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Micky Jackson in trouble again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,489 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The Nal wrote: »
    Yup. As per your link.

    "Radio stations pulled his songs from their playlists, and a statue of Jackson was removed from the National Football Museum in Manchester"

    You missed the important part.

    The multi million pound West End musical gets extended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    The Nal wrote: »
    Yup. As per your link.

    "Radio stations pulled his songs from their playlists, and a statue of Jackson was removed from the National Football Museum in Manchester"

    They said they'd been planning it for ages. Think it might be a bit like the Oprah chat above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    I'd say Fulham fans wish they had the statue back. Since they got rid of it their form has been shocking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Has anyone been reading how Bill Cosby is furious with his insurance company AIG? They paid out to his sex abuse victims against his permission.

    Does anyone remember all the "Experts" here insisting that Jackson's insurance didn't pay out against his wishes even though there are court documents saying that they did? The "experts" claimed that insurance companies don't pay out for sex abuse claims? In Cosby's case they actually paid out after he was convicted for sex crimes. In Jackson's case they paid out without an admission of guilt or a conviction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Has anyone been reading how Bill Cosby is furious with his insurance company AIG? They paid out to his sex abuse victims against his permission.

    Does anyone remember all the "Experts" here insisting that Jackson's insurance didn't pay out against his wishes even though there are court documents saying that they did? The "experts" claimed that insurance companies don't pay out for sex abuse claims? In Cosby's case they actually paid out after he was convicted for sex crimes. In Jackson's case they paid out without an admission of guilt or a conviction.

    Do you know why AIG paid out? It was nothing to do with sex abuse claims and was to do with defamation claims. It has nothing to do do with this case and I have no idea why you brought this I up. Maybe I have misunderstood but if I have can you expalain the connection?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    joeguevara wrote:
    Do you know why AIG paid out? It was nothing to do with sex abuse claims and was to do with defamation claims. It has nothing to do do with this case and I have no idea why you brought this I up. Maybe I have misunderstood but if I have can you expalain the connection?


    It's been stated here time and again that insurance companies don't pay out where the law has been broken. It's been stated as fact several times on this thread that Jacksons insurance didn't pay out in the first case (civil case) when court documents clearly state that the insurance paid out against Jacksons wishes. This was submitted to the court in the 2nd case. I have seen the court documents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Do you know why AIG paid out? It was nothing to do with sex abuse claims and was to do with defamation claims. It has nothing to do do with this case and I have no idea why you brought this I up. Maybe I have misunderstood but if I have can you expalain the connection?


    This wasn't a defamation case.

    Cosby's insurance company, American International Group, struck a deal with a woman named Chloe Goins who claimed that Cosby assaulted her at the Playboy Mansion in 2008 when she was just 18. However, Cosby's lashed out against AIG, calling their conduct "despicable."


    https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/bill-cosby-lashes-out-at-insurance-company-for-settling-sexual-assault-suit-news.77472.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Good lord. I lolled, so I did. I’m going to hell. :D:D:D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sleeper12 wrote: »

    Sleeper. I might be misunderstanding this. The link you provided specifically stated that they were involved in a defamation case with him. What was the payout for if not that? I don’t think you can insure yourself for not commiting a criminal offense like assault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,635 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,635 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Why is it so that in the 1993 case no one stopped playing his music, in 2005 case even while on trial no one stopped playing his music, yet when a one sided documentary comes out based on nothing but stories with nothing to back it up people suddenly believe it and banish the greatest musician who ever lived to the deepest darkest abyss.

    Child abusers do it for life, with Michael we're to believe it was just a short period of his life that he became an abuser of kids, and then reverted back to normality.
    We're to believe that after the Bashir documentary came out, and Michael was headline news over his remarks about sleeping in same room as kids, that Michael at the point decided to abuse Gavin Arvizo.

    So he abuses Gavin while all this heat is on him, and then in court calls Wade , and Safechunk to defend him. '' other victims?'' These actions would make Michael one of the dumbest people on the planet.
    But we all know he was actually a very wise talented person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Why is it so that in the 1993 case no one stopped playing his music, in 2005 case even while on trial no one stopped playing his music, yet when a one sided documentary comes out based on nothing but stories with nothing to back it up people suddenly believe it and banish the greatest musician who ever lived to the deepest darkest abyss.

    Child abusers do it for life, with Michael we're to believe it was just a short period of his life that he became an abuser of kids, and then reverted back to normality.
    We're to believe that after the Bashir documentary came out, and Michael was headline news over his remarks about sleeping in same room as kids, that Michael at the point decided to abuse Gavin Arvizo.

    So he abuses Gavin while all this heat is on him, and then in court calls Wade , and Safechunk to defend him. '' other victims?'' These actions would make Michael one of the dumbest people on the planet.
    But we all know he was actually a very wise talented person.

    It is a recent thing with regarding stopping playing music. For example ‘cold outside’, the Christmas song was pulled from various radio stations including Christmas FM due to connotations of false imprisonment as well as non consensual activity. Also, there was a bit of a campaign by 2FM djs Eoghan McDermott and Stephen Byrne against the Pogues ‘Fairytale of New York’ because of the ‘f’ word.

    It has even spread to classic literature. To kill a mocking bird has been banned from many US states school curriculum due to parents complaining about the fact that it includes the ‘n’ word and is perceived racist. It is the complete antithesis of what the book is about and it is one piece of modern literature that has broken down so many racial boundaries but appears to be par for the course to ban things for the sake of it. I was also shocked to see John Steinbeck’s ‘of mice and men’ similarly banned due to the inclusion of the ‘n’ word and the perceived discrimination of mental health. I know it is completely different to banning music of alleged child abusers but it appears to be the done thing now.

    I can understand banning music if convicted criminals such as Gary Glitter or music produced by Phil Spector but social media and gobsh1te dis trying to create publicity should be very careful as by doing so maybe considered defamation if they state a reason.

    Also banning classic literature through ignorance is a dangerous precedent. I know when I read to kill a mockingbird it taught me so much about how dangerous racism is. To think it is banned for the theme it fought against is ludicrous but it’s the times we live in.

    Next Jaws will be banned for animal cruelty!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    joeguevara wrote: »
    It is a recent thing with regarding stopping playing music. For example ‘cold outside’, the Christmas song was pulled from various radio stations including Christmas FM due to connotations of false imprisonment as well as non consensual activity. Also, there was a bit of a campaign by 2FM djs Eoghan McDermott and Stephen Byrne against the Pogues ‘Fairytale of New York’ because of the ‘f’ word.

    It has even spread to classic literature. To kill a mocking bird has been banned from many US states school curriculum due to parents complaining about the fact that it includes the ‘n’ word and is perceived racist. It is the complete antithesis of what the book is about and it is one piece of modern literature that has broken down so many racial boundaries but appears to be par for the course to ban things for the sake of it. I was also shocked to see John Steinbeck’s ‘of mice and men’ similarly banned due to the inclusion of the ‘n’ word and the perceived discrimination of mental health. I know it is completely different to banning music of alleged child abusers but it appears to be the done thing now.

    I can understand banning music if convicted criminals such as Gary Glitter or music produced by Phil Spector but social media and gobsh1te dis trying to create publicity should be very careful as by doing so maybe considered defamation if they state a reason.

    Also banning classic literature through ignorance is a dangerous precedent. I know when I read to kill a mockingbird it taught me so much about how dangerous racism is. To think it is banned for the theme it fought against is ludicrous but it’s the times we live in.

    Next Jaws will be banned for animal cruelty!


    In bold isn't quite true Gary Glitter was jailed 20 years ago, 1999, & radio stations stopped playing his music then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    joeguevara wrote: »
    It is a recent thing with regarding stopping playing music. For example ‘cold outside’, the Christmas song was pulled from various radio stations including Christmas FM due to connotations of false imprisonment as well as non consensual activity. Also, there was a bit of a campaign by 2FM djs Eoghan McDermott and Stephen Byrne against the Pogues ‘Fairytale of New York’ because of the ‘f’ word.

    It has even spread to classic literature. To kill a mocking bird has been banned from many US states school curriculum due to parents complaining about the fact that it includes the ‘n’ word and is perceived racist. It is the complete antithesis of what the book is about and it is one piece of modern literature that has broken down so many racial boundaries but appears to be par for the course to ban things for the sake of it. I was also shocked to see John Steinbeck’s ‘of mice and men’ similarly banned due to the inclusion of the ‘n’ word and the perceived discrimination of mental health. I know it is completely different to banning music of alleged child abusers but it appears to be the done thing now.

    I can understand banning music if convicted criminals such as Gary Glitter or music produced by Phil Spector but social media and gobsh1te dis trying to create publicity should be very careful as by doing so maybe considered defamation if they state a reason.

    Also banning classic literature through ignorance is a dangerous precedent. I know when I read to kill a mockingbird it taught me so much about how dangerous racism is. To think it is banned for the theme it fought against is ludicrous but it’s the times we live in.

    Next Jaws will be banned for animal cruelty!

    Wow, this is so sad. And, frankly, doesn’t give schoolchildren much credit. I loved The Famous Five books as a kid and it didn’t turn me into an unrepentant racist. Indeed, I recognised that some of the terms Blyton used were not on but I also knew that the books were of their time. It didn’t stop me enjoying the stories.

    I don’t think things should be banned. But I understand why it’s harder to ignore things when it’s a performer who is very visible in their art form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    In bold isn't quite true Gary Glitter was jailed 20 years ago, 1999, & radio stations stopped playing his music then

    In UK and Ireland yes. He still takes in millions from royalties in US. Even covers in shows like Glee (gwyneth Paltrow cover).

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/424731/Gary-Glitter-continues-rake-in-royalties-thanks-to-American-radio-airplay/amp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    joeguevara wrote: »
    In UK and Ireland yes. He still takes in millions from royalties in US. Even covers in shows like Glee (gwyneth Paltrow cover).

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/424731/Gary-Glitter-continues-rake-in-royalties-thanks-to-American-radio-airplay/amp
    Golden oldies stations need to fill airtime and it is pure glam rock. As always people make up their own minds what they will listen to or watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,592 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Why is it so that in the 1993 case no one stopped playing his music, in 2005 case even while on trial no one stopped playing his music,

    Because people have had enough. The context has dramatically changed, people will no longer play the music of a suspected / perceived child abuser just as they'll no longer watch the films of a suspected / perceived rapist. Because for decades we allowed the "artist" to be separated from the "person" and it's nonsense. Scaldy people don't deserve adulation because they can do something nice in a studio or behind a camera. They're scaldy and disgusting and people don't want to see or hear them in a fashion that ignores those realities anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Because people have had enough. The context has dramatically changed, people will no longer play the music of a suspected / perceived child abuser just as they'll no longer watch the films of a suspected / perceived rapist. Because for decades we allowed the "artist" to be separated from the "person" and it's nonsense. Scaldy people don't deserve adulation because they can do something nice in a studio or behind a camera. They're scaldy and disgusting and people don't want to see or hear them in a fashion that ignores those realities anymore.

    Many of these individuals have produced some very good materials and set standards in their field. Dismiss them and you begin to lose the ability to determine what is actually good. That's where the separation works. One can recognise the quality even if the person deserves nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    Because people have had enough. The context has dramatically changed, people will no longer play the music of a suspected / perceived child abuser just as they'll no longer watch the films of a suspected / perceived rapist. Because for decades we allowed the "artist" to be separated from the "person" and it's nonsense. Scaldy people don't deserve adulation because they can do something nice in a studio or behind a camera. They're scaldy and disgusting and people don't want to see or hear them in a fashion that ignores those realities anymore.

    But the vast majority of radio stations aren't banning his music at all. Some have said that his music won't be on their play list temporarily, till things settle down. Most still play his music & a tiny fraction of stations and TV stations say his music is being banned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    But the vast majority of radio stations aren't banning his music at all. Some have said that his music won't be on their play list temporarily, till things settle down. Most still play his music & a tiny fraction of stations and TV stations say his music is being banned.

    Not really true. More and more radio stations are staying public ally that they have dropped his music,

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/8571575/michael-jackson-songs-pulled-radio-leaving-neverland/amp/

    However it is more than likely a publicity statement as if you read the article and not the headline it says ‘playlists change from week to week’ so it a marketing ploy as if a station comes out and says he is banned then they will be in worldwide articles. BBC have come out and explicitly stated that artist aren’t banned but can be dropped from playlists. For example when in the last month have you heard the ‘Grateful Dead one/fm. They aren’t banned but not on the playlist.

    So, djs want to make waves. Come out and say ‘I won’t play fairy tale of New York, cold outside or MJ’. It’s in the news. Their stock rises. People clap. They get sacked because they are sh1te and low and behold we head Billie Jean and Shane McGowan long after the has been.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,141 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    There was a Michael Jackson tribute show in the Olympia Theatre on 25th April just gone. Heard it advertised on all the big radio stations.

    Looking up the show on Ticketmaster, it has a fairly big UK run too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    joeguevara wrote:
    So, djs want to make waves. Come out and say ‘I won’t play fairy tale of New York, cold outside or MJ’. It’s in the news. Their stock rises. People clap. They get sacked because they are sh1te and low and behold we head Billie Jean and Shane McGowan long after the has been.

    Do you know what they did after they burned Beatles records in the 60s? They went back out & bought them again. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    anewme wrote: »
    There was a Michael Jackson tribute show in the Olympia Theatre on 25th April just gone. Heard it advertised on all the big radio stations.

    Looking up the show on Ticketmaster, it has a fairly big UK run too.

    He still has a very dedicated core of fans so it’ll probably sell out easily enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Following is worth a watch. Exposes much of what was said in the Leaving Neverland docu as being fabricated nonsense.




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Following is worth a watch. Exposes much of what was said in the Leaving Neverland docu as being fabricated nonsense.



    I watched exactly 60 seconds of that. Opening with Piers Morgan doesn't lend it a whole pile of credibility (remember that time he tapped a dead girl's phone) and then they asked a serious question of the film maker and cut away without giving him the opportunity to answer.


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    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    I watched exactly 60 seconds of that. Opening with Piers Morgan doesn't lend it a whole pile of credibility (remember that time he tapped a dead girl's phone) and then they asked a serious question of the film maker and cut away without giving him the opportunity to answer.

    Him tapping a dead girl's phone is about as accurate a statement as most of those made in Leaving Neverland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Following is worth a watch. Exposes much of what was said in the Leaving Neverland docu as being fabricated nonsense.



    Here's a different and shorter one that I posted earlier in the thread you should watch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Following is worth a watch. Exposes much of what was said in the Leaving Neverland docu as being fabricated nonsense.



    Footage from the locked bedroom I presume! Ha

    Edit: bedrooms. Yikes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Chandler could have? He did, didn't he? They settled out of court? Or was it a civil action, rather than a criminal one?

    Michael Jackson filed 3 times for the criminal case to go before the civil. The Chandler family wanted the civil case first. Judge sided with The Chandlers and put the civil case first before the criminal.

    He settled the civil case, after he refused to hand over any money to them before hand. Evan Chandler demanded $1million to $10million dollars to keep it all quiet but, Jackson refused to pay him anything.
    In the prosecution's own words, it was not buying anyone's silence or settling anything and the criminal case was to go ahead.

    A year later, the case was thrown out as 2 grand juries could not find any evidence against Michael Jackson.

    In the years afterwards a book was written, from a member of NAMBLA, who described in detail what went on between Michael Jackson and Jordan Chandler. Jordan Chandler released a statement to the cops, that was made public in 2003, stating all of that was false

    In 1996, a handful of employees from Neverland sued Michael Jackson for unfair dismissal and said that they saw what he was doing to Jordan Chandler and Maculey Culkin.
    They lost the suit, as they were robbing from Michael Jackson and they each were counter sued for $2 million dollars, which is still owed to this day. Adrian Macmanus being one of the employees. Jordan Chandler also released a statement to the cops, reach was made public in 2003, stating that what the employees said was false. Culkin has also come out numerous times and said nothing ever happened

    Wade Robson and James Safechuck are now suing MJJ productions, for procuring them for Michael Jackson, after the judge threw their cases out against Michael Jackson, stating that "no one trier of facts could ever believe your story"
    The case is expected to take place next year. However, the problem with that case is, Wade and James have both stated in their sworn depositions to the cops and in Leaving Neverland that their own Mothers chased after Michael Jackson, begging him to spend time with them. Not MJJ productions or Michael Jackson himself.
    Wade's own mother even left his father to move to Australia to have a better chance of getting close to Michael Jackson so I have no idea how that is going to work out at all

    The estate of Michael Jackson vs HBO is going to open arbitration but, HBO is trying to get a dismissal. From what I've read, the estate wants everything out in the open, as in who funded it, unedited footage, cuts that didn't make it etc but, HBO don't want it to go that far. Richard Plepler, HBO's CEO, left shortly after Leaving Neverland was aired. It was known he was massively against the production

    Not speculation, just the facts. Make of it what you will.

    I just typed all this up because I'm bored. I have various tabs open on different topics and I need a break from reading The Coronavirus thread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Michael Jackson filed 3 times for the criminal case to go before the civil. The Chandler family wanted the civil case first. Judge sided with The Chandlers and put the civil case first before the criminal.

    He settled the civil case, after he refused to hand over any money to them before hand. Evan Chandler demanded $1million to $10million dollars to keep it all quiet but, Jackson refused to pay him anything.
    In the prosecution's own words, it was not buying anyone's silence or settling anything and the criminal case was to go ahead.

    A year later, the case was thrown out as 2 grand juries could not find any evidence against Michael Jackson.

    In the years afterwards a book was written, from a member of NAMBLA, who described in detail what went on between Michael Jackson and Jordan Chandler. Jordan Chandler released a statement to the cops, that was made public in 2003, stating all of that was false

    In 1996, a handful of employees from Neverland sued Michael Jackson for unfair dismissal and said that they saw what he was doing to Jordan Chandler and Maculey Culkin.
    They lost the suit, as they were robbing from Michael Jackson and they each were counter sued for $2 million dollars, which is still owed to this day. Adrian Macmanus being one of the employees. Jordan Chandler also released a statement to the cops, reach was made public in 2003, stating that what the employees said was false. Culkin has also come out numerous times and said nothing ever happened

    Wade Robson and James Safechuck are now suing MJJ productions, for procuring them for Michael Jackson, after the judge threw their cases out against Michael Jackson, stating that "no one trier of facts could ever believe your story"
    The case is expected to take place next year. However, the problem with that case is, Wade and James have both stated in their sworn depositions to the cops and in Leaving Neverland that their own Mothers chased after Michael Jackson, begging him to spend time with them. Not MJJ productions or Michael Jackson himself.
    Wade's own mother even left his father to move to Australia to have a better chance of getting close to Michael Jackson so I have no idea how that is going to work out at all

    The estate of Michael Jackson vs HBO is going to open arbitration but, HBO is trying to get a dismissal. From what I've read, the estate wants everything out in the open, as in who funded it, unedited footage, cuts that didn't make it etc but, HBO don't want it to go that far. Richard Plepler, HBO's CEO, left shortly after Leaving Neverland was aired. It was known he was massively against the production

    Not speculation, just the facts. Make of it what you will.

    I just typed all this up because I'm bored. I have various tabs open on different topics and I need a break from reading The Coronavirus thread.




    Why aren't you stripping supermarket shelves bare like the rest of the nation? :D


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