Changes in the GAA - super thread

Dots1982

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Well Dots, you could contact the GAA about it, but they also respond with the same old tired easily disapproved bull**** arguments, John Horan the latest in recent days. Its like they are singing off the same hymn sheet. Basically nothing to see here, Dublin's dominance only temporary, only a matter of time before Meath or Kildare come back, think of the Dublin kids won't ya, others need to get their house in order, Dublin's volunteers are better than everyone else's volunteers, blah blah blah.

Going through the GAA is also a waste of time. Pundits get laughed at when they mention wildly disproportionate funding or called jealous. GAA delegates are sheep only interested in expenses, free pints and tickets. They hardly have the eloquence to describe the problem and most are puppets of GAA HQ.

I do agree with people protesting though, with their feet by boycotting from next year on the championship. The evidence is many people are doing that already.

Maybe when a Leinster final is played on front of 20,000 in a couple of years, the GAA might wake up. Even then I'm not sure.

Things can change very quickly all of a sudden.

I’ve been saying Dublin’s funding and population was a ticking timebomb for 8 years.

Friends have called me deluded and far worst . Now those same friends are demanding a split (I’m not).

Writing to the GAA, to media outlets and boycotting games is your only recourse.

Writing on boards is good for blowing off steam buts it’s shouting into the void.

gaffer91

@ Arielatom- I've no intention of responding in some endless quote war debate to your poorly formatted, ridiculous post. It's almost comical that you immediately jumped straight back in with the usual nonsense in response to my post criticising the usual nonsense.

Every piece of your post has already been debunked- feel free to read back through this thread and others, my posting history and other poster's, to help get a grasp on the issues.

Dublin have enjoyed, and continue to enjoy unfair funding advantages (among other advantages). This funding adds up to millions of euro of extra money to spend on the GAA in Dublin relative to other counties. With this money, they are able to enjoy far more success than they otherwise would, and this success comes at the expense of every other county. This unfair funding advantage should be eliminated or the All Ireland series will become like the Leinster Championship, and large swathes of the population will lose interest in the sport. This is the crux of the matter.

Dots1982 wrote: »

So why bother argue with Dublin fans if we all know what they are going to say? The same old tired easily disapproved bull**** arguments.

There are better ways of combatting the issue then on here.

Oh I agree, arguing with them is pointless- may as well be talking to the wall.

I'm quite pessimistic about the future of the GAA though- even if the GAA got their act together and rectified Dublin's unfair advantages overnight (which, let's be honest, is never going to happen), they have been financially doped so successfully they will enjoy the advantages for years to come. Again, I'd liken it to a sprinter or boxer who dopes at the start of his career with a few cycles of steroids and enjoys the benefits of this for his entire career.

So I'm not sure things can be combated now- it's likely already too late. I imagine the game will wither away at inter county level over the next few years.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

do agree with people protesting though, with their feet by boycotting from next year on the championship. The evidence is many people are doing that already.

Maybe when a Leinster final is played on front of 20,000 in a couple of years, the GAA might wake up. Even then I'm not sure.

I'll probably watch Dublin see out the inevitable five in a row myself and then stop attending and watching, I'm sure many others will be the same.

It's sad really though- I always imagined a team winning five in a row would be an awesome group of players who every fan could respect on some level, even if they weren't your own county. Not some financially doped juggernaut with every advantage under the sun and therefore a big asterisk beside their victories.

Dots1982

gaffer91 wrote: »

So I'm not sure things can be combated now- it's likely already too late. I imagine the game will wither away at inter county level over the next few years.
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The games won’t be allowed wither away. Too many millions at stake. The game will be radically restructured over the coming decade. The intercounty structure is completely outdated.

Kildare can’t beat Dublin, Laois can’t beat kildare, Wexford can’t beat Laois.

We know all the above and it’s never going to change. Time to restructure.

Farawayhome

Dots1982 wrote: »

The games won’t be allowed wither away. Too many millions at stake. The game will be radically restructured over the coming decade. The intercounty structure is completely outdated.

Kildare can’t beat Dublin, Laois can’t beat kildare, Wexford can’t beat Laois.

We know all the above and it’s never going to change. Time to restructure.

Kildare beat Dublin in 1998, 2000, Laois beat Kildare in 2003, Wexford beat Laois in 2008. This was the way it was. The Leinster championship used to be wide open, as were other provincial championships. 21 different counties won a provincial since 1992. The aim should be to get back to this position. Back to where the game was fair and everyone competed equally.

Dots1982

Farawayhome wrote: »

Kildare beat Dublin in 1998, 2000, Laois beat Kildare in 2003, Wexford beat Laois in 2008. This was the way it was. The Leinster championship used to be wide open, as were other provincial championships. 21 different counties won a provincial since 1992. The aim should be to get back to this position. Back to where the game was fair and everyone competed equally.

And how do you propose we go to that era?

bruschi

Dots1982 wrote: »

And how do you propose we go to that era?

throw out Dublin. Would be a great championship without them. Let them have their own internal championship which would be like a second All Ireland series and the quality would be as good. Maybe have a face off with the 2 champions then for a world series type champion.

Farawayhome

Dots1982 wrote: »

And how do you propose we go to that era?

You know what I propose. No point repeating it all again just the three main points.
- Split Dublin into 4
- Give every county appropriate funding to implement coaching and development programs overseen by paid officials who have standards and targets they must reach
- Put a limit on the amount spent on inter county team preparations

Obviously, there's a lot more detail but this gives a short overview.

ArielAtom

gaffer91 wrote: »

@ Arielatom- I've no intention of responding in some endless quote war debate to your poorly formatted, ridiculous post. It's almost comical that you immediately jumped straight back in with the usual nonsense in response to my post criticising the usual nonsense.

Every piece of your post has already been debunked- feel free to read back through this thread and others, my posting history and other poster's, to help get a grasp on the issues.

Dublin have enjoyed, and continue to enjoy unfair funding advantages (among other advantages). This funding adds up to millions of euro of extra money to spend on the GAA in Dublin relative to other counties. With this money, they are able to enjoy far more success than they otherwise would, and this success comes at the expense of every other county. This unfair funding advantage should be eliminated or the All Ireland series will become like the Leinster Championship, and large swathes of the population will lose interest in the sport. This is the crux of the matter.



Oh I agree, arguing with them is pointless- may as well be talking to the wall.

I'm quite pessimistic about the future of the GAA though- even if the GAA got their act together and rectified Dublin's unfair advantages overnight (which, let's be honest, is never going to happen), they have been financially doped so successfully they will enjoy the advantages for years to come. Again, I'd liken it to a sprinter or boxer who dopes at the start of his career with a few cycles of steroids and enjoys the benefits of this for his entire career.

So I'm not sure things can be combated now- it's likely already too late. I imagine the game will wither away at inter county level over the next few years.



I'll probably watch Dublin see out the inevitable five in a row myself and then stop attending and watching, I'm sure many others will be the same.

It's sad really though- I always imagined a team winning five in a row would be an awesome group of players who every fan could respect on some level, even if they weren't your own county. Not some financially doped juggernaut with every advantage under the sun and therefore a big asterisk beside their victories.

Thanks for responding to tell me your not responding..

Edgware

Dots1982 wrote: »

MD McAuley would be an example of a successful Dublin player who doesn’t have many of the traditional skills. Not many others.

Thats a low dig

salmocab

Edgware wrote: »

Thats a low dig

Ah in fairness I don’t think he meant it as a dig, MDMA is a bit different to some of the other players which is his strength. His basketball background and his engine make him a different type of player to some of the others.

Dots1982

Edgware wrote: »

Thats a low dig

Sure that’s just the way he plays the game. He doesn’t kick pass never mind kick over his shoulder or comb points one over from the wing. Feckin’ hell.

Bonniedog

Dots1982 wrote: »

Eamon Callaghan who played for Kildare up until last year said the following on Sunday:

Probably at the stage now where teams should boycott the Leinster championship. It’s a joke. County boards are as much to blame as @officialgaa for allowing this to happen.

Kildare have won two Leinsters in the last 63 years.

And it's Dublin's fault.

Right ……………..

Dots1982

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kildare have won two Leinsters in the last 63 years.

And it's Dublin's fault.

Right ……………..

Oh kildare are underachieving and historically underachievers. But we had hope in the decades before now. Hope was enough. Dublin or Meath beat us in almost every era. But now we have no hope of winning our province. Zero.

And we actually are producing the second best footballers in the province but we still know we are dead meat when we play Dublin.

And that’s the end of the competition. Congratulations to Dublin. You have won the province for all time. Let’s all move on.

Bonniedog

Did you ever consider taking up inspirational speaking?

Or Cian O'Neill might take you on as team psychologist.

StupidLikeAFox

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kildare have won two Leinsters in the last 63 years.

And it's Dublin's fault.

Right ……………..

For one, that wasn't the point he was making and you know it.

Two, Kildare and others in Leinster were competing with Dublin up until relatively recently. People wouldn't care if Dublin were winning all these Leinster's and the matches were competitive. People wouldn't even care if Dublin were steamrolling them off their own back. It's just the fact that they are so far ahead and have received a huge leg up from the gaa to get there that is pissing people off

ThunbergsAreGo

Farawayhome wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

The games won’t be allowed wither away. Too many millions at stake. The game will be radically restructured over the coming decade. The intercounty structure is completely outdated.

Kildare can’t beat Dublin, Laois can’t beat kildare, Wexford can’t beat Laois.

We know all the above and it’s never going to change. Time to restructure.

Kildare beat Dublin in 1998, 2000, Laois beat Kildare in 2003, Wexford beat Laois in 2008. This was the way it was. The Leinster championship used to be wide open, as were other provincial championships. 21 different counties won a provincial since 1992. The aim should be to get back to this position. Back to where the game was fair and everyone competed equally.

So how do we fix Munster? How do we make all games competitive?

Dots1982

Bonniedog wrote: »

Did you ever consider taking up inspirational speaking?

Or Cian O'Neill might take you on as team psychologist.

No, football’s about footballers, Dublin have the population to produce them more than Kildare and Dublin have more money to build an infrastructure to produce more of them in future.

Game Over, move on.....or don’t and I’ll continue to follow my beloved club and forget intercounty.

Dots1982

naughtb4 wrote: »

So how do we fix Munster? How do we make all games competitive?

Cork Kerry amalgamation Tipp, Clare, Waterford limerick amalgamation.

ThunbergsAreGo

Dots1982 wrote: »

naughtb4 wrote: »

So how do we fix Munster? How do we make all games competitive?

Cork Kerry amalgamation Tipp, Clare, Waterford limerick amalgamation.

Was actually asking of the poster responding to you

Provinces have always been uneven. As u said Waterford don't beat Kerry, Leitrim don't beat Galway etc. How far does the need to be fair go?

Dots1982

naughtb4 wrote: »

Was actually asking of the poster responding to you

Provinces have always been uneven. As u said Waterford don't beat Kerry, Leitrim don't beat Galway etc. How far does the need to be fair go?

It’s a discussion forum, deal with it.

Ideally you need 30 men on a field that are able to compete with each other.

You certainly can’t go ahead with the present situation in Leinster where it’s a no contest.

That should be obvious to everyone even from Dublin surely.

ThunbergsAreGo

Dots1982 wrote: »

naughtb4 wrote: »

Was actually asking of the poster responding to you

Provinces have always been uneven. As u said Waterford don't beat Kerry, Leitrim don't beat Galway etc. How far does the need to be fair go?

It’s a discussion forum, deal with it.

Ideally you need 30 men on a field that are able to compete with each other.

You certainly can’t go ahead with the present situation in Leinster where it’s a no contest.

That should be obvious to everyone even from Dublin surely.

Yeah that aggressive tone is the way to win an argument well done.

We are all happy to press ahead with Munster where it's the same. There isn't an appetite for change in the GAA.

What would you do for hurling, different amalgamations? An administrative nightmare

Dots1982

naughtb4 wrote: »

Yeah that aggressive tone is the way to win an argument well done.

We are all happy to press ahead with Munster where it's the same

Apologies, it was needlessly aggressive.

You are going to divert to Munster? It’s a very different situation or not? What do you think?

ThunbergsAreGo

Dots1982 wrote: »

naughtb4 wrote: »

Yeah that aggressive tone is the way to win an argument well done.

We are all happy to press ahead with Munster where it's the same

Apologies, it was needlessly aggressive.

You are going to divert to Munster? It’s a very different situation or not? What do you think?

It depends on what angle. People speak of a need for people to compete but there are imbalances all over be it population, playing numbers, money etc.

This need to be fair only seems to exist at the top end and not in getting a Sligo up a level.

Is the problem one team is dominating a province or that's it's a new thing (and Dublin?)
Personally I think a big push is needed in the commuter belt towns from a funding perspective and getting an identity, so many ex dubs living in Kildare etc.

Dots1982

naughtb4 wrote: »

It depends on what angle. People speak of a need for people to compete but there are imbalances all over be it population, playing numbers, money etc.

This need to be fair only seems to exist at the top end and not in getting a Sligo up a level.

Is the problem one team is dominating a province or that's it's a new thing (and Dublin?)
Personally I think a big push is needed in the commuter belt towns from a funding perspective and getting an identity, so many ex dubs living in Kildare etc.

Funding in commuter belt town is fine but if they are taking on Dublin with funding, home advantage, a coaching infrastructure and a much bigger population I don’t see the gap closing.

I ultimately think Dublin’s dominance boils down to population. The funding is out of control in Dublin’s favour but I don’t think it’s a huge factor in the brilliance in their current team.

It worries me when people say even up the funding and Kildare, meath will close the gap. I think that won’t happen. The GAA seems to agree. They seem to want to continue with pumping most of their money into Dublin’s infrastructure.

It’s also very dangerous to think splitting Dublin will solve all inequalities. Laois bet kildare at minor last night. That’s their first win over kildare at any level since 2010. There are inequalities all over the GAA. You agree. So unless radical changes are made any solutions will not benefit all intercounty teams. It will only benefit the tier 2 counties.

Irish people support Munster or Leinster. They support Liverpool or Manchester United. All the players in these teams are paid employees. Professional sport works.

We obviously have an attachment to the intercounty structure of the GAA but ultimately it is not leading to meaningful contests. It’s got to the stage where the inter-county structure is hurting the sport and the association.

17togo

The fact that Dublin are running away with the championship every year is probably making the state of football look alot worse than it is. Outside of any match Dublin are involved in it seems to be fairly competitive, most teams have a decent shot of beating eachother. There really doesn't seem any chance Dublin could be caught on the hop.
The only change that really needs to happen with football is with the finances, and before any Dublin fans attack me, it's not a dig at Dublin. They were offered money and took it, of course they'd take it like any county would. Its the GAAs **** up. A proper plan would be to change who gets the larger funding every 2-3 years, it'll give everyone a shot at developing over time. Dublin will never be split in 2 or 4 and shouldn't be. Or there will never be County amalgamations, that'll defeat the whole purpose of the intercounty scene! It'll take a few years to catch Dublin I'd imagine or unless they get bored of winning!

The only gripe I have about Dublin with this whole thing is with many of their fans who just refuse to equate the success they've had with the large amount of money they've been given to help them.
More money is going to help you prepare better and have more support in the background and better facilities, it's obvious, I can't see why they don't/won't see that!? And how they don't see the unfairness of it either??!
I'm a hurling man so don't really have a huge interest in who wins so again it's not an anti Dublin thing. But the counter argument of Kilkennys dominance in hurling is always brought up. But its not the same thing, they weren't given huge amounts of money to help develop them. They have a tradition of being a strong hurling county and are always in the hunt for titles. They've always had strong teams. Same as Tipperary or Cork, I know it's a cliché but tradition plays a huge part in it, they'll never be too far away from winning something. But there's never been as big a gap between the chasing pack and the leader in hurling or football as there is with Dublin at the moment.

Farawayhome

naughtb4 wrote: »

So how do we fix Munster? How do we make all games competitive?

Farawayhome wrote: »

You know what I propose. No point repeating it all again just the three main points.
- Split Dublin into 4
- Give every county appropriate funding to implement coaching and development programs overseen by paid officials who have standards and targets they must reach
- Put a limit on the amount spent on inter county team preparations

Obviously, there's a lot more detail but this gives a short overview.

I've already said it. People keep focusing on football. The improvements in other areas of Dublin GAA are just as staggering if not more so. It's not fantasy stuff to bring counties up to standard if you fund them and put the structures in place. Dublin were minnows in hurling and look at them now.

Bonniedog

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

For one, that wasn't the point he was making and you know it.

Two, Kildare and others in Leinster were competing with Dublin up until relatively recently. People wouldn't care if Dublin were winning all these Leinster's and the matches were competitive. People wouldn't even care if Dublin were steamrolling them off their own back. It's just the fact that they are so far ahead and have received a huge leg up from the gaa to get there that is pissing people off

Kildare have beaten Dublin in four Leinster finals since 1884.

Clare have beaten Kerry in one.

Leitrim and Sligo have similar stats with Galway and Mayo.


Fermanagh have never won Ulster.

That's the way things are. What can you do?

threeball

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kildare have beaten Dublin in four Leinster finals since 1884.

Clare have beaten Kerry in one.

Leitrim and Sligo have similar stats with Galway and Mayo.


Fermanagh have never won Ulster.

That's the way things are. What can you do?

It's not the beating that's the problem. It's the margin. Counties used to at least have a chance, not any more. Not even the best counties outside Leinster give Dublin a real problem. They're comfortable winners in 99% of games. 80% of wins are slaughters. It's not even watchable. I used to love watching Dublin games, great atmosphere, drama edge of the seat. Now they're dour, lifeless, emotionless, foregone conclusions. I fell asleep 20 mins into the Meath game. The game is dying.

Bonniedog

Well, I'm certain that Dublin will provide some interesting games later in the Summer.

Just as certain as I am that you won't like to see them win those games either.

threeball

Bonniedog wrote: »

Well, I'm certain that Dublin will provide some interesting games later in the Summer.

Just as certain as I am that you won't like to see them win those games either.

Why are your posts always so bitter. You can't respond without a remark about how everyone's out to get you.
Don't worry your drive for 5 is safe.