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Dairy Chitchat 3

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    #3932
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,197 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Ai man was saying this morning he hasn't used one jersey straw this year yet.


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    #3933
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,378 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Ai man was saying this morning he hasn't used one jersey straw this year yet.

    Fun gone outta them


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    #3934
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I supplied 20% more litres than last April. The weather last April was brutal. You can't plan for the weather.

    Lorry driver here says people are way up on last year
    It's making their calculations on filling the lorry difficult
    Quite a bit of milk left by one lorry and collected by another the same day or left to an overnight or next day


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    #3935
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,378 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Lorry driver here says people are way up on last year
    It's making their calculations on filling the lorry difficult
    Quite a bit of milk left by one lorry and collected by another the same day or left to an overnight or next day

    Same happening to the BIL. His milk jumped 50% nearly overnight with the good weather and knocked the lorry drivers calculations off


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    #3936
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Ai man was saying this morning he hasn't used one jersey straw this year yet.

    Rep here said same amount of straws gone out here not up or down a whole pile. Extra beef straws going out tho


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    #3937
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Usin fr 2213 and beechwood I think, some eik. Lim and hex for not so sures


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    #3938
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭straight


    I see we're in for another great summer. Spanish plume on the way.


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    #3939
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Anyone see the figures for a drystock farmer converting into a 70cow dairyfarm in the farming indo today. Drawings of 30k/yr, and the whole thing barely broke even!! Why would you bother...

    Zero difference if you went and done the same figures for a 300 cow start-up given once you go past 100 cow mark, additional labour units are needed and probably a bigger investment per cow where new sheds and a rotary/ large herringbone Parlour need to be put in, the surge of lads thinking of getting in now simply because they see dairying as the only form of farming that will return a income and not because they have a genuine intrest in going milking cows and enjoying it, won’t stick it out going forward, it’s a pretty poor lifestyle choice of your sole reason for switching is monetary driven


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    #3940
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭straight


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Anyone see the figures for a drystock farmer converting into a 70cow dairyfarm in the farming indo today. Drawings of 30k/yr, and the whole thing barely broke even!! Why would you bother...

    30k wouldn't get you far with a young family. You'd have to like it because you certainly wouldn't be doing it for the money.


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    #3941
    yewtree
    Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yewtree


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Anyone see the figures for a drystock farmer converting into a 70cow dairyfarm in the farming indo today. Drawings of 30k/yr, and the whole thing barely broke even!! Why would you bother...

    I had a quick look online at the article. I actually thought it wasn't too bad for the scale of the operation. I thought the capital spend was very high aswell considering you are converting existing buildings. Also they assumed no grants were available which seems a bit daft.
    On the 30k drawing if that's going into your personal account its not to bad, what Is the net figure on a 50k a year PAYE job? In terms of what goes into your personal account each month it wouldn't be much more than 30k a year.
    Also no commute to work around to pick up kids from school, flexible hours.


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    #3942
    Timmaay
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    Yeh, criminal only putting in a 30k wage. Should be 40k. And in fairness then, 12 or 15 more cows (let's call it 85 cows) would be alot more realistic minimum herd size for someone converting over from beef. And Jay I personally think the sweet spot is the one main man, with plenty of part time labour during the spring, and then load on as many cows as he is comfortable with, for some lads this is 90, for others this is 160!


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    #3943
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    straight wrote: »
    I see we're in for another great summer. Spanish plume on the way.

    Not next week anyway, anything else is speculative
    From MT on weather forum based on latest guidance not tabloid headlines


    "
    NEXT WEEK will begin to turn very cool and at times rather wet as colder air moves in from the north while the storm track drops to the south of Munster, sometimes providing moderate northeast winds and rain. Highs most days will only be around 10 to 12 C and could be even cooler in some places."

    Not stellar news for mine and Timmays location


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    #3944
    Mortelaro
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    My own rule of thumb is 1.5 acres per milking cow,rearing your own replacements etc.
    Going beyond that is just not worth it if every 3 years the extra profits are wiped out with either bad weather or bad prices


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    #3945
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭straight


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    My own rule of thumb is 1.5 acres per milking cow,rearing your own replacements etc.
    Going beyond that is just not worth it if every 3 years the extra profits are wiped out with either bad weather or bad prices

    I'd say your not too far wrong there. Alot less pressure on the system.


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    #3946
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    My own rule of thumb is 1.5 acres per milking cow,rearing your own replacements etc.
    Going beyond that is just not worth it if every 3 years the extra profits are wiped out with either bad weather or bad prices

    Does that not work out at a LU/ac?


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    #3947
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    An Australian company has proven new technology that claims to keep milk fresh for 60 days without pasteurisation and opens up the possibility of exports of fresh milk by sea to China and other foreign markets.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-05-01/fresh-milk-breakthrough-offers-60-day-fridge-shelf-life/11062284


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    #3948
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    yewtree wrote: »
    I had a quick look online at the article. I actually thought it wasn't too bad for the scale of the operation. I thought the capital spend was very high aswell considering you are converting existing buildings. Also they assumed no grants were available which seems a bit daft.
    On the 30k drawing if that's going into your personal account its not to bad, what Is the net figure on a 50k a year PAYE job? In terms of what goes into your personal account each month it wouldn't be much more than 30k a year.
    Also no commute to work around to pick up kids from school, flexible hours.

    I would see nothing wrong with 30k wage being pulled out from a newly converted operation.
    The 30k drawings is only an issue if your spouse isnt working, then its definitely not enough. Most spouses these days are working and mine says she thinks she'll always work (might change sometime)

    wouldn't it be an alright living till you got the herd matured and humming? And as you say yew, haven't you your own hours and your own boss


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    #3949
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Does that not work out at a LU/ac?

    Close enough and still probably tight on nitrates at that


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    #3950
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Close enough and still probably tight on nitrates at that

    That's 2.5/ha that should be fine tbh. Derogation allows you go to 2.9lu
    If all your ground was in good heart and good grass you should make ample silage at 2.5 lu


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    #3951
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    An Australian company has proven new technology that claims to keep milk fresh for 60 days without pasteurisation and opens up the possibility of exports of fresh milk by sea to China and other foreign markets.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-05-01/fresh-milk-breakthrough-offers-60-day-fridge-shelf-life/11062284

    The way they're going they may be short of lads to produce the milk for em


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    #3952
    orm0nd
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    Some amount of fr heifer calves being offered for sale.


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    #3953
    Timmaay
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    Some amount of fr heifer calves being offered for sale.

    My prediction is the Fr heifer calf market will be the next to go pop. Its not a well known fact, but in NZ almost all non ai born heifer calves end up as Bobby's also. We saw this spring AA calves made zero premium over Fr bull calves, and the HE aren't a huge amount better, so alot of lads not bothered paying a premium for a he or Aa bull anymore, against a Fr for say 1200 who will end up the factory for that next Sept,job done.


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    #3954
    whelan2
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    My prediction is the Fr heifer calf market will be the next to go pop. Its not a well known fact, but in NZ almost all non ai born heifer calves end up as Bobby's also. We saw this spring AA calves made zero premium over Fr bull calves, and the HE aren't a huge amount better, so alot of lads not bothered paying a premium for a he or Aa bull anymore, against a Fr for say 1200 who will end up the factory for that next Sept,job done.
    I got 220 euro for a 20 day old Angus bull calf yesterday. Saw a few fr heifers go from 180 to 240.


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    #3955
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Coiled the heifers today for AI next Saturday week with sexed Jersey straws, just to see how successful it might be. Used the PRID E ones, had to bring them all in again and cut off the cords as they had them pulled out just nosing around the yard.


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    #3956
    awaywithyou
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Coiled the heifers today for AI next Saturday week with sexed Jersey straws, just to see how successful it might be. Used the PRID E ones, had to bring them all in again and cut off the cords as they had them pulled out just nosing around the yard.


    not trying to put a dampener on your plans but i thought the general advice given for sexed was to AI to natural heats only... not to use if injecting heifers to come in heat???


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    #3957
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    awaywithyou wrote: »
    not trying to put a dampener on your plans but i thought the general advice given for sexed was to AI to natural heats only... not to use if injecting heifers to come in heat???
    I've no bubbles left at this stage:D

    What I read was that the best results were in synchronised to fixed time AI, that there isn't as much room to reach optimum conception with sexed as with normal straws? The fixed time hits closer to the right egg release time so there's better conception rates than sexed used for normal heats?


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    #3958
    Freejin
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Freejin


    Any opinions on leaving calves out,weather not spectacular for the next week. Always a bit slow leaving calves out here. All jan\feb born and weaned at this stage


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    #3959
    oxjkqg
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭oxjkqg


    Freejin wrote: »
    Any opinions on leaving calves out,weather not spectacular for the next week. Always a bit slow leaving calves out here. All jan\feb born and weaned at this stage


    Out Out Out


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    #3960
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Been mowing since Sunday and nearly all tedded out. Then 14mm of thunderstorm last night with more to follow. Ffs.
    Harvester arrived just now so I’ll send him home for a few hours.
    Good weather for planting doesn’t necessarily mean good weather for harvesting.


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    #3961
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Freejin wrote: »
    Any opinions on leaving calves out,weather not spectacular for the next week. Always a bit slow leaving calves out here. All jan\feb born and weaned at this stage

    Keep calves in till week after off milk and fully weaned ,always stands to them .if off milk week or more let them off


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