ticket.

I get the impression that the NTA gave GAI a list of routes where they are permitted to use single deckers on but they are allowed to choose which routes to put single deckers and which routes to put double decker buses on based on their operational requirements or at least GAI negotiated that.

The 102 probably just about met that category. This is due to GAIs policy inter working routes meaning that one bus can operate a number of routes over the course of the day. For example the 102 is interworked with the 33A and 33B both of which are perfectly suitable for single decker buses but not the 102.

Over on the Southside the 63 and 114 I would say met the NTA passenger volume measurements to allow single deckers but both are interworked with higher capacity routes which do require double deckers the 63 is interworked with the 75 and the 114 is interworked with the 17.

Patrick2010 · 05-07-2019 10:26AM

I saw single deckers on the 17 route recently.

Stephen15 · 05-07-2019 08:01PM

NTA should allowed them run extra 75s and 175s today. Was in DL today and massive queues for the 75 to go to Longitude. Saw a bus displaying Bus Full which must be something new on the displays for GAI buses assume it was a 75 and it was packed with young people. Should be more buses running if available.

john boye · 05-07-2019 09:34PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

NTA should allowed them run extra 75s and 175s today. Was in DL today and massive queues for the 75 to go to Longitude. Saw a bus displaying Bus Full which must be something new on the displays for GAI buses assume it was a 75 and it was packed with young people. Should be more buses running if available.

Saw the same display on an 18 in Ballsbridge a few weeks ago when Leinster were playing.

ax586 · 06-07-2019 11:43AM

Stephen15 wrote: »

NTA should allowed them run extra 75s and 175s today. Was in DL today and massive queues for the 75 to go to Longitude. Saw a bus displaying Bus Full which must be something new on the displays for GAI buses assume it was a 75 and it was packed with young people. Should be more buses running if available.

There was no spare buses and you would need drivers aswel plus it doesn't help.when one of the buses got its upstairs ceiling damaged on the 175 yesterday evening that of the road now and 3 others taking off the road to get cleaned because of vomit

LastStop · 06-07-2019 12:05PM

ax586 wrote: »

There was no spare buses and you would need drivers aswel plus it doesn't help.when one of the buses got its upstairs ceiling damaged on the 175 yesterday evening that of the road now and 3 others taking off the road to get cleaned because of vomit

Temp contract agency drivers for those days?

Stephen15 · 06-07-2019 12:15PM

Could just use private bus operators with ex DB buses to run shuttles between DL and Tallaght to Marlay Park and discourage use of the 75. Apparently Longitude is supposed to be moving to Malahide Castle next year.

punisher5112 · 06-07-2019 03:30PM

db vehicles were destroyed also. Puke everywhere and all over the streets...
Kids everywhere been an absolute pain.

AlekSmart · 06-07-2019 05:37PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

db vehicles were destroyed also. Puke everywhere and all over the streets...
Kids everywhere been an absolute pain.

So...Mr Trumps people were correct...?....perhaps just not quite how they meant it.???

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-embassy-warns-citizens-against-attending-longitude-festival-1.3947961

ninebeanrows · 09-07-2019 01:30PM

The situation on the 102 must be a running joke!

Single deckers in high season with 100s of students , holidaymakers

The buses are over run and unusable.

What a shambles

Dravokivich · 09-07-2019 03:13PM

LastStop wrote: »

Temp contract agency drivers for those days?

If that was available, why wouldn't they do that while trying to fill their driver shortages?

LastStop · 09-07-2019 07:34PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

If that was available, why wouldn't they do that while trying to fill their driver shortages?

unions?

SG317 · 09-07-2019 07:46PM

Does Go Ahead park their Streetlites, in the red car park at the Airport? Saw 3 Streetlites parked there. Would explain why the route always has single deckers on it, eventhough they are not really suited for it.

Yer Da sells Avon · 09-07-2019 07:56PM

SG317 wrote: »

Does Go Ahead park their Streetlites, in the red car park at the Airport? Saw 3 Streetlites parked there. Would explain why the route always has single deckers on it, eventhough they are not really suited for it.

They have a small outstation at the airport now, so some buses are parked there overnight. If a route has single deckers on it, it's because the NTA insist that it must have single deckers. There is absolutely nothing that Go Ahead can do about that. They've tried, but the NTA are utter clowns who don't listen and cannot be reasoned with.

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