"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

ctrl-alt-delete · 20-05-2019 06:38PM

Tyrion wrote:

I've had nothing to do but think these past few weeks, about our bloody history - the mistakes we made.

What unites people? - Armies? .....Gold?..... Flags?...... stories!

There is nothing in the world more powerful than a good story, nothing can stop it, no enemy can defeat it etc etc etc

This sums it up for me. In what i feel was one of the worst scenes in the entire show where they are all gathered. Tyrion delivers a speech that almost rubs it in.

paw patrol · 20-05-2019 06:42PM

well that was sh1t.
and bronn just appears at the small council just like that.

My kids could have written a better essay that that season.

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 06:49PM

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Really weird after a time of such conflict they choose the one person that can't produce an heir.

Thought they explained pretty well that this was a positive thing rather than a problem. They were bringing in a form of democracy, where the throne would no longer go to the child of the king. This is much easier to do when Bran won't have kids so there wont be a risk of having a Joffrey that might try to claim power.

It was very sound of Sansa to bring up Bran's 'issues' in front of a big group of lords :pac:

Twenty Grand · 20-05-2019 06:50PM

paw patrol wrote: »

well that was sh1t.
and bronn just appears at the small council just like that.

My kids could have written a better essay that that season.

As master of coin no less. The thing he's least qualified to do.

Loafing Oaf · 20-05-2019 06:50PM

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Really weird after a time of such conflict they choose the one person that can't produce an heir.

Do we know this for a fact? I mean Stephen Hawking managed it...

Sudden Valley · 20-05-2019 06:53PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Thought they explained pretty well that this was a positive thing rather than a problem. They were bringing in a form of democracy, where the throne would no longer go to the child of the king. This is much easier to do when Bran won't have kids so there wont be a risk of having a Joffrey that might try to claim power.

It was very sound of Sansa to bring up Bran's 'issues' in front of a big group of lords :pac:

I get your point but why not just have 7 separate kingdoms then. Just seemed a messy situation

Sparko · 20-05-2019 06:54PM

I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?

RickBlaine · 20-05-2019 06:55PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

As master of coin no less. The thing he's least qualified to do.

That is such a massive contrivance. Nonsense really. I think I heard Bran saying that the master of war position is still vacant. That position would have made more sense for Bronn. He probably learned a few things from Jaime along the way commanding the Lanister armies.

I'm sorry but it seems like another example of the writers putting only the minimal of thought into this season.

is_that_so · 20-05-2019 06:59PM

Sparko wrote: »

I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?

She was just listing off colours!

brendanwalsh · 20-05-2019 06:59PM

Absolute rubbish

Dragon should have scorched Jon
Then grey worm or the dorthraki should have slaughtered Jon and completely unbelievable the would be allowed go free

Tyroion punishment is he gets his old job back

Absolute dog **** season adpnd to think we waited two years for six episodes of septic television

Stop moaning ffs · 20-05-2019 07:00PM

RickBlaine wrote: »

That is such a massive contrivance. Nonsense really. I think I heard Bran saying that the master of war position is still vacant. That position would have made more sense for Bronn. He probably learned a few things from Jaime along the way commanding the Lanister armies.

I'm sorry but it seems like another example of the writers putting only the minimal of thought into this season.

Bronn does say once or maybe twice in two previous episodes he’s done with fighting and killing. Seemed done with all to do with it.

expectationlost · 20-05-2019 07:01PM

for a moment i thought they weren't going to let jon out of tyrion's jail cell.

did dani want jon to kill her otherwise she would have told greyworm about her fears...

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 07:05PM

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I get your point but why not just have 7 separate kingdoms then. Just seemed a messy situation

Because if all houses approve a single 'good' king to be in charge then they are less likely to go to war than if there are 7 separate kings vying for territory or resources. Sansa obviously made things awkward with her demand, but the north probably makes the most sense to be independent even if it wasnt explained well.

Hercule Poirot · 20-05-2019 07:05PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Tyroion punishment is he gets his old job back

I know this has been brought by a few other posters and I been thinking a lot about the different goings on in this finale

Maybe I'm getting forgetful in my old age but I think it's been alluded to on more than one occasion that Tyrion is better as a Hand during peace than he is at war? So maybe that's why he's got the job now that the war is over?

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 07:08PM

Sparko wrote: »

I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?

Littlefinger is supposed to have green eyes

GottaGetGatt · 20-05-2019 07:26PM

Sparko wrote: »

I guess the green eyes part of Arya's prophecy remains unresolved then?

When Melisandre was saying that to Ayra , it was no relation to any prophecy at all. She was just listing eye colors of people she would kill. Absolutely no relation to Cersei or White Walkers at all.

I enjoyed the last episode, thought it was quite a fitting ending.

TerrorFirmer · 20-05-2019 07:27PM

Honestly as someone who has generally - despite finding it very watchable - shat over this season for it's outrageously simplified story telling, plot conveniences, square-peg-round-hole machinations, crap character development, rushed writing, weak dialogue, character assassinations, and all the rest....

I found that finale decent and satisfying enough. Once Benioff and Wiess shed the CGI-spectacle-cloak, some half-decent passable dialogue magically reappeared. Where the **** was this in E03, E04 and E05?

Have to laugh as well at Tyrion literally vocalising to Jon the discontent that critics had of E05 in regards to Dany's past motivations not at all tallying with her decision to raze Kings Landing.

So, not perfect, not brilliant, not even particularly great, but perfectly OK. I didn't hate it, and I really expected that I would. How they arrived at the finale will always be a major bug-bear for me, but the finale in isolation is not bad at all.

Look, they sure could have scripted it better. The entire season, to me, was an utter shambles and hot mess that progressed like GRRM's bullet points expanded by CGI and spectacle, rather than actually make any attempt to join the dots and do the franchise the justice it deserved.

But that finale was still OK. Rushed as hell, and a ton of emotional notes completely failed to hit the mark (eg "Oh, Daenerys is dead, cool"), but the fundemental end for the majority of characters was OK.

I still feel outrageously cheated by the season - by the poor writing; but all it could have been; by the horrendously rushed nature of S7 and S8; by the dwindle of such a clever, intricate, complex and multi-layered show into a classic popcorn "good vs evil" spectacle that offer zero homage to the source material.

But look, that finale was not horrible, and there was, at the very end, a distinct whiff of Game of Thrones about the end-game for most characters, even if the show didn't earn those ends as it should have.

As one of this seasons most fierce critics - and again, that's not to say I didn't take enjoyment from it - the finale managed to cross the finish line better than I expected based on E04 and E05. The fact is was so horribly rushed really takes away from it, but it was pretty OK.

Edit: major brownie points for Jon actually petting Ghost; Brienne completing Jaimes entry in the ledger. Those both really swung me around to liking it, simple man as I am to please.

munster87 · 20-05-2019 07:30PM

‘I know a killer when I see one’
Really, you spotted it after she killed almost the entire city!?

Drumpot · 20-05-2019 07:32PM

Why was the decision taken to rush the ending? They gave it 2 years to finish, I don’t get why they rushed a show they didn’t need to.

eric hoone · 20-05-2019 07:35PM

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Jon Snow didn't want to be king though so he got what he wanted in life and seemed happy to be heading north to be with the wildlings. I'd argue it's the perfect ending for him.

He's taking over from uncle Benjen maybe

c.p.w.g.w · 20-05-2019 07:43PM

So the whole John snow lineage story had zero bearing on the outcome

J. Marston · 20-05-2019 07:44PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Why was the decision taken to rush the ending? They gave it 2 years to finish, I don’t get why they rushed a show they didn’t need to.

It's been said that HBO were open to full 10 episode seasons 8 and 9 to wrap it up but the showrunners have signed on to do a trilogy of Star Wars movies. They wanted to get this done as quick as possible and move on to that. The whole "We had a 73 hour story planned for years" is utter nonsense.

0ph0rce0 · 20-05-2019 07:46PM

Just watched it
**** your spoilers. Biggest pile of ****e ending ever. Years of that to end in bollocks

Star Wars can go **** it self

MOH · 20-05-2019 07:49PM

Wow, that was absolutely hilarious. I genuinely wondered a couple of times if they'd filmed a spoof alternate version and I'd somehow ended up watching that instead.

So many ridiculous moments in the first half, all style over substance, and then ..... nothing much really. Had been joking beforehand about which endings from other shows would be reused, but didn't actually expect any. Then got the Dexter ending for

Dany, body whisked off into the storm

, Lord of the Rings ending for Jon saying goodbye to his siblings/Arya off into the sunset, and fairly sure there was another I've forgotten.
Still slightly disappointed it didn't end with Catelyn Stark waking up and finding Ned in the shower.

King Bran the Inscrutable might have been a better name. Can see his governing style causing problems in the future.
"Should we sent troops to put down the rebellion in Dorne"
- Why do you think I became your King?
"No seriously, we need a straight answer"
- I'm off to warg into a dragon, work it out yourself

At least I'd given up earlier in the season, so got some amusement value out of it. Glad the nonsense is over though.

namloc1980 · 20-05-2019 07:50PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

So the whole John snow lineage story had zero bearing on the outcome

Turned out to be a plot device to try to make Dany's decent to madness plausible. Load of nonsense. As someone else said earlier if you ever rewatch this in the future best to stop at the Season 6 finale.

Alpha_zero · 20-05-2019 07:54PM

Aegon Targaryen will rise when Drogon come back, but will have to eat ghost.

expectationlost · 20-05-2019 07:56PM

J. Marston wrote: »

It's been said that HBO were open to full 10 episode seasons 8 and 9 to wrap it up but the showrunners have signed on to do a trilogy of Star Wars movies. They wanted to get this done as quick as possible and move on to that. The whole "We had a 73 hour story planned for years" is utter nonsense.

they knew they were doing star wars in 2015?

average hero · 20-05-2019 07:57PM

As a stand alone episode, it was enjoyable enough.

As an ending to a series that I have loved for years - pathetic.

It wasn't what the writers did but how they did it. Everything was rushed. They went for style over substance with some of the battles and set pieces. Interestingly, I think it started going downhill when Littlefinger was killed. He was a great character and was central to a lot of the scheming and politicing which made GoT great.

Overall I am quite disappointed in the final series. I can suspend disbelief with the best of 'em, but where did those Dothraki and Unsullied come from?! They were chillin' out during the Battle of Winterfell?! The sudden death of Dani was also very unsatisfying. It wasn't surprising, just unfulfilling. I felt that way about the Lannister's undoing too.

Overall, I'm sadly disappointed.

Jon gets brownie points for petting Ghost though

biggebruv · 20-05-2019 07:59PM

Overall I’m happy enough with that ending I knew it was always gonna be a wrap up episode ending

The drogon scene was stunning though I just wished we could have got one more scene showing where he was flying off too

Maybe we could get a return season in about 10 years time like Tyrion said lol

Jon snow finds something else beyond the wall after years of peace
Bran is not all he seems in kings landing
Dany has been resurrected and comes back to Westeros with drogon pissed looking for Jon snow lol

RollieFingers · 20-05-2019 08:01PM

Just watched it...all things considered and how the last few seasons have gone I actually thought that was pretty good. I wasn't sure when they made Bran king initially but I don't know now, I don't hate the idea anyway, seems like as good a choice as any of those present. The last two episodes saved the season for me from being a total shi*show, still glad it's over though, even though it was rushed I think GOT has run it's course.

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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