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Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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    #242
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    John Prescott hit a protester a left hook that would rattle a Wall and he was lauded for it.

    He didn't and rightly didn't apologize.

    Being a protester dies not make one immune from response.


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    #243
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Can you see what’s in her bag/purse in the longer video??


    can we see what is in his pockets? He could have had a gun! Or a cosh!


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    #244
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Danzy wrote: »
    John Prescott hit a protester a left hook that would rattle a Wall and he was lauded for it.

    He didn't and rightly didn't apologize.

    Being a protester dies not make one immune from response.

    Yes I remember. But that was a man. And he threw custard

    She was a woman and did nothing.


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    #245
    Sunny Disposition
    Registered Users Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    She has a right to protest, but not to protest there. Totally deserved what happened, should definitely not be any apology. Misjudged virtue signalling to suggest otherwise.


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    #246
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    There’s something particularly pathetic about seeing Irish people sticking up for one of these Tory cretins.


    Not sticking up for a Tory cretin, more giving an honest appraisal of the actions of a misguided protester.


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    #247
    MarinersBlues
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    Lux23 wrote: »
    She has a right to protest. He had a right to have her removed, but he didn't need to drag her by the throat. He only has himself to blame.

    When did he grab her by thr throat?

    I saw him grab her by the back of the neck.

    Sensationalism undermines every arguement.


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    #248
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,521 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I am expressing my opinions. It's rather undermining for you simply say stop with this nonsense.

    I must admit my brain might not be as 'logical' as you guys. I might be a little more naive etc. I might not be as smart etc :o

    But i am expressing my opinions in the best way i can in a courteous manner. And i think that should be respected even if my opinion is not.

    I am a person and I have feelings.

    I am just not as good at arguing as you guys. :o

    All terrorists are not men. To suggest they are is nonsense.
    It is nothing to do with your ability to argue/discuss.


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    #249
    tritium
    Registered Users Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭tritium


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Nobody armed would have been able to get into that event in the first place.

    And people suggesting bouncers manhandling punters of clubs should be viewed as an acceptable standard: tbh I’m surprised more bouncers don’t end up getting charged with assault, because how I’ve seen some of them behave they should be.

    Yeah, the world really works like that. Security just frisk down the protesters who aren’t on the guest list and then tell them to go ahead...

    The victims of the Manchester bombing and the Bataclan theatre attack would probably have assumed the same thing tbh


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    #250
    Hurrache
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Puzzled, did she carry a sign saying 'I'm a climate activist'? How is anyone there supposed to know what she's up to? Terrorists don't all come wearing balaclavas.

    Because they were there for ****ing ages before your hero saved the day. Watch the full video.


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    #251
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    If she has a husband he should go and beat up Mark Fields!


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    #252
    Mad_maxx
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    Danzy wrote: »
    John Prescott hit a protester a left hook that would rattle a Wall and he was lauded for it.

    He didn't and rightly didn't apologize.

    Being a protester dies not make one immune from response.

    Two jags punched a bloke


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    #253
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    tritium wrote: »
    Yeah, the world really works like that. Security just frisk down the protesters who aren’t on the guest list and then tell them to go ahead...

    The victims of the Manchester bombing and the Bataclan theatre attack would probably have assumed the same thing tbh

    Somehow I think the security at an event attended by a bunch of British cabinet ministers including the Chancellor of the Exchequer will be higher than at an Ariana Grande concert.


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    #254
    OMM 0000
    Registered Users Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭OMM 0000


    joe40 wrote: »
    He wasn't employed as security, he had no right to do it.

    Security also don't have the right to assault people.

    The MPs use of force was excessive. It doesn't matter if "it'd be different if the protester was a man", or any of the other "what if" arguments here.

    He used excessive force and he should be punished for it.


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    #255
    Hurrache
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    Danzy wrote: »
    John Prescott hit a protester a left hook that would rattle a Wall and he was lauded for it.

    He didn't and rightly didn't apologize.

    Being a protester dies not make one immune from response.

    The 2 situations are not even comparable, and I'm sure you know it.


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    #256
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    There’s something particularly pathetic about seeing Irish people sticking up for one of these Tory cretins.

    We should all think as a herd without reason. That's teach em.


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    #257
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Two jags punched a bloke

    So.

    Did you think that Fields should have punched her instead of being restrained in removing her?


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    #258
    tritium
    Registered Users Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭tritium


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Somehow I think the security at an event attended by a bunch of British cabinet ministers including the Chancellor of the Exchequer will be higher than at an Ariana Grande concert.

    Yet clearly it failed here if the protest managed to get in....


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    #259
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Well, I do blame him for treating a citizen this way, he is supposed to be a representative of the people.
    But it was very well deserved for a trespasser, especially the particularly obnoxious waste of air kind that the green activists are.


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    #260
    Strumms
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    OMM 0000 wrote: »
    Security also don't have the right to assault people.

    The MPs use of force was excessive. It doesn't matter if "it'd be different if the protester was a man", or any of the other "what if" arguments here.

    He used excessive force and he should be punished for it.

    He didn’t. The force he used was in proportion to the perceived threat. No way would a court convict anyone for what we have seen.


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    #261
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    tritium wrote: »
    Yet clearly it failed here if the protest managed to get in....

    Were any of them armed?


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    #262
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    With the prevailing culture today where the entire female species are unconditional angels who can never be wrong about anything and anyone who disagrees is a mysogonist meanie.

    I can see the likes of IS using female operatives more frequently, security will think twice in future about apprehending a female


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    #263
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Tell me how wrote: »
    All terrorists are not men. To suggest they are is nonsense.
    It is nothing to do with your ability to argue/discuss.


    I just feel sometimes i can't keep up with you. And you used my lack of intelligence against me. I wanted to show you it affects me. Not just in this thread but makes me think differently about myself.

    It also makes our interaction more heated which is not good. We should be friendly kinder. :)

    I am not saying 99% of men are terrorists I am saying 99% of terrorists are men.

    Oh come on don't be coy. Women and men are different.

    Even in Isis men and women play different roles.

    Its much much rarer for women to be terrorists.

    I know you all want to be metro 21st century men or women whatever you might be but is that really reality?

    Do you really think men and women are the same? I certainly don't. I think there are certain traditional truths.

    That is not a bad thing. I admire men a lot. They have honor. Stoicism. etc. Those are very good things.

    Women are different we have other things.


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    #264
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Puzzled, did she carry a sign saying 'I'm a climate activist'? How is anyone there supposed to know what she's up to? Terrorists don't all come wearing balaclavas.
    I'm pretty sure she was wearing a sash across her entire body, and as she was being pushed out was shouting "Peaceful protest".

    Bit late in the thread for my two cents, but I'd say it wasn't assault. I do however think it's very telling of his character that he was able to so readily put his hands on another person in aggression.


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    #265
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Cordell wrote: »
    Well, I do blame him for treating a citizen this way, he is supposed to be a representative of the people.
    But it was very well deserved for a trespasser, especially the particularly obnoxious waste of air kind that the green activists are.

    It doesn't matter his politics or hers, when your trespassing and charging high profile targets, at the least you can expect to be restrained.

    To the modern generation of " don't you know who I am" activists this would be an outrage.

    It was mild and controlled.


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    #266
    Hurrache
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    Strumms wrote: »
    He didn’t. The force he used was in proportion to the perceived threat. No way would a court convict anyone for what we have seen.

    Is it all women you're scared of, or just ones with handbags?


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    #267
    Boxing.Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    There’s something particularly pathetic about seeing Irish people sticking up for one of these Tory cretins.

    What does him being a Tory have to do with the incident?

    Or should we argue against him just because he is a Tory?


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    #268
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    With the prevailing culture today where the entire female species are unconditional angels who can never be wrong about anything and anyone who disagrees is a mysogonist meanie.


    Females are not a species :p


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    #269
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,177 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Man this thread just goes to show how many snowflakes and sjw warriors there are these days. Come outside of your bubble once in a while.

    Talk about selective viewing to suit your agenda.

    She got removed with minimal force, no he did not "drag her by the throat.

    Everyone crying assault needs to get a life


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    #270
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Boxing.Fan wrote: »
    What does him being a Tory have to do with the incident?

    Or should we argue against him just because he is a Tory?

    Yes we are Irish and proud!


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    #271
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,521 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I just feel sometimes i can't keep up with you. And you used my lack of intelligence against me. I wanted to show you it affects me. Not just in this thread but makes me think differently about myself.

    It also makes our interaction more heated which is not good. We should be friendly kinder. :)

    I am not saying 99% of men are terrorists I am saying 99% of terrorists are men.

    Oh come on don't be coy. Women and men are different.

    Even in Isis men and women play different roles.

    Its much much rarer for women to be terrorists.

    I know you all want to be metro 21st century men or women whatever you might be but is that really reality?

    Do you really think men and women are the same? I certainly don't. I think there are certain traditional truths.

    That is not a bad thing. I admire men a lot. They have honor. Stoicism. etc. Those are very good things.

    Women are different we have other things.

    This thread is weird.
    Many of the views you have expressed in this post would probably be also held by many of the people who you are arguing against in this instance. I have no interest debating them today.

    I responded to what you said. You said all men are terrorists, not most men as you are now saying.


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