Changes in the GAA - super thread

ToBeFrank123 · 28-06-2019 04:49PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Just for the lads and laddies who don’t seem to understand the Super 8’s format. You play one game away, one game at home and one game in CP. it never mentions neutral venue. Just clearing that up for you. Hope it helps. AA

Of course it doesn't. The GAA, Dublin's best friend, would never entertain the idea that their beloved Dublin could be moved out of Croke Park. I'm surprised they don't want all 3 games in Croke Park.

gaffer91 · 28-06-2019 04:52PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Just for the lads and laddies who don’t seem to understand the Super 8’s format. You play one game away, one game at home and one game in CP. it never mentions neutral venue. Just clearing that up for you. Hope it helps. AA

Cop on to yourself. Croke Park is the de facto home stadium for the Dublin football team. Bear in mind they played every All ireland quarter/ semi and final there from 2011 to 2017.

ArielAtom · 28-06-2019 04:53PM

I suppose some people don’t like the truth. No amount of waffle can change the format.

ArielAtom · 28-06-2019 05:01PM

As I said, plain English seems to be a problem here with some folk.

ToBeFrank123 · 28-06-2019 05:01PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

I suppose some people don’t like the truth. No amount of waffle can change the format.

The format heavily favours Dublin though. There's no real surprise in that. Not only do Dublin have two home games to everyone else's one, their strength in depth means other teams will suffer injuries and fatigue while Dublin can rotate. The benefit of having a large pick of very well trained players.

We know Dublin are guaranteed to win Leinster every year.
The Super8s with two home games and strength in depth mean they are guaranteed to win their SUper8s group every year.
They then play a runner up which they are also guaranteed to win.
They then play a team in the AI final on home ground, a team who are tired after the Super8s. They are guaranteed to win that too.
And with all the GDF and GDAs they are guaranteed to get stronger.

We know Leinster is finished as a competition.

I have a feeling Sam Maguire is too.

The question is what next, probably Ladies GAA.

gaffer91 · 28-06-2019 05:03PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

I suppose some people don’t like the truth. No amount of waffle can change the format.

You realise you've written post after post of easily discredited nonsense (which you don't even try to defend when challenged which is quite telling) and then you give out about people not liking the truth and waffling. The irony.

Dublin are grossly overfunded relative to everyone else. They also have other advantages. This helps them to win All Ireland's unfairly.

The last 60 pages basically boil to this simple truth. You need to learn to accept it.

ArielAtom · 28-06-2019 05:10PM

I’m merely doing what every poster in here does and uses articles written by 3rd parties. There is no info in most posts, purely opinions. So I’ll take you criticism with a pinch of salt. Thanks.

doc_17 · 28-06-2019 07:38PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Teams having to play “neutral” matches in Croke Park against Dublin should get reduced tickets through their clubs to compensate for the increased cost of travel.

Do we do this for all counties and games, or just ones played in Croke Park?

Would Kerry get reduced tickets for a game in Cork vs Cork?

Cork and Kerry usually operate a rotation in Munster. The opening of Pairc Ui Caoimh has changed it this year but it’ll revert back again.

But don’t address the points made....just default to whataboutery.

Dublin apparently have a panel of 45 players training. Impossibly to sustain that in Donegal. And did someone mention they train twice a day? Is that collectively? That’s just something none of the rest of the teams can do.

ArielAtom · 28-06-2019 07:58PM

Apparently did someone mention whaboutery!!!!

doc_17 · 28-06-2019 08:41PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Apparently did someone mention whaboutery!!!!

Again, ignoring the points made

salmocab · 28-06-2019 08:56PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Again, ignoring the points made

I think he was more addressing that you said apparently Dublin have 45 training, something you obviously don’t know if it’s fact or not and then said did someone mention they train twice a day, again something you don’t know.

doc_17 · 28-06-2019 09:09PM

salmocab wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Again, ignoring the points made

I think he was more addressing that you said apparently Dublin have 45 training, something you obviously don’t know if it’s fact or not and then said did someone mention they train twice a day, again something you don’t know.

Thank you for clearing that up for him. He really does benefit from someone be coming in and giving him the support he needs. But then, he’s from Dublin. What else would anyone expect.

salmocab · 28-06-2019 09:13PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Thank you for clearing that up for him. He really does benefit from someone be coming in and giving him the support he needs. But then, he’s from Dublin. What else would anyone expect.

Ooh I see I’ll have to watch out for your rapier like wit.

doc_17 · 28-06-2019 11:57PM

It won’t be a problem for you as it’s not like you’re going to be troubling yourself making any sensible points at the same time on his behalf.

Beechwoodspark · 29-06-2019 02:51PM

Good to hear the issue discussed on news talk at moment.

They played Jim G’s disingenuous recent interview at the start. He goes on about great volunteers in Dublin and plays down the impact funding has.

That angered the panel. They rightly said that every county has great volunteers and it’s an insult to think otherwise. The idea that Dublin success is due to that, clearly is nonsense.

John Evans said just now “don’t cod yourself - It’s less money not more, that Dublin should be getting.”

“It’s very very unusual that the strongest county gets the most funding and resources.”

“The disparity is just too big at the moment.”

Allegations that Dublin clubs are actively trying to recruit players from around the country and put them up in apartments and get them jobs.

Allegations that other counties have pleaded with HQ for funding and all they get is the run around.

“We are not going to France to look at World War One graves - Dublin are on a different level altogether”

Jim G knows all this but ignores it. Wonder why that is....

doc_17 · 29-06-2019 05:47PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Good to hear the issue discussed on news talk at moment.

They played Jim G’s disingenuous recent interview at the start. He goes on about great volunteers in Dublin and plays down the impact funding has.

That angered the panel. They rightly said that every county has great volunteers and it’s an insult to think otherwise. The idea that Dublin success is due to that, clearly is nonsense.

John Evans said just now “don’t cod yourself - It’s less money not more, that Dublin should be getting.”

“It’s very very unusual that the strongest county gets the most funding and resources.”

“The disparity is just too big at the moment.”

Allegations that Dublin clubs are actively trying to recruit players from around the country and put them up in apartments and get them jobs.

Allegations that other counties have pleaded with HQ for funding and all they get is the run around.

“We are not going to France to look at World War One graves - Dublin are on a different level altogether”

Jim G knows all this but ignores it. Wonder why that is....

Yeah Jim G is wrong in saying that their volunteers are better than other counties have, if he did say that, but in fairness to him what else can he say there?

threeball · 29-06-2019 08:25PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Yeah Jim G is wrong in saying that their volunteers are better than other counties have, if he did say that, but in fairness to him what else can he say there?

Certainly don't criticise the volunteers in other counties anyway. Talk about kicking sand in their face. Gavin has a job keeping a straight face in half these interviews. He may have many good traits as a manager. Charisma isn't one of them.

Coillte_Bhoy · 30-06-2019 05:40PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

Cop on to yourself. Croke Park is the de facto home stadium for the Dublin football team. Bear in mind they played every All ireland quarter/ semi and final there from 2011 to 2017.

No denying Croke Park is home for Dublin and the huge advantage they have but there is nothing about neutral venues in the rules, Croke Park is specified

La Bamba · 02-07-2019 11:38AM

Hi all,

I posted this in the Dublin thread but was told it may derail the thread so I have decided to post it here instead.

Basically,I am just genuinely interested in getting Dublin fans perspective on MacKenna's article from this morning. Unfotunately when it comes to his articles I feel some people ( Non dubs included) see his name and Dublin being mentioned and roll their eyes at the headline and dont read the article.However, the points raised in this article worried me:

https://punditarena.com/gaa/emackenna/ewan-mackenna-monday-dublin-advantage/

To be clear, I am not attacking Dublin with this post. I would just like to get the perspectives of actual Dublin supporters of why you may disagree with points made in the particular article.

A lot of us talk to the same people and hear and read the same peoples opinions everyday so it is difficult for our opinions to change on anything.As a person from the country who would have a lot of friends who agree with MacKenna I am merely trying to get opinions and perspectives that may differ!. I usually try twitter for a discussion like this but in my opinion the level of debate has gone to the dogs and people tend to play the man not the ball so if I got some Dubliner perspectives on this article here I would appreciate it !

kilns · 02-07-2019 11:44AM

Havent read the article and dont intend to but just to warn you, do your research when Ewan quotes "facts" as a lot of the time they are complete lies or manipulated.

That does not just refer to his Dublin articles but other GAA articles, Tennis etc articles of his

Anyone who falsifies facts to fit their agenda is not worth entertaining

PhuckHugh22 · 02-07-2019 11:55AM

Id rather gouge my own eyes out than read the trash Ewan McKenna writes.

Squareball · 02-07-2019 11:57AM

What they said!

La Bamba · 02-07-2019 12:27PM

Thats disappointing, appreciate the feedback all the same as it does show that this echo chamber mindset is not an issue limited to twitter and facebook.

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-07-2019 12:42PM

He is getting great mileage out of writing the same article for the last year

shockframe · 02-07-2019 12:43PM

I've never seen a bag of money score a goal." - Johan Cruyff

Barlett · 02-07-2019 12:44PM

A lot of what Ewan says is true, the problem is the way he presents it and how strongly he feels about it. Some parts are written in a way that will wind Dublin supporters up and he can be over the top on it. But we need people like him in journalism, otherwise if we're all just agreeing with each other - what's the point?

La Bamba · 02-07-2019 12:46PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

He is getting great mileage out of writing the same article for the last year

Would there be anything in this particular article he has written that you would disagree with?

If so, would you mind elaborating on it? Cheers!

Happyilylost · 02-07-2019 01:02PM

La Bamba wrote:

Would there be anything in this particular article he has written that you would disagree with?

La Bamba wrote:

If so, would you mind elaborating on it? Cheers!

I had a bit of back and forth on Twitter with the lovely lad and I simply asked him to give me some information on his "elite" player development theory starting off in primary school. He blocked me after three tweets. Hard to have a debate with the lad when he has no problem putting out initial facts and figures but when challenged he shuts up shop.

kilns · 02-07-2019 01:05PM

Barlett wrote: »

A lot of what Ewan says is true, the problem is the way he presents it and how strongly he feels about it. Some parts are written in a way that will wind Dublin supporters up and he can be over the top on it. But we need people like him in journalism, otherwise if we're all just agreeing with each other - what's the point?

A lot is not good enough if you are a journalist, he lies alot in his articles and is pulled up on it frequently. One that springs to mind was Nadal at the Australian Open when he was accusing him of taking drugs, he stated he is hitting the ball harder than ever and serving faster than ever, which was totally untrue, as was pointed out to him in 2010 he was hitting it much harder and serving faster but that does not fit with his narrative and most people are not going to check up on these things and believe wow Nadal is doing these things in his later years and therefore form their opinion on it based on what he has said, which is irresponsible and lies

ProudDUB · 02-07-2019 01:10PM

How many times has he been banned from Boards.ie? Too many to count.

He can't even engage in a civil, non trolling discussion here, or engage in any sort of meaningful debate about his so called "facts" before he does/says something that gets him banned again, whenever anyone challenges his figures or his opinions.

But we are supposed to take the "facts" in his articles seriously?

Oh please !

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