Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

ghostfacekilla · 03-06-2019 12:16AM

They have the troubles tour in Belfast.

Who would want to lead a crumlin/drimnagh feud tour....or worse, the limerick feud. All the money in the world and they still manage to look like Rab C Nesbitt lookalikes

steve-collins · 03-06-2019 12:50AM

The country is awash with cocaine for **** sake. I went on a weekend to the Aran Islands a few months ago and had native Islandsrs asking me for Coke because I have a strong Dublin accent ffs and they were no older than 16.

orangerhyme · 03-06-2019 12:52AM

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

I used to sell a load of coke you’d be surprised whose taking it from 5th years to business owners. Once you hit 2nd year in uni people will only take coke no other drug does it they loose interest in the less harmful stuff like ecstasy

How much money were you making? If you don't mind me asking.
Is it really "easy money" as people say?
To me it seems difficult.
What's the profit margin on product? for example if you bought 10g wholesale and sold in 1gs.
I've heard xtc can be bought wholesale at 1 euro a pill and sold for 5 euro.
I'm not a garda or interested in entering the business, just curious

Jeff2 · 03-06-2019 01:11AM

orangerhyme wrote: »

How much money were you making? If you don't mind me asking.
Is it really "easy money" as people say?
To me it seems difficult.
What's the profit margin on product? for example if you bought 10g wholesale and sold in 1gs.
I've heard xtc can be bought wholesale at 1 euro a pill and sold for 5 euro.
I'm not a garda or interested in entering the business, just curious

You pm, ed me for the photos and ask many questions.

Strange, are you writing a book it or something.

orangerhyme · 03-06-2019 03:18AM

Jeff2 wrote: »

You pm, ed me for the photos and ask many questions.

Strange, are you writing a book it or something.

No, just curious.
Not garda or journalist

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 08:46AM

steve-collins wrote: »

The country is awash with cocaine for **** sake. I went on a weekend to the Aran Islands a few months ago and had native Islandsrs asking me for Coke because I have a strong Dublin accent ffs and they were no older than 16.

It can't be that awash if they are trying to score off tourists :pac:

Anecdotal I know but I don't think it's as epidemic as 10- 15 years ago. Back then it would be everywhere, today I'd have to call through a few people. Even in pubs you don't hear the same amount of hoovering in the next cubicle as you used to.

Then again I'm not as young as I was.

What is the story with crack? The media have been saying the epidemic is around the corner for 19 years now, has it really finally materialised? On two occasions in the last few weeks I've seen teenagers on the Luas and in town acting in a really bizarre, hyped manner, off it in a manner I've never seen before. I've never lived in a crack heavy community so I don't know what they really look like.

myshirt · 03-06-2019 08:58AM

orangerhyme wrote: »

No, just curious.
Not garda or journalist

This isn't a joke, nor is it for your entertainment.

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 09:11AM

Is this older Boylan fella a remnant of the Westies? The leader of one side of the Corduff feud is described as being a former member- did he get back in with them after one of the leaders shot him in the leg and beat his brother up?

It's an amazing run of luck for them really. I can think of nearly two dozen people who the media has named as members. Of those at least 10 are dead, four are strung out and one would have spent most of his best years in prison on a drug charge.

It's interesting to see that the sons of many of these people, now in their teens and early 20's, all seem to be connected today, and mostly full of the same ****e. They all seem to be friends yet according to some articles you would read, if you read between the lines at the hints given, some of the survivors were involved in whacking their dads. I wonder how that goes down in the paranoid backstabbing world these people inhabit.

orangerhyme · 03-06-2019 09:27AM

myshirt wrote: »

This isn't a joke, nor is it for your entertainment.

Never said it was

Odelay · 03-06-2019 09:27AM

myshirt wrote: »

This isn't a joke, nor is it for your entertainment.

Relax. It’s a discussion site. It’s not like the lads here are going to solve a crime or have any actual inside knowledge.

03-06-2019 09:29AM

i often find it both entertaining and amusing tbh

Danzy · 03-06-2019 09:32AM

It is entertaining.

Danzy · 03-06-2019 09:41AM

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Something fishy about latest shooting.
Why go for stomach and especially when it’s known your man wears a vest. I have a feeling this was planned. By the victim himself or the son.

To be that accurate would take a world class shot, a knowledge of anatomy to rival an anatomy professer and a target that would stay still while it was lined up.

Then you would need a lot of luck.

Collie D · 03-06-2019 09:41AM

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Something fishy about latest shooting.
Why go for stomach and especially when it’s known your man wears a vest. I have a feeling this was planned. By the victim himself or the son.

Why would anyone do that? Now it’s never happened to me but I would hazard a guess that the stomach is probably the worst place to be shot and survive.

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 09:45AM

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Something fishy about latest shooting.
Why go for stomach and especially when it’s known your man wears a vest. I have a feeling this was planned. By the victim himself or the son.

.........WHY?

What possible advantage would be gained.

And if for some loopy reason they did do this, why in a crowded area with the risk of strays being caught?

Was he wearing a vest at the time?

ChuckLarry · 03-06-2019 09:54AM

orangerhyme wrote: »

How much money were you making? If you don't mind me asking.
Is it really "easy money" as people say?
To me it seems difficult.
What's the profit margin on product? for example if you bought 10g wholesale and sold in 1gs.
I've heard xtc can be bought wholesale at 1 euro a pill and sold for 5 euro.
I'm not a garda or interested in entering the business, just curious

If you were a Garda I’d expect you to know prices etc so I’ll assume your not

I’m in no way involved in selling anything but I live in an area and grew up around a lot of it so

The dealers are a strange bunch in that they use both metric and imperial measurement, a lot of coke is sold in ounces (unless your big time and moving kilos) then broken down into grams

Last price I heard you could get an ounce for probably 1k at the cheapest but let’s say 1200

28g in an ounce
If you sold all 28g as gram bags (also known as 1er bags) you’d make 2800, however very few people are paying the full 100 in my experience most 1er bags are now in fact 80
28 times 80 is 2240 less your 1200 cost clears you a cool 1040

If you didn’t want the hassle of shifting 28 individual bags you could sell 4 quarters for roughly 400 each making you 1600, so not as a high a return obviously but you could get a deal done a lot quicker, or you could buy several ounces and do a combination of both

Then there’s where extra greed comes in with mixing it down i.e. buying an ounce of good stuff and adding 5g of ‘mix’ giving you 32+ g now, but if you take this too far you’ll have **** stuff and no repeat business, so it’s not as simple as people make out tbh, some lads will sell ****e cheaper or some lads will sell good stuff for lower margins and have higher turnover, A lot of them could benefit from some business and economics classes to improve their strategy

The Enbalmer · 03-06-2019 09:58AM

ClintPower wrote:

What is the story with crack? The media have been saying the epidemic is around the corner for 19 years now, has it really finally materialised? On two occasions in the last few weeks I've seen teenagers on the Luas and in town acting in a really bizarre, hyped manner, off it in a manner I've never seen before. I've never lived in a crack heavy community so I don't know what they really look like.

Usually crackheads are poly-drug users.
They will smoke crack during the day and then smoke heroin and swally pills in the evening to get to sleep.
For some reason irish junkies like a bit of shut eye unlike the meth tweaker in the US who will go for weeks without sleep.

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 10:01AM

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Usually crackheads are poly-drug users.
They will smoke crack during the day and then smoke heroin and swally pills in the evening to get to sleep.
For some reason irish junkies like a bit of shut eye unlike the meth tweaker in the US who will go for weeks without sleep.

It speaks volumes that someone who destroyed themselves with heroin from the 90's has no qualms introducing another disastrous drug into their lives when it comes on the scene.

The Enbalmer · 03-06-2019 10:03AM

A lot of crack is sold at O'Connell bridge and down at merchants arch. I've also heard of Roma gypsies selling small amounts but I dunno if they're doing it off their own bat or selling for other dealers

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 10:05AM

ChuckLarry wrote: »

28g in an ounce
If you sold all 28g as gram bags (also known as 1er bags) you’d make 2800, however very few people are paying the full 100 in my experience most 1er bags are now in fact 80
28 times 80 is 2240 less your 1200 cost clears you a cool 1040

Also have to factor in that a dealer's best customer is usually himself.

Anywhere between three and 10 bags per week might be going up his own nose, or/ and the missus.

blinding · 03-06-2019 10:05AM

ChuckLarry wrote: »

A lot of them could benefit from some business and economics classes to improve their strategy

Advice that killing is bad for business and that getting killed is seriously bad business .

I wonder how many of them could make it as legitimate entrepreneurs in other fields . Probably not many .

blinding · 03-06-2019 10:06AM

The Enbalmer wrote: »

A lot of crack is sold at O'Connell bridge and down at merchants arch. I've also heard of Roma gypsies selling small amounts but I dunno if they're doing it off their own bat or selling for other dealers

They really could do with a better class of girlfriend / wife !

Danzy · 03-06-2019 10:09AM

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Yes it’s known by anyone he’s associated with that he wears a vest 24/7. Now why go for him in a packed car park ? Rather than outside his house then go for the body when it’s known he wears a vest. The dude hasn’t a scratch on him.

Why wasn't it like the movies, seems to be your question?

blinding · 03-06-2019 10:09AM

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Yes it’s known by anyone he’s associated with that he wears a vest 24/7. Now why go for him in a packed car park ? Rather than outside his house then go for the body when it’s known he wears a vest. The dude hasn’t a scratch on him.

Any bullet holes ? Scratching is a slow way to kill but fun for some I guess .

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 10:10AM

ChuckLarry wrote: »

If you were a Garda I’d expect you to know prices etc so I’ll assume your not

I’m in no way involved in selling anything but I live in an area and grew up around a lot of it so

The dealers are a strange bunch in that they use both metric and imperial measurement, a lot of coke is sold in ounces (unless your big time and moving kilos) then broken down into grams

Last price I heard you could get an ounce for probably 1k at the cheapest but let’s say 1200

28g in an ounce
If you sold all 28g as gram bags (also known as 1er bags) you’d make 2800, however very few people are paying the full 100 in my experience most 1er bags are now in fact 80
28 times 80 is 2240 less your 1200 cost clears you a cool 1040

If you didn’t want the hassle of shifting 28 individual bags you could sell 4 quarters for roughly 400 each making you 1600, so not as a high a return obviously but you could get a deal done a lot quicker, or you could buy several ounces and do a combination of both

Then there’s where extra greed comes in with mixing it down i.e. buying an ounce of good stuff and adding 5g of ‘mix’ giving you 32+ g now, but if you take this too far you’ll have **** stuff and no repeat business, so it’s not as simple as people make out tbh, some lads will sell ****e cheaper or some lads will sell good stuff for lower margins and have higher turnover, A lot of them could benefit from some business and economics classes to improve their strategy

What's the bulk costs on weed, yokes and heroin these days? I think a 9 bar of hash was 500 way back when but I can't properly remember. Is it more now with the hash being pollen?

Think yokes were 2 a pop when retail price was a fiver although that would depend on who you asked. Think they're often knocked out for a tenner or three for 20 now, depends who you talk to.

Is there any reliable statistics on how many kilos, pills and 50's or weed are shifted in this country on a weekly basis?

Tommy Kelly · 03-06-2019 10:13AM

ClintPower wrote: »

Also have to factor in that a dealer's best customer is usually himself.

Anywhere between three and 10 bags per week might be going up his own nose, or/ and the missus.

Yep & before he has it mixed too, always a few spongers or so called mates hanging around them as well.

Truth is the lads knocking out the g's are making fck all. It's the boys knocking out the ounces plus that's laughing and from experience them lads seem to be able to not bother taking it or at the very least control themselves. The lads with the women who's in the Nail & Beauty business & breed show quality staffordshire bull terriers & pocket bullies themselves etc.

ClintPower · 03-06-2019 10:15AM

Tommy Kelly wrote: »

. The lads with the women who's in the Nail & Beauty business.

Meaning what, mostly cash, front operation? He drives a car "she" bought for him from her successful business?

Bigmac1euro · 03-06-2019 10:16AM

Danzy wrote: »

Why wasn't it like the movies, seems to be your question?

Indeed. Thinking now there’s no way it was done purposely it was a failed attempt.

_blaaz · 03-06-2019 10:18AM

ClintPower wrote: »

Meaning what, mostly cash, front operation? He drives a car "she" bought for him from her successful business?

Meaning that industry deos tend to attract a certain type from my experience

orangerhyme · 03-06-2019 10:23AM

ChuckLarry wrote: »

If you were a Garda I’d expect you to know prices etc so I’ll assume your not

I’m in no way involved in selling anything but I live in an area and grew up around a lot of it so

The dealers are a strange bunch in that they use both metric and imperial measurement, a lot of coke is sold in ounces (unless your big time and moving kilos) then broken down into grams

Last price I heard you could get an ounce for probably 1k at the cheapest but let’s say 1200

28g in an ounce
If you sold all 28g as gram bags (also known as 1er bags) you’d make 2800, however very few people are paying the full 100 in my experience most 1er bags are now in fact 80
28 times 80 is 2240 less your 1200 cost clears you a cool 1040

If you didn’t want the hassle of shifting 28 individual bags you could sell 4 quarters for roughly 400 each making you 1600, so not as a high a return obviously but you could get a deal done a lot quicker, or you could buy several ounces and do a combination of both

Then there’s where extra greed comes in with mixing it down i.e. buying an ounce of good stuff and adding 5g of ‘mix’ giving you 32+ g now, but if you take this too far you’ll have **** stuff and no repeat business, so it’s not as simple as people make out tbh, some lads will sell ****e cheaper or some lads will sell good stuff for lower margins and have higher turnover, A lot of them could benefit from some business and economics classes to improve their strategy

Thanks for that, found it interesting. I'm from Kerry so this is alien to me.

Also, let's say regarding the hierarchy:

Would the cartel supply a Mr Flashy type with lets say 20kgs for maybe 300,000.

He distributes to his guys in various parts of the city or country. His guy in Blanch gets 2 or 3 KGS. Likewise Coolock, Swords and so on would get a couple of KGS. Maybe they pay 20,000 /kg.

Then these guys distribute it in 125g (1/2 bar), or 250g (9bar)bags to other guys who pay 7,000 for 250g or 4,000 for 125g.

Then these guys might sell in 28g bags (ounces)for 1200 as you've said.

Then the street dealer is selling 1g bags or 3.5gs (8 ball).
So there's maybe 5 levels in Ireland approximately.

I'm aware the above is riddled with mistakes but you get the idea.

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