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Changes in the GAA - super thread

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The moderators and many other posters are getting tired with silly bickering breaking out on many threads and it taking those threads so far off topic.

So if you want to discuss county funding or how the GAA should change, moan about the fact that your county gets a hard time in the draw, that the GAA fixtures are clashing with any sporting event etc etc etc, it goes here. If is a moan or complaint, it goes here.

Anyone taking other threads off topic, or taking points of view from this into other threads and cross thread posting will be carded and/or banned. Anybody soapboxing in other threads will be banned and a limited amount allowed on here

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lukin

kilns wrote: »

In fact no money that comes from the GAA goes to the senior team.

Where did you find this information?

Barlett

kilns wrote: »

A lot is not good enough if you are a journalist, he lies alot in his articles and is pulled up on it frequently. One that springs to mind was Nadal at the Australian Open when he was accusing him of taking drugs, he stated he is hitting the ball harder than ever and serving faster than ever, which was totally untrue, as was pointed out to him in 2010 he was hitting it much harder and serving faster but that does not fit with his narrative and most people are not going to check up on these things and believe wow Nadal is doing these things in his later years and therefore form their opinion on it based on what he has said, which is irresponsible and lies

I'm not talking about other sports - all I'm talking about is the GAA and Dublin. While I think he goes too strongly on his criticism, I've yet to see a convincing argument that the huge sums of money handed to Dublin in development grants (not talking about sponsorship or fundraising) have not handed them an artificial advantage over other counties and it's important this is pointed out.

kilns

RoscommonTom wrote: »

the Jack's dont like what he writes cos its true, fellas will look back at this last few years in the future and take that the all irelands the Dubs won were drugged with money, give me the great kerry team any day off the week,

sure they will ha ha

explain to me how money made the greatest goalkeeper of all time?

RoscommonTom

the Jack's dont like what he writes cos its true, fellas will look back at this last few years in the future and take that the all irelands the Dubs won were drugged with money, give me the great kerry team any day off the week,

kilns

lukin wrote: »

The one thing I don't understand is why Dublin keep taking this money from the GAA while at the same claiming the money is not playing any part in their success.
They say they would have won all those All-Ireland's without the funding so if that is the case then what do they need it for? Just go to the GAA and tell them to give them the same as every other county is getting.

Are you really asking that question? Every cent that Dublin receive does not go to the senior team to make them professionals! In fact no money that comes from the GAA goes to the senior team.

How many kids are living in Dublin? How many GPOs are required to cover this volume, educate yourself and see where the money goes. It does not go into developing the next Brogan, Connolly or Cluxton although they may be the by product, it goes into every single child who is willing to play the games and to encourage those who currently dont

If you break the figures down given by the GAA per county and the number of school going children, the allocation per head surprisingly has Dublin about mid table on those figures. This is what the funds are for.

lukin

The one thing I don't understand is why Dublin keep taking this money from the GAA while at the same time claiming the money is not playing any part in their success.
They say they would have won all those All-Ireland's without the funding so if that is the case then what do they need it for? Just go to the GAA and tell them to give them the same as every other county is getting.

ProudDUB

How many times has he been banned from Boards.ie? Too many to count.

He can't even engage in a civil, non trolling discussion here, or engage in any sort of meaningful debate about his so called "facts" before he does/says something that gets him banned again, whenever anyone challenges his figures or his opinions.

But we are supposed to take the "facts" in his articles seriously?

Oh please !

kilns

Barlett wrote: »

A lot of what Ewan says is true, the problem is the way he presents it and how strongly he feels about it. Some parts are written in a way that will wind Dublin supporters up and he can be over the top on it. But we need people like him in journalism, otherwise if we're all just agreeing with each other - what's the point?

A lot is not good enough if you are a journalist, he lies alot in his articles and is pulled up on it frequently. One that springs to mind was Nadal at the Australian Open when he was accusing him of taking drugs, he stated he is hitting the ball harder than ever and serving faster than ever, which was totally untrue, as was pointed out to him in 2010 he was hitting it much harder and serving faster but that does not fit with his narrative and most people are not going to check up on these things and believe wow Nadal is doing these things in his later years and therefore form their opinion on it based on what he has said, which is irresponsible and lies

Happyilylost

La Bamba wrote:

Would there be anything in this particular article he has written that you would disagree with?

La Bamba wrote:

If so, would you mind elaborating on it? Cheers!

I had a bit of back and forth on Twitter with the lovely lad and I simply asked him to give me some information on his "elite" player development theory starting off in primary school. He blocked me after three tweets. Hard to have a debate with the lad when he has no problem putting out initial facts and figures but when challenged he shuts up shop.

La Bamba

naughtb4 wrote: »

He is getting great mileage out of writing the same article for the last year

Would there be anything in this particular article he has written that you would disagree with?

If so, would you mind elaborating on it? Cheers!

Barlett

A lot of what Ewan says is true, the problem is the way he presents it and how strongly he feels about it. Some parts are written in a way that will wind Dublin supporters up and he can be over the top on it. But we need people like him in journalism, otherwise if we're all just agreeing with each other - what's the point?

shockframe

I've never seen a bag of money score a goal." - Johan Cruyff

ThunbergsAreGo

He is getting great mileage out of writing the same article for the last year

La Bamba

Thats disappointing, appreciate the feedback all the same as it does show that this echo chamber mindset is not an issue limited to twitter and facebook.

Squareball

What they said!

PhuckHugh22

Id rather gouge my own eyes out than read the trash Ewan McKenna writes.

kilns

Havent read the article and dont intend to but just to warn you, do your research when Ewan quotes "facts" as a lot of the time they are complete lies or manipulated.

That does not just refer to his Dublin articles but other GAA articles, Tennis etc articles of his

Anyone who falsifies facts to fit their agenda is not worth entertaining

La Bamba

Hi all,

I posted this in the Dublin thread but was told it may derail the thread so I have decided to post it here instead.

Basically,I am just genuinely interested in getting Dublin fans perspective on MacKenna's article from this morning. Unfotunately when it comes to his articles I feel some people ( Non dubs included) see his name and Dublin being mentioned and roll their eyes at the headline and dont read the article.However, the points raised in this article worried me:

https://punditarena.com/gaa/emackenna/ewan-mackenna-monday-dublin-advantage/

To be clear, I am not attacking Dublin with this post. I would just like to get the perspectives of actual Dublin supporters of why you may disagree with points made in the particular article.

A lot of us talk to the same people and hear and read the same peoples opinions everyday so it is difficult for our opinions to change on anything.As a person from the country who would have a lot of friends who agree with MacKenna I am merely trying to get opinions and perspectives that may differ!. I usually try twitter for a discussion like this but in my opinion the level of debate has gone to the dogs and people tend to play the man not the ball so if I got some Dubliner perspectives on this article here I would appreciate it !

Coillte_Bhoy

gaffer91 wrote: »

Cop on to yourself. Croke Park is the de facto home stadium for the Dublin football team. Bear in mind they played every All ireland quarter/ semi and final there from 2011 to 2017.

No denying Croke Park is home for Dublin and the huge advantage they have but there is nothing about neutral venues in the rules, Croke Park is specified

threeball

doc_17 wrote: »

Yeah Jim G is wrong in saying that their volunteers are better than other counties have, if he did say that, but in fairness to him what else can he say there?

Certainly don't criticise the volunteers in other counties anyway. Talk about kicking sand in their face. Gavin has a job keeping a straight face in half these interviews. He may have many good traits as a manager. Charisma isn't one of them.

doc_17

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Good to hear the issue discussed on news talk at moment.

They played Jim G’s disingenuous recent interview at the start. He goes on about great volunteers in Dublin and plays down the impact funding has.

That angered the panel. They rightly said that every county has great volunteers and it’s an insult to think otherwise. The idea that Dublin success is due to that, clearly is nonsense.

John Evans said just now “don’t cod yourself - It’s less money not more, that Dublin should be getting.”

“It’s very very unusual that the strongest county gets the most funding and resources.”

“The disparity is just too big at the moment.”

Allegations that Dublin clubs are actively trying to recruit players from around the country and put them up in apartments and get them jobs.

Allegations that other counties have pleaded with HQ for funding and all they get is the run around.

“We are not going to France to look at World War One graves - Dublin are on a different level altogether”

Jim G knows all this but ignores it. Wonder why that is....

Yeah Jim G is wrong in saying that their volunteers are better than other counties have, if he did say that, but in fairness to him what else can he say there?

Beechwoodspark

Good to hear the issue discussed on news talk at moment.

They played Jim G’s disingenuous recent interview at the start. He goes on about great volunteers in Dublin and plays down the impact funding has.

That angered the panel. They rightly said that every county has great volunteers and it’s an insult to think otherwise. The idea that Dublin success is due to that, clearly is nonsense.

John Evans said just now “don’t cod yourself - It’s less money not more, that Dublin should be getting.”

“It’s very very unusual that the strongest county gets the most funding and resources.”

“The disparity is just too big at the moment.”

Allegations that Dublin clubs are actively trying to recruit players from around the country and put them up in apartments and get them jobs.

Allegations that other counties have pleaded with HQ for funding and all they get is the run around.

“We are not going to France to look at World War One graves - Dublin are on a different level altogether”

Jim G knows all this but ignores it. Wonder why that is....

doc_17

It won’t be a problem for you as it’s not like you’re going to be troubling yourself making any sensible points at the same time on his behalf.

salmocab

doc_17 wrote: »

Thank you for clearing that up for him. He really does benefit from someone be coming in and giving him the support he needs. But then, he’s from Dublin. What else would anyone expect.

Ooh I see I’ll have to watch out for your rapier like wit.

doc_17

salmocab wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Again, ignoring the points made

I think he was more addressing that you said apparently Dublin have 45 training, something you obviously don’t know if it’s fact or not and then said did someone mention they train twice a day, again something you don’t know.

Thank you for clearing that up for him. He really does benefit from someone be coming in and giving him the support he needs. But then, he’s from Dublin. What else would anyone expect.

salmocab

doc_17 wrote: »

Again, ignoring the points made

I think he was more addressing that you said apparently Dublin have 45 training, something you obviously don’t know if it’s fact or not and then said did someone mention they train twice a day, again something you don’t know.

doc_17

ArielAtom wrote: »

Apparently did someone mention whaboutery!!!!

Again, ignoring the points made

ArielAtom

Apparently did someone mention whaboutery!!!!

doc_17

naughtb4 wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Teams having to play “neutral” matches in Croke Park against Dublin should get reduced tickets through their clubs to compensate for the increased cost of travel.

Do we do this for all counties and games, or just ones played in Croke Park?

Would Kerry get reduced tickets for a game in Cork vs Cork?

Cork and Kerry usually operate a rotation in Munster. The opening of Pairc Ui Caoimh has changed it this year but it’ll revert back again.

But don’t address the points made....just default to whataboutery.

Dublin apparently have a panel of 45 players training. Impossibly to sustain that in Donegal. And did someone mention they train twice a day? Is that collectively? That’s just something none of the rest of the teams can do.

ArielAtom

I’m merely doing what every poster in here does and uses articles written by 3rd parties. There is no info in most posts, purely opinions. So I’ll take you criticism with a pinch of salt. Thanks.