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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Who called the meeting of all the lords? Tyion was a prisoner and we can assume Greyworm locked up Jon too after killing Dany. Greyworm, the unsullied and the dothraki don't seem like the type of people to wait around for weeks to have a big meeting especially when they have the killer of their queen locked up.

    This is especially obvious when Greyworm was murdering captured Lanister soldiers despite Tyrion's objections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    I like that he's gone north to live with the Wildlings.

    Is he not just escorting them North as work is quiet enough at Castle Black at the moment? Just passing the time until the next batch of scumbags arrive to rebuild the wall. They don't really need to train fighters anymore.
    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    The only problem I have with her becoming Queen in the North is that Yara should've thrown a b!tch fit and demanded independence.

    Yara has nothing to bargain with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    RickBlaine wrote: »
    Who called the meeting of all the lords? Tyion was a prisoner and we can assume Greyworm locked up Jon too after killing Dany. Greyworm, the unsullied and the dothraki don't seem like the type of people to wait around for weeks to have a big meeting especially when they have the killer of their queen locked up.

    This is especially obvious when Greyworm was murdering captured Lanister soldiers despite Tyrion's objections.

    I'm sure the north men or Arya would send a raven back to Winterfell as soon as Rob is captured. Sansa alone has a relationship with all the main lords, aside from Dorne, so I'd suspect it wouldn't be that difficult.

    You second point is valid though, I think it would have been better for Jon to have escaped and arrived back with the Lords to negotiate for KL and Tyrion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Really weird after a time of such conflict they choose the one person that can't produce an heir. Just like the lost Finale I found it okay, disappointing I guess compared to previous seasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,035 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Tyrion wrote:

    I've had nothing to do but think these past few weeks, about our bloody history - the mistakes we made.

    What unites people? - Armies? .....Gold?..... Flags?...... stories!

    There is nothing in the world more powerful than a good story, nothing can stop it, no enemy can defeat it etc etc etc

    This sums it up for me. In what i feel was one of the worst scenes in the entire show where they are all gathered. Tyrion delivers a speech that almost rubs it in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    well that was sh1t.
    and bronn just appears at the small council just like that.

    My kids could have written a better essay that that season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Really weird after a time of such conflict they choose the one person that can't produce an heir.

    Thought they explained pretty well that this was a positive thing rather than a problem. They were bringing in a form of democracy, where the throne would no longer go to the child of the king. This is much easier to do when Bran won't have kids so there wont be a risk of having a Joffrey that might try to claim power.

    It was very sound of Sansa to bring up Bran's 'issues' in front of a big group of lords :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    paw patrol wrote: »
    well that was sh1t.
    and bronn just appears at the small council just like that.

    My kids could have written a better essay that that season.

    As master of coin no less. The thing he's least qualified to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Really weird after a time of such conflict they choose the one person that can't produce an heir.

    Do we know this for a fact? I mean Stephen Hawking managed it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Thought they explained pretty well that this was a positive thing rather than a problem. They were bringing in a form of democracy, where the throne would no longer go to the child of the king. This is much easier to do when Bran won't have kids so there wont be a risk of having a Joffrey that might try to claim power.

    It was very sound of Sansa to bring up Bran's 'issues' in front of a big group of lords :pac:

    I get your point but why not just have 7 separate kingdoms then. Just seemed a messy situation


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Sparko


    I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    As master of coin no less. The thing he's least qualified to do.

    That is such a massive contrivance. Nonsense really. I think I heard Bran saying that the master of war position is still vacant. That position would have made more sense for Bronn. He probably learned a few things from Jaime along the way commanding the Lanister armies.

    I'm sorry but it seems like another example of the writers putting only the minimal of thought into this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sparko wrote: »
    I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?
    She was just listing off colours!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Absolute rubbish

    Dragon should have scorched Jon
    Then grey worm or the dorthraki should have slaughtered Jon and completely unbelievable the would be allowed go free

    Tyroion punishment is he gets his old job back

    Absolute dog **** season adpnd to think we waited two years for six episodes of septic television


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    RickBlaine wrote: »
    That is such a massive contrivance. Nonsense really. I think I heard Bran saying that the master of war position is still vacant. That position would have made more sense for Bronn. He probably learned a few things from Jaime along the way commanding the Lanister armies.

    I'm sorry but it seems like another example of the writers putting only the minimal of thought into this season.

    Bronn does say once or maybe twice in two previous episodes he’s done with fighting and killing. Seemed done with all to do with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,473 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    for a moment i thought they weren't going to let jon out of tyrion's jail cell.


    did dani want jon to kill her otherwise she would have told greyworm about her fears...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I get your point but why not just have 7 separate kingdoms then. Just seemed a messy situation

    Because if all houses approve a single 'good' king to be in charge then they are less likely to go to war than if there are 7 separate kings vying for territory or resources. Sansa obviously made things awkward with her demand, but the north probably makes the most sense to be independent even if it wasnt explained well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot





    Tyroion punishment is he gets his old job back

    I know this has been brought by a few other posters and I been thinking a lot about the different goings on in this finale

    Maybe I'm getting forgetful in my old age but I think it's been alluded to on more than one occasion that Tyrion is better as a Hand during peace than he is at war? So maybe that's why he's got the job now that the war is over?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Sparko wrote: »
    I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?

    Littlefinger is supposed to have green eyes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    Sparko wrote: »
    I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?

    When Melisandre was saying that to Ayra , it was no relation to any prophecy at all. She was just listing eye colors of people she would kill. Absolutely no relation to Cersei or White Walkers at all.

    I enjoyed the last episode, thought it was quite a fitting ending.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Honestly as someone who has generally - despite finding it very watchable - shat over this season for it's outrageously simplified story telling, plot conveniences, square-peg-round-hole machinations, crap character development, rushed writing, weak dialogue, character assassinations, and all the rest....

    I found that finale decent and satisfying enough. Once Benioff and Wiess shed the CGI-spectacle-cloak, some half-decent passable dialogue magically reappeared. Where the **** was this in E03, E04 and E05?

    Have to laugh as well at Tyrion literally vocalising to Jon the discontent that critics had of E05 in regards to Dany's past motivations not at all tallying with her decision to raze Kings Landing.

    So, not perfect, not brilliant, not even particularly great, but perfectly OK. I didn't hate it, and I really expected that I would. How they arrived at the finale will always be a major bug-bear for me, but the finale in isolation is not bad at all.

    Look, they sure could have scripted it better. The entire season, to me, was an utter shambles and hot mess that progressed like GRRM's bullet points expanded by CGI and spectacle, rather than actually make any attempt to join the dots and do the franchise the justice it deserved.

    But that finale was still OK. Rushed as hell, and a ton of emotional notes completely failed to hit the mark (eg "Oh, Daenerys is dead, cool"), but the fundemental end for the majority of characters was OK.

    I still feel outrageously cheated by the season - by the poor writing; but all it could have been; by the horrendously rushed nature of S7 and S8; by the dwindle of such a clever, intricate, complex and multi-layered show into a classic popcorn "good vs evil" spectacle that offer zero homage to the source material.

    But look, that finale was not horrible, and there was, at the very end, a distinct whiff of Game of Thrones about the end-game for most characters, even if the show didn't earn those ends as it should have.

    As one of this seasons most fierce critics - and again, that's not to say I didn't take enjoyment from it - the finale managed to cross the finish line better than I expected based on E04 and E05. The fact is was so horribly rushed really takes away from it, but it was pretty OK.

    Edit: major brownie points for Jon actually petting Ghost; Brienne completing Jaimes entry in the ledger. Those both really swung me around to liking it, simple man as I am to please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭munster87


    ‘I know a killer when I see one’
    Really, you spotted it after she killed almost the entire city!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Why was the decision taken to rush the ending? They gave it 2 years to finish, I don’t get why they rushed a show they didn’t need to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭eric hoone


    Jon Snow didn't want to be king though so he got what he wanted in life and seemed happy to be heading north to be with the wildlings. I'd argue it's the perfect ending for him.

    He's taking over from uncle Benjen maybe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    So the whole John snow lineage story had zero bearing on the outcome


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,346 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Why was the decision taken to rush the ending? They gave it 2 years to finish, I don’t get why they rushed a show they didn’t need to.
    It's been said that HBO were open to full 10 episode seasons 8 and 9 to wrap it up but the showrunners have signed on to do a trilogy of Star Wars movies. They wanted to get this done as quick as possible and move on to that. The whole "We had a 73 hour story planned for years" is utter nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Just watched it
    **** your spoilers. Biggest pile of ****e ending ever. Years of that to end in bollocks

    Star Wars can go **** it self


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    Wow, that was absolutely hilarious. I genuinely wondered a couple of times if they'd filmed a spoof alternate version and I'd somehow ended up watching that instead.

    So many ridiculous moments in the first half, all style over substance, and then ..... nothing much really. Had been joking beforehand about which endings from other shows would be reused, but didn't actually expect any. Then got the Dexter ending for
    Dany, body whisked off into the storm
    , Lord of the Rings ending for Jon saying goodbye to his siblings/Arya off into the sunset, and fairly sure there was another I've forgotten.
    Still slightly disappointed it didn't end with Catelyn Stark waking up and finding Ned in the shower.

    King Bran the Inscrutable might have been a better name. Can see his governing style causing problems in the future.
    "Should we sent troops to put down the rebellion in Dorne"
    - Why do you think I became your King?
    "No seriously, we need a straight answer"
    - I'm off to warg into a dragon, work it out yourself

    At least I'd given up earlier in the season, so got some amusement value out of it. Glad the nonsense is over though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    So the whole John snow lineage story had zero bearing on the outcome

    Turned out to be a plot device to try to make Dany's decent to madness plausible. Load of nonsense. As someone else said earlier if you ever rewatch this in the future best to stop at the Season 6 finale.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Alpha_zero


    Aegon Targaryen will rise when Drogon come back, but will have to eat ghost.


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