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If the Green Party got into government are they mad

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    They don't. Nothing has changed on that front. There were some stories in the news recently about them cracking down on electric bikes and scooters that didn't meet the regulations for electric bikes. But the law hasn't changed and is unlikely to change soon. You can still buy an electric bike and not have it taxed.



    Actually, a scrappage scheme to encourage uptake is part of the proposals.

    so the answer is indeed 'get rid of your car and get a new one'. Do we live in a democracy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,573 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The Green Party are as bad as the rest. All they want is the big money being in government guarantees. A shower of shysters.
    They have as much interest in the environment as I have in cricket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    but why should I change a decent car now? Can I wait until it's ready to be scrapped? you are suggesting that the answer is go get yourself in debt to buy an electric car because the government cant be arsed to invest in proper public transport - nevermind its increasingly looking like electric cars are a very short term answer

    If its more expensive to fuel, tax and run and it pollutes then is it really a decent car now?

    I'm pretty sure nothing is because "the government can't be arsed".

    How far is your commute and what transport alternatives are available?

    Why are you saying they are short term?
    How much oil is left do you reckon?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    maccored wrote: »
    and americans will do that because why again? you are engaging in silly talk, saying we need to please everyone or else they might all run away and leave us.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0108/112419-dell/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    so the answer is indeed 'get rid of your car and get a new one'. Do we live in a democracy?

    Did you accidentally merge two sentences there?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,350 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    maccored wrote:
    so the answer is indeed 'get rid of your car and get a new one'. Do we live in a democracy?


    It can be more plutocratic than democratic at times, but yes, we do have elements of both


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    If its more expensive to fuel, tax and run and it pollutes then is it really a decent car now?

    I'm pretty sure nothing is because "the government can't be arsed".

    How far is your commute and what transport alternatives are available?

    Why are you saying they are short term?
    How much oil is left do you reckon?

    theres probably as much oil left as there are natural resources left like cobalt, lithium and copper used to make electric cars


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    maccored wrote: »
    so the answer is indeed 'get rid of your car and get a new one'. Do we live in a democracy?

    I don't think you'll be made to get rid of your car. You may have to pay more tax on it. And you may get a sweetener for buying an electric when the time comes to trade it in.

    Disincentivising certain behaviour by taxing it and incentivising other behaviours by providing grants or tax breaks is not a new practice and occurs in most democracies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Did you accidentally merge two sentences there?

    nope. it seems its not expected for the government to supply alternatives to driving - you are expected it seems to just go out and buy a new car and scrap the one you have. We seem to forget where most of the electricity comes from, or the environmental impact of creating electric cars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,350 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    The Green Party are as bad as the rest. All they want is the big money being in government guarantees. A shower of shysters. They have as much interest in the environment as I have in cricket.


    I know a couple of green party members, environmental issues are a critical part of their core beliefs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    theres probably as much oil left as there are natural resources left like cobalt, lithium and copper used to make electric cars

    Batteries can be recharged and reused for years.
    Oil less so.

    Still waiting on your commute and alternative transport replies...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,573 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    maccored wrote: »
    nope. it seems its not expected for the government to supply alternatives to driving - you are expected it seems to just go out and buy a new car and scrap the one you have. We seem to forget where most of the electricity comes from, or the environmental impact of creating electric cars

    Or the cost associated with getting an ev. We’re made of money seemingly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,573 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I know a couple of green party members, environmental issues are a critical part of their core beliefs

    So do I. Complete chancers. Bandwagoners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    nope. it seems its not expected for the government to supply alternatives to driving - you are expected it seems to just go out and buy a new car and scrap the one you have. We seem to forget where most of the electricity comes from, or the environmental impact of creating electric cars
    Ah so you are one of the "can't somebody else do it" brigade.

    You seem to forget the targets for renewable energy that have been pointed out multiple times in this thread.

    Again, what's your commute and transport alternatives? How realistic is public transport for your commute?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Batteries can be recharged and reused for years.
    Oil less so.

    Still waiting on your commute and alternative transport replies...

    why are you waiting on that? If you read my post you;d know how long my commute is, with no alternative transport routes. not too sure why you want me to give you an alternative - I dont have one bar sell my car and buy an electric one.

    you do know that those batteries use natural resources to be created dont you? we're running out of those too (or certainly will need to massively ramp up the mining of them)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Ah so you are one of the "can't somebody else do it" brigade.

    You seem to forget the targets for renewable energy that have been pointed out multiple times in this thread.

    Again, what's your commute and transport alternatives? How realistic is public transport for your commute?

    cant someone else walk to work instead of me? yeah - please because a) i cant afford an electric vehicle and b) ive no other way to get to work. and for the THIRD TIME, there is no alternative transport to work. at all.


  • Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I know a couple of green party members, environmental issues are a critical part of their core beliefs

    Bolded part is tbe problem. Like People Before Profit and Sinn Fein they are a faith based party rather than a fact based one.

    Some inconvenient facts : used cars are better for the environment than new ones. Diesel emits less CO2 than petrol. Renewables can't power us exclusively and we need a zero carbon base load , nuclear being the only viable option.
    Moneypoint and agriculture are huge emitters in this country.

    All the above are blasphemy to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,350 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    So do I. Complete chancers. Bandwagoners.


    Not the green party members I know, they're deeply interested and concerned about environmental issues, great to hear eamonn Ryan mention environmental economist kate raworth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    why are you waiting on that? If you read my post you;d know how long my commute is, with no alternative transport routes. not too sure why you want me to give you an alternative - I dont have one bar sell my car and buy an electric one.

    you do know that those batteries use natural resources to be created dont you? we're running out of those too (or certainly will need to massively ramp up the mining of them)

    Yes i do know, which is why i said they can be reused, unlike oil.
    Also alternative resources are being investigated for battery use.

    Not too sure why you think the government should solve your personal commute issues?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭bladespin


    maccored wrote: »
    theres probably as much oil left as there are natural resources left like cobalt, lithium and copper used to make electric cars

    And the oil/fosil fuel used in actually getting this out of the ground.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Yes i do know, which is why i said they can be reused, unlike oil.
    Also alternative resources are being investigated for battery use.

    Not too sure why you think the government should solve your personal commute issues?

    they should if they are going to tax me more for using the transport I already have. if someone in a city has access to public transport, so should the rest of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Not sure why these discussions always end up back with people going on about buying a new car

    Nobody is saying to go out and scrap a car and buy electric. If people are buying new cars then the focus should be more towards electric instead of a combustion engine

    The second hand market is also available for electric cars, you dont need to buy brand new. Also it doesn't suit all people.

    Cars is one element, lots of other discussion points


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    cant someone else walk to work instead of me? yeah - please because a) i cant afford an electric vehicle and b) ive no other way to get to work. and for the THIRD TIME, there is no alternative transport to work. at all.

    Im asking how realistic is it for you to expect public transport for your 40 mile commute?

    To me it's unreasonable to expect public transport to cater for that.
    Though you do say its possible just not on time... can you not get up earlier?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,350 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Some inconvenient facts : used cars are better for the environment than new ones. Diesel emits less CO2 than petrol. Renewables can't power us exclusively and we need a zero carbon base load , nuclear being the only viable option. All the above are blasphemy to them.


    Have we entered the world of 'alternative facts'!

    New cars v's old cars! Really!

    I will agree on the nuclear front though, the green party certainly have a lot of work to do, I suspect this carbon tax thing will be a flop


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,573 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Not the green party members I know, they're deeply interested and concerned about environmental issues, great to hear eamonn Ryan mention environmental economist kate raworth

    My last local Green councilor was also a publican. You only saw him around the odd time. He retired and his bar manager tried to win his seat. Thankfully he failed. A chancer. He’d try to teach algebra to fish if there was a euro in it.

    Tell me this. If they were so concerned about the environment then why was every lamppost around Ireland laden down with their election posters?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,350 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    My last local Green councilor was also a publican. You only saw him around the odd time. He retired and his bar manager tried to win his seat. Thankfully he failed. A chancer. He’d try to teach algebra to fish if there was a euro in it.


    We clearly move in completely different green party circles, I've a lot of respect for those I know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    maccored wrote: »
    they should if they are going to tax me more for using the transport I already have. if someone in a city has access to public transport, so should the rest of us.

    Well you are using the road infrastructure that they already provided, why shouldn't they tax you for using it?

    You honestly think you should have the same facilities in a city as in the suburbs?
    And you complain about tax in the same post?!

    Where do you think the money for your public transport would come from exactly? Wouldnt be fat cat bankers by any chance would it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Im asking how realistic is it for you to expect public transport for your 40 mile commute?

    To me it's unreasonable to expect public transport to cater for that.
    Though you do say its possible just not on time... can you not get up earlier?

    its as realistic as the government charging me more money just to get to work. can you not get up earlier? for what? to walk to work quicker? for the FOURTH TIME - theres no public transport alternatives


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Well you are using the road infrastructure that they already provided, why shouldn't they tax you for using it?

    You honestly think you should have the same facilities in a city as in the suburbs?
    And you complain about tax in the same post?!

    Where do you think the money for your public transport would come from exactly? Wouldnt be fat cat bankers by any chance would it?

    where did the 10 million for trump come from? whereever that was would be a start. How about the 40 odd percent taxes I end up paying?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,573 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We clearly move in completely different green party circles, I've a lot of respect for those I know

    Well the ones you know must be different from the last crowd who propped up FF and insisted on a carbon tax while FF bankrupted the country with their help.


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