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The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

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    #992
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,985 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Travellers don’t want a race track. They want to race on roads where they want, when they want

    We need to build a skulky racing stadium beside every halting site. And a bare knuckle boxing ring. It's only right.


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    #993
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Do you think sulky racing/harness on a track is animal cruelty? Because i certainly don't.

    Why not help travelers do this right?

    Unless you are going to help people do a better job i don't feel we have the right to say anything.

    I am telling you ireland could dominate these fools!


    How are you helping Travellers do it right? I understand you are involved in equestrian activities, how have you attempted to include and involve Travellers?


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    #994
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,443 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Do you think sulky racing/harness on a track is animal cruelty? Because i certainly don't.

    Why not help travelers do this right?

    Unless you are going to help people do a better job i don't feel we have the right to say anything.

    I am telling you ireland could dominate these fools!


    In my post I clearly stated it was racing on roads I was talking about where the horses are pushed to exhaustion and idiots behind them in cars filming the whole thing.

    They shouldn't need to be told to do a better job, if someone owns an animal it's welfare is their responsibility.


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    #995
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    PCeeeee wrote: »
    How are you helping Travellers do it right? I understand you are involved in equestrian activities, how have you attempted to include and involve Travellers?


    They are involved. :rolleyes:

    I am not a charity i just do my thing ...sometimes you meet travelers doing the same thing

    I used to volunteer at the DSPCA ..they often hold courses that include traveler kids.

    Plus i am sure some are members of local pony clubs etc.


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    #996
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Travellers don’t want a race track. They want to race on roads where they want, when they want

    Pssht i think its just they have nowhere else.


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    #997
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Look as i said i volunteered for horse shelters i know more than anyone some people.travelers don't look after their horses.

    I also know some people us that to tarnish all travelers.

    Also you don't get anywhere making stuff illegal.


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    #998
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I am not a charity

    Yeah. That's what I thought. All mouth. Good luck to you.


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    #999
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    PCeeeee wrote: »
    Yeah. That's what I thought. All mouth. Good luck to you.


    Did you just read what i said. I volunteer on courses that help travelers learn how to care for horses.

    My god. The virtue signalling in this thread ...

    You don't help horses by tearing travelers down you build people up.

    I am under no illusion that i am some horse savoir get a grip!

    Most travelers know more about horses than i do ffs.

    I am just a normal person.


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    #1000
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Stuff travelers have done.

    Won Olympic medals.


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    #1001
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
    Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
    The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools


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    #1002
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
    Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
    The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools


    Here here.

    Anyway ...i have said my piece.

    Peeps we shall just have to agree to disagree. :)


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    #1003
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Don't bite people.


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    #1004
    [Deleted User]
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
    Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
    The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

    Now I know that you’re a troll. Horses were used by travellers to pull their caravans not for racing. Sulky racing is a recent addition to their culture.


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    #1005
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Now I know that you’re a troll. Horses were used by travellers to pull their caravans not for racing. Sulky racing is a recent addition to their culture.


    Its not.

    They have traditional days to do it etc have had for a long long time.

    Traditional festivals for it etc.


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    #1006
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    So are these traditional days the ones where they aren't thieving???


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    #1007
    Odelay
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Its not.

    They have traditional days to do it etc have had for a long long time.

    Traditional festivals for it etc.

    No it’s not. They only started sully racing in the mid 80’s


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    #1008
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,853 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Its not.

    They have traditional days to do it etc have had for a long long time.

    Traditional festivals for it etc.

    Why do they do it on tarmac chasing the sulkies in luxury SUV's and Hiace's if it's traditional?


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    #1009
    jelutong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭jelutong


    Shure aren't they filming sulky racing on mobile phones for generations also.


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    #1010
    [Deleted User]
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    jelutong wrote: »
    Shure aren't they filming sulky racing on mobile phones for generations also.

    Centuries, even.


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    #1011
    Odelay
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
    Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
    The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools


    No it’s not. They only started sully racing in the mid 80’s


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    #1012
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

    Go on....


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    #1013
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    So are these traditional days the ones where they aren't thieving???
    Sersly?


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    #1014
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Charles Ingles wrote:
    The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools


    You're funny and deluded.


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    #1015
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

    Thus this thread no longer has value.

    Its just a meaningless back and forth. Its not going anywhere.


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    #1016
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ILoveYourVibes wrote:
    This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

    You mean it's a hatefest because people don't share your opinion. Meet lots of travellers, two leaving my home that I didn't remember inviting in.


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    #1017
    sligojoek
    Registered Users Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

    Thus this thread no longer has value.

    Its just a meaningless back and forth. Its not going anywhere.

    There's nothing stopping you from unfollowing it. Or maybe start a thread for people who want to tell us all their (true) positive traveller stories.


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    #1018
    98q76e12hrflnk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭98q76e12hrflnk


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

    Thus this thread no longer has value.

    Its just a meaningless back and forth. Its not going anywhere.

    For the sounds of it you have never meet travellers.

    You have to leave for house though which might be hard.


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    #1019
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Pssht i think its just they have nowhere else.

    Wouldn’t be long before any facilities get wrecked...


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    #1020
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You mean it's a hatefest because people don't share your opinion.

    This is a fallacy.

    You could have lot of opinions about Travelers that i might not agree with yet not be bigoted.

    I have a right to my opinion is a logical fallacy in which a person discredits any opposition by claiming that they are entitled to their opinion.

    Its a red herring.

    It's presenting factually and morally indefensible positions and trying to defend them as having the equal right to be heard on a matter in which only one of the two parties has the relevant expertise or neither have.


    Whether one has a particular entitlement or right is irrelevant to whether one's assertion is true or false.

    Judging Travelers as an entire one entity and judging all of them on the ill deeds of one or some is bigotry. Calling travelers subhuman or vermin as some have in this thread is bigotry.

    It is a fact that travelers are individuals some good some bad. It is a fact they are subjected to discrimination regardless of how they behave.

    To say You have the right to your opinion and I can't handle your opinion is simply a failure on your part to be able to defend said position.


    Guilt by association is yet another fallacy. Claiming all travelers are the same is such an association fallacy.


    There is a difference is saying i don't want to fight anymore so lets agree to disagree and i am entitled to my opinion so you can't fault my position.


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    #1021
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ILoveYourVibes wrote:
    To say You have the right to your opinion and I can't handle your opinion is simply a failure on your part to be able to defend said position.


    Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I just don't need to see it.;-)


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