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    #662
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    A decision was taken long ago that politics threads should not be in AH. That is not going to change.


    this is i guess the nub of it.

    start a thread in AH.

    have it moved somewhere nobody wants to go.

    ask about in as an AH issue

    it isnt an AH issue.

    rinse, repeat.


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    #663
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Start a thread about pokemon in the gardening forum.

    Thread moved to pokemon forum.

    Complain about it in gardening issues thread

    It isn't a gardening issue

    Rinse and repeat


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    #664
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    if political threads in ah being a no no isn't going to change, and presumably that is on the feedback of the userbase, then the moderation is seriously going to have to do better in moving them earlier. it's not as if there aren't plenty to do it, so why we are having cases of long threads suddenly being shunted off to pc when there is still discussion going on is a mystery and i personally see no reason for that given the amount of mods on the forum. it should not be left to the 1 mod to do it all, in some cases a long time after the thread is opened.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #665
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    It's not an AH problem though, that's my point. There's nothing to evade. Politics does not belong in AH, if there's a problem with the destination forum (and I agree that there is) then raise it with that forum, not AH.

    I'm inclined to favour that but there seems to be threads that remain in after hours for a long time before moving to politics cafe.


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    #666
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm inclined to favour that but there seems to be threads that remain in after hours for a long time before moving to politics cafe.

    That's a fair complaint, we've been a bit complacent in that regard. Sometimes we err back and forth whether something is pure politics, or whether it's "big" enough to keep for a while.


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    #667
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Or perhaps the threads fulfil a function? And when they have fulfilled that function they are shunted off. Without ''political'' threads, as in threads that have a bite, something current, contentious, something worth checking out, the front page of Boards would be a fairly lame medley of boring whimsy.
    Maybe the agitation that so-called political threads (ie current affairs threads really, to be honest) cause AH mods is just the agitation that makes a lot of people have any interest in Boards at all?


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    #668
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Zorya wrote: »
    Or perhaps the threads fulfil a function? And when they have fulfilled that function they are shunted off. Without ''political'' threads, as in threads that have a bite, something current, contentious, something worth checking out, the front page of Boards would be a fairly lame medley of boring whimsy.
    Maybe the agitation that so-called political threads (ie current affairs threads really, to be honest) cause AH mods is just the agitation that makes a lot of people have any interest in Boards at all?

    AH isn't the front page. Why would they disappear off the front page (if PC functioned correctly that is)?


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    #669
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    AH isn't the front page. Why would they disappear off the front page (if PC functioned correctly that is)?

    The conjunction answers your question.


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    #670
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Well then the Politics Cafe should be fixed/merged/whatever. I don't know why you keep thinking After Hours mods are responsible for a forum we don't moderate.




    I've never said you were. The fact is the cafe is a place where threads go to die, and it detracts from AH when a lively thread is essentially dragged off and shot.


    pawwed rig wrote:
    If people are interested in the topics they can discuss them at will in PC.


    People are interested in the topic, but evidently have no wish to discuss it in the cafe.


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    #671
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Baggly wrote: »
    Start a thread about pokemon in the gardening forum.

    Thread moved to pokemon forum.

    Complain about it in gardening issues thread

    It isn't a gardening issue

    Rinse and repeat

    fair point in general. however i think what makes things different here is that political threads have been part of the forum for years with many users not knowing anything different as it is how it has always been since they have joined the site, with the solution that should have been to deal with those threads now essentially being a locked down ghost town where hardly anyone wants to post, or many can't as they don't have access and aren't going to request it.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #672
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I've never said you were. The fact is the cafe is a place where threads go to die, and it detracts from AH when a lively thread is essentially dragged off and shot.






    People are interested in the topic, but evidently have no wish to discuss it in the cafe.


    Because there is a higher standard required I suppose.


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    #673
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Because there is a higher standard required I suppose.




    ...in the cafe? Not as far as I'm aware. Politics forum there is, but I'd say threads have some chance of carrying on there due to the numbers posting. In any event leaving a thread to get a few hundred posts before deciding to fire it off yonder hurts AH.


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    #674
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I've never said you were. The fact is the cafe is a place where threads go to die, and it detracts from AH when a lively thread is essentially dragged off and shot.






    People are interested in the topic, but evidently have no wish to discuss it in the cafe.

    I'd argue that the threads mere existence detracts from AH.


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    #675
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Odhinn wrote: »
    People are interested in the topic, but evidently have no wish to discuss it in the cafe.

    I can't see how there is a difference where something is discussed tbh

    Anyway feedback taken with respect to moving threads more quickly.

    I would point out though that threads can grow quite large in AH in a very short period of time and mods are not always available so if you all could help by reporting the opening post of any thread that is better situated in PC then that would be greatly appreciated and will allow the mods to action them quicker.


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    #676
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    I'd argue that the threads mere existence detracts from AH.




    How so?


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    #677
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,837 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Odhinn wrote: »
    How so?
    I would certainly think partly because it encourages those wanting discussion of political issues in a forum that was never really designed for such discussion. As already pointed out Politics Cafe was created to take these threads away from AH

    I know we've been talking about a new Current Affairs type forum for some time. When it gets mentioned we find a large number of posters think it's a good idea but similar numbers are against it

    I think we need to revisit that as we've been prevaracating way too long on the idea


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    #678
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    You need to roll back on the restrictions that were placed on posting in PC. A good chunk of posters, if they didn’t have to get permission to post first, wouldn’t even notice that the thread had been moved. They’d continue posting away.

    The charter should probably be reviewed too. Irish water flowed out into the ocean a long time ago now.


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    #679
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    You need to roll back on the restrictions that were placed on posting in PC. A good chunk of posters, if they didn’t have to get permission to post first, wouldn’t even notice that the thread had been moved. They’d continue posting away.

    The charter should probably be reviewed too. Irish water flowed out into the ocean a long time ago now.

    What are you referring to in the charter about irish water?


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    #680
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    What are you referring to in the charter about irish water?

    Wasn’t all the bans, infractions and changes to the cafe made around the time of the Irish Water protests?


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    #681
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Wasn’t all the bans, infractions and changes to the cafe made around the time of the Irish Water protests?


    The charter doesn't refer to it


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    #682
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re missing the point. N’ermind.

    Back to forum games for me


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    #683
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Beasty wrote: »

    I think we need to revisit that as we've been prevaracating way too long on the idea

    Yes please.


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    #684
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,485 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    That's a fair complaint, we've been a bit complacent in that regard. Sometimes we err back and forth whether something is pure politics, or whether it's "big" enough to keep for a while.

    So you just openly admitted some political threads are ok if they are big enough, why only follow the rules sometimes?, that makes it even worse.


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    #685
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Some threads transcend politics due to their important to Irish life.


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    #686
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,458 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Baggly wrote: »
    Some threads transcend politics due to their important to Irish life.

    Bullshìt! If you move one then you move all! You dont wait a few week till the threadhas several hundred posts.


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    #687
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    Bullshìt! If you move one then you move all! You dont wait a few week till the threadhas several hundred posts.


    Agree to disagree?


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    #688
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Wasn’t all the bans, infractions and changes to the cafe made around the time of the Irish Water protests?

    The changes that were made to the PC had no direct connection to Irish Water. The changes were made because it was broadly felt that the standard of posting & discourse had led to it becoming a cesspit. The final straw was when a post appeared about firebombing a direct provision centre.


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    #689
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    The only way an AH style PC forum would work would be if it had the kind of moderation that AH has, which would mean that it would then be the cesspool. Otherwise it would just be another politics forum.


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    #690
    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Rule 1 of AH, Don't be a dick (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057770394). First thread I saw on homepage: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110351893, being a dick about travellers yet again (typical AH).

    Surely something more stringent can be done here?


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    #691
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,485 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    :confused:
    how does that fall foul of the rule?


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