Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Border Broadcaster

Voltex wrote: »

Why do you think Big is behind this?

A close pal of Big was originally suspected but that rumour has since been scrapped. Mr. big gets the blame for a lot of things as he is a smooth worker and people like to be associated with him and use his name as a defence mechanism.

El_Bee

Dante7 wrote: »

Dubai has always struck me as a strange bolt hole for the Kinahans. Drug trafficking in the UAE merits the death penalty.

for street level dealers maybe, no matter where you are in the world money talks.

El_Bee

Border Broadcaster wrote: »

A close pal of Big was originally suspected but that rumour has since been scrapped. Mr. big gets the blame for a lot of things as he is a smooth worker and people like to be associated with him and use his name as a defence mechanism.

I'd imagine quite a lot of these guys have people adding them on facebook so they can say the "know" them.

Wheeliebin30

Only way to smash these gangs is with informants and plenty of money.

It worked with the PIRA.

Cash is king.

Border Broadcaster

El_Bee wrote: »

I'd imagine quite a lot of these guys have people adding them on facebook so they can say the "know" them.

I would imagine so, knowing someone in a heavy gang means alot to these lads

Border Broadcaster

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Only way to smash these gangs is with informants and plenty of money.

It worked with the PIRA.

Cash is king.

They are willing to kill if the even get the smell of an informant, gardai won't be willing to take that risk

Wheeliebin30

Border Broadcaster wrote: »

They are willing to kill if the even get the smell of an informant, gardai won't be willing to take that risk

They already have informers but they need to step it up.

It’s the only way.

Random Bloke

Annd9 wrote: »

But that is simply not going to happen , humans have been taking mind altering substances for thousands of years .
It is a very difficult problem to solve , legislation of softer substances is an obvious option but what you do about the likes of crack, meth etc is anyone's guess .

If the problem is ever to be sorted, there will have to be much greater deterrent to "recreational drug usage". Such users are a very big cog in the wheel that results in the human misery elsewhere, and not just in Ireland. At the moment the deterrents are not sufficient. Much bigger, automatic, fines would be a good start - in any event these people need to pay a fairer share of the cost of their habit. Naming and shaming too - they need to be more aware of the fact that there is a direct connection between their habit and the human misery they create.
We probably don't have enough jail space for them, but financial and reputational penalties would definitely help.
An advertising campaign highlighting the consequences of recreational drug usage on other lives could also assist, and it would lay the groundwork for a tougher punishment regime for offenders.
One for the politicians!

Border Broadcaster

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

They already have informers but they need to step it up.

It’s the only way.

Even more dangerous then the game itself

ghostfacekilla

Random Bloke wrote: »

If the problem is ever to be sorted, there will have to be much greater deterrent to "recreational drug usage". Such users are a very big cog in the wheel that results in the human misery elsewhere, and not just in Ireland. At the moment the deterrents are not sufficient. Much bigger, automatic, fines would be a good start - in any event these people need to pay a fairer share of the cost of their habit. Naming and shaming too - they need to be more aware of the fact that there is a direct connection between their habit and the human misery they create.
We probably don't have enough jail space for them, but financial and reputational penalties would definitely help.
An advertising campaign highlighting the consequences of recreational drug usage on other lives could also assist, and it would lay the groundwork for a tougher punishment regime for offenders.
One for the politicians!

Addiction is most likely a genetic illness which the addict is powerless over.

Maybe we should fine cancer sufferers too.

Wheeliebin30

ghostfacekilla wrote: »

Addiction is most likely a genetic illness which the addict is powerless over.

Maybe we should fine cancer sufferers too.

You dint choose cancer.

You choose drugs.

Silly comparison.

casual users arent killing people

fellas with guns shooting people are killing people

being able to link the two doesnt make you a genius, it makes you a soundbite pusher

the illegality and profitability of the trade is what creates the culture of violent criminality

if you want to moralise about drug use, do so. if you want to address gang violence, that aint it chief

shutup

ghostfacekilla wrote: »

Addiction is most likely a genetic illness which the addict is powerless over.

Maybe we should fine cancer sufferers too.

😂
Hope that post is a joke!

pnecilcaser

CeilingFly wrote: »

No-one gives two hoots when scum murder scum.

Only person really interested is paul Williams so that his hysterical sensationalist assessments can be on every news broadcast on Newstalk.

Means radio one for me tomorrow.

That may be so but I live near the area and it disgusts me to think that the level of violence is becoming acceptable and common place. Innocent people have gotten killed in the past when "scum murder scum"

STB.

ghostfacekilla wrote: »

Addiction is most likely a genetic illness which the addict is powerless over.

Highly addictive drugs do not require a genetic predisposition.

Legalising certain "drugs" like cannabis would free up a lot of Garda time. The real drugs that are highly addictive and the dealers that cash in on their misery could then be tackled adequately.

Amirani

Random Bloke wrote: »

If the problem is ever to be sorted, there will have to be much greater deterrent to "recreational drug usage". Such users are a very big cog in the wheel that results in the human misery elsewhere, and not just in Ireland. At the moment the deterrents are not sufficient. Much bigger, automatic, fines would be a good start - in any event these people need to pay a fairer share of the cost of their habit. Naming and shaming too - they need to be more aware of the fact that there is a direct connection between their habit and the human misery they create.
We probably don't have enough jail space for them, but financial and reputational penalties would definitely help.
An advertising campaign highlighting the consequences of recreational drug usage on other lives could also assist, and it would lay the groundwork for a tougher punishment regime for offenders.
One for the politicians!

So much naivety in this post.

Many countries around the world have followed your suggestions, to varying levels of severity. No notable success.

Gadgetman496

Mr. Big's real name is readily thrown out there in media reports relating to cases. It's the nickname that is omitted when reporting about him not his real name.

lotmc

Amirani wrote: »

So much naivety in this post.

Many countries around the world have followed your suggestions, to varying levels of severity. No notable success.

Really. Are you proposing to do nothing and hope the problem goes away? Well, it won’t.

And as long as there is a tolerance for recreational drug use, there will be producers, importers, dealers, gangs, murders, human misery.

I am not saying that tougher laws will fix the problem, but they will certainly help.

There is a perception that there is a big disconnect between the recreational side of the drug industry and the gangland stuff. As a nation, if we want to tackle the gangland stuff, we need to get much tougher in not just the supply side, but also the demand side. And to pretend that the demand side only features helpless addicts is where the real naivety exists.

Border Broadcaster

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Mr. Big's real name is readily thrown out there in media reports relating to cases. It's the nickname that is omitted when reporting about him not his real name.

He seems to be a fairly quiet operator. Heard of a few people living around the border region after fleeing Dublin when there cronies Vinnie and Alan Ryan were murdered. Lots of people around saying they can't return to Dublin as long as Mr Big is in it?

ghostfacekilla

STB. wrote: »

Highly addictive drugs do not require a genetic predisposition.

Legalising certain "drugs" like cannabis would free up a lot of Garda time. The real drugs that are highly addictive and the dealers that cash in on their misery could then be tackled adequately.

I totally agree with all points made.

BlueBaron

threeball wrote: »

As soon as you legalise the less harmful stuff the crime gangs will move on the next thing that isn't legal. Right now they're happy enough selling cannabis, cocaine and heroin but legalise cannabis and cocaine then heroin, crack and meth sales will be boosted as that's what the gangs will move to selling.

And where is the evidence to supports this ?

ChikiChiki

Deleted User wrote: »

casual users arent killing people

fellas with guns shooting people are killing people

being able to link the two doesnt make you a genius, it makes you a soundbite pusher

the illegality and profitability of the trade is what creates the culture of violent criminality

if you want to moralise about drug use, do so. if you want to address gang violence, that aint it chief

If there was no market for the drugs there would he no dealers, no cartels no warfare over who has control of what area. It's pretty simple.

El Horseboxo

threeball wrote: »

As soon as you legalise the less harmful stuff the crime gangs will move on the next thing that isn't legal. Right now they're happy enough selling cannabis, cocaine and heroin but legalise cannabis and cocaine then heroin, crack and meth sales will be boosted as that's what the gangs will move to selling.

The user base of cannabis and cocaine is a lot different to those taking heroin, crack or meth. The market for them is never going to be as big as the likes of weed or party drugs. They're also cheaper to produce. So profits are never going to be comparable to those of weed or cocaine. Right now, there's a lot of money to be made and its attractive for people to deal. They can make a quick and relatively easy bit of coin. But when they run into debts, problems starts and you can end up with killings. I don't see the same demand there for the more life altering drugs. Which would mean it being less attractive to deal. Obviously they would still be sold and some would be involved. But the same level won't simply shift.

Squidgy Black

It's interesting that any of the shootings over the Northside have been almost clinical and ended up in deaths, but the past 4 shootings out in Blanch/Mulhuddart have been two injured and two incidents with nobody hit. Yet Little, Davis, Parker and Sanambar were all more or less instant deaths after being shot in the head.

IvoryTower

Every shooting in Drogheda has been botched as well, there's a market there to teach scumbags how to shoot it seems

Border Broadcaster

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's interesting that any of the shootings over the Northside have been almost clinical and ended up in deaths, but the past 4 shootings out in Blanch/Mulhuddart have been two injured and two incidents with nobody hit. Yet Little, Davis, Parker and Sanambar were all more or less instant deaths after being shot in the head.

More profit on one side than the other meaning one can source better shooters maybe?

imme

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

My friend just had his front and back number plates stolen in the last hour

Lives Northside

Drives a 14 year old Common banger

Could be used for a number of jobs.

I'd report it to the Garda if it happened to me, not saying that your friend hasn't.

Border Broadcaster

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's interesting that any of the shootings over the Northside have been almost clinical and ended up in deaths, but the past 4 shootings out in Blanch/Mulhuddart have been two injured and two incidents with nobody hit. Yet Little, Davis, Parker and Sanambar were all more or less instant deaths after being shot in the head.

More profit on one side than the other meaning one can source better shooters maybe?

blinding

IvoryTower wrote: »

Every shooting in Drogheda has been botched as well, there's a market there to teach scumbags how to shoot it seems

Somebody should be supplying reverse firing guns to them .

No down side .

El_Bee

love the people stumbling over themselves to justify their bit of coke they take on the weekends (plus a few times during the week just to keep a head on), you're putting money in these people's pockets, end of.

P.S. most of us are wearing clothes made in sweatshops and eating food grown using incredibly unethical standards, make your peace with it, but don't lie to yourselves or others.