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Domestic solar PV quotes 2018

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    AidenL wrote: »
    That’s a great saving.

    I’m wavering in whether or not to go ahead, but your detail, along with wexfordmans is very convincing.

    The SEAI payback calculator was putting me off.

    Did you have it installed in September?

    I had it installed September 14th or 15th.
    To get the best from it you need to consume on bright days and hold back using lots of appliances on dull days. i.e check the forecast. Any day with any bit of blue in the sky will be a good solar PV day.
    If you use it without thinking then you might not get the value from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    Don't forget that depending on the inverter you can also charge the battery at night time an dissipate during the day. I worked out an additional saving of €85 a year based on 4.8kwh worth of batteries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    there is a current limit typically of 1.2kw per battery

    That's a good point. I was looking at the Pylontech US2000 (2.4kWh) recently - probably the most commonly one used and it is only rated for 25A, so indeed at 48V nominal pack voltage you can only charge or discharge at 1.2kW maximum

    This means that on a medium to large array, a lot of your production is going to the grid unused. And when you put on the kettle in the evening time, even with a full battery, most of the electricity for that will have to be bought from the grid

    I wonder if anyone is installing a lead acid battery pack under the grant scheme? For the €2.5k your 5kWh lithium battery costs gross, you could have a 25kWh lead acid batttery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    unkel wrote: »
    That's a good point. I was looking at the Pylontech US2000 (2.4kWh) recently - probably the most commonly one used and it is only rated for 25A, so indeed at 48V nominal pack voltage you can only charge or discharge at 1.2kW maximum

    This means that on a medium to large array, a lot of your production is going to the grid unused. And when you put on the kettle in the evening time, even with a full battery, most of the electricity for that will have to be bought from the grid

    I wonder if anyone is installing a lead acid battery pack under the grant scheme? For the €2.5k your 5kWh lithium battery costs gross, you could have a 25kWh lead acid batttery

    25a max discharge seems quite low ?

    I think mine is rated at 60a (5kw battery)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    25a max discharge seems quite low ?

    I think mine is rated at 60a (5kw battery)

    It's per battery as they are connected in parallel if you have more than one. So with 2 * 25A we're talking 50A or 2.4kW for two of these Pylontechs

    What's the make / model of your battery again?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    unkel wrote: »
    It's per battery as they are connected in parallel if you have more than one. So with 2 * 25A we're talking 50A or 2.4kW for two of these Pylontechs

    What's the make / model of your battery again?

    It's a givenergy 5.6kwh https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://kast-energy.co.uk/product/battery-storage/&ved=2ahUKEwjlt--8iNjhAhVfShUIHd4ZAFkQFjADegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0g-XryY06ttfNC_LPQH_ik&cshid=1555536438476

    Same unit as the prime battery I believe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    In an IPS65 box, nice! This is a bad letdown in the Pylontech range, that can only be installed indoors or if you have a dedicated waterproof box for them. That said, if installed outdoors you don't want them to get too cold when charging or discharging. Yours installed outdoors?

    A quick google doesn't come up with a spec sheet either. Do you have a link to one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    unkel wrote: »
    In an IPS65 box, nice! This is a bad letdown in the Pylontech range, that can only be installed indoors or if you have a dedicated waterproof box for them. That said, if installed outdoors you don't want them to get too cold when charging or discharging. Yours installed outdoors?

    A quick google doesn't come up with a spec sheet either. Do you have a link to one?

    Here 8s a link to specs.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://exhibition.edie.net/__media/libraries/brochures/F124DB1C-5056-B753-A7C3F674631B5DDA-document.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjlt--8iNjhAhVfShUIHd4ZAFkQFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3LAXUQ2ORjwQG379OwIdYF&cshid=1555540738013

    Mine is installed in attic just above stairwell, all wall mounted


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    My electric use is down 198kWh durin the last 2 mo the against the same period last year. I can only put that down to the solar panels.

    I never realised the bill told you this so I’ll be logging into my bills tomorrow to see if I’m down any other periods.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel



    Yep looks like 60A charging for the whole range from the smallest 2.5kWh battery to the biggest (yours) at 5.6kWh

    For the smallest one that still represents less than 1C charging. My EV can charge at nearly 3C and has a lifetime unlimited warranty on the battery in the USA. So 1C seems more than safe and I doubt temps will be an issue with an indoors install. Another big plus over the Pylontech batteries imho

    No mention of any EN50438 in the certs section though, which is "interesting" as it was installed under the SEAI grant scheme. You did get your grant back already, did you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    unkel wrote: »
    Yep looks like 60A charging for the whole range from the smallest 2.5kWh battery to the biggest (yours) at 5.6kWh

    For the smallest one that still represents less than 1C charging. My EV can charge at nearly 3C and has a lifetime unlimited warranty on the battery in the USA. So 1C seems more than safe and I doubt temps will be an issue with an indoors install. Another big plus over the Pylontech batteries imho

    No mention of any EN50438 in the certs section though, which is "interesting" as it was installed under the SEAI grant scheme. You did get your grant back already, did you?

    The grant was submitted last week after the inverter was installed (I had a temp inverter in place since before Christmas, was only 3.6kw to tide me over).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Keep us updated!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    unkel wrote: »
    Keep us updated!

    Will do,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    My bill annually is approx 1600.

    If I spend 7 to 8k net on PV, the payback based on SEAI is heading way over 15 years.

    What am I missing here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    AidenL wrote: »
    My bill annually is approx 1600.

    If I spend 7 to 8k net on PV, the payback based on SEAI is heading way over 15 years.

    What am I missing here?

    What size system is that for.
    Would think that you would half your bill so that would make it about 10 years not allowing anything for the usual 5% increase in electricity prices each year.

    4.2kw PV with 4.8kwh lithium batteries should cost about 6k net of grant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    niallers1 wrote: »
    What size system is that for.
    Would think that you would half your bill so that would make it about 10 years not allowing anything for the usual 5% increase in electricity prices each year.

    4.2kw PV with 4.8kwh lithium batteries should cost about 6k net of grant.

    Heading towards 6kw, 18 panels and 5.6 in batteries.

    SEAI must be selling themselves short with that calculator?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭phester28


    If a 300w panel is 1 x 1.67 then if I'm right you can only have 7 panels before you hit the 12 square meters and require planning application for any further panels. Would this not be in excess of the SEAI grant or can you put on as many as you want up to the 6kw once planning is given


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Guys would it be an option to have some tubes for hot water and then PV for power?

    Would a diverter/ inverter be needed in this case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    phester28 wrote: »
    If a 300w panel is 1 x 1.67 then if I'm right you can only have 7 panels before you hit the 12 square meters and require planning application for any further panels.

    That's right, 7 panels max.

    I'm not sure if the SEAI installer is supposed to check if you have planning permission before install as part of the grant terms and conditions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Guys would it be an option to have some tubes for hot water and then PV for power?

    Would a diverter/ inverter be needed in this case?

    Of course you can! That's what I have.

    Tubes system is worked by a controller that checks temps on roof, on bottom of cylinder and on top of cylinder. Based on various settings it decides to turn on the pump that takes the heated glycol from the tubes through the cylinder to warm up your water

    PV panels are connected to an inverter that is connected to the grid. A bit over the top, but you could still install a diverter that heats a coil in your cylinder if you produce more electricity than you consume


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    unkel wrote: »
    That's right, 7 panels max.

    I'm not sure if the SEAI installer is supposed to check if you have planning permission before install as part of the grant terms and conditions.

    SEAI don't care if you put up more. Know from experience and chatting with SEAI solar PV inspector.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    unkel wrote: »
    Of course you can! That's what I have.

    Tubes system is worked by a controller that checks temps on roof, on bottom of cylinder and on top of cylinder. Based on various settings it decides to turn on the pump that takes the heated glycol from the tubes through the cylinder to warm up your water

    PV panels are connected to an inverter that is connected to the grid. A bit over the top, but you could still install a diverter that heats a coil in your cylinder if you produce more electricity than you consume

    Can you give us a breakdown of your setup and cost?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭daheff


    Guys would it be an option to have some tubes for hot water [

    whats the payback on the tubes heating water?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Can you give us a breakdown of your setup and cost?
    daheff wrote: »
    whats the payback on the tubes heating water?


    I've a 40 tube Kingspan system installed in 2016 by an SEAI approved installer. After the grant I paid net 4.7k for this, including the retrofitting of a 360l highly insulated Joule cylinder in my hot press

    We're a family of 5 (4 females) using lots and lots of hot water. If you don't use a lot of hot water, I wouldn't bother as your payback will be long. Mine isn't long. I needed the big cylinder anyway as the standard 120l was empty after a 10 minute shower (with our 3 bar water pump). Well under 10 years even taking into account maintenance

    As for my solar PV. That's the opposite. I've done part self installed, I paid a roofer for a days work and a friendly electrician installed it for free as a favour. I sourced all parts very cheaply. It's a work in progress, I don't really know what it has cost me so far. I would have to spend time to add it all up. Suffice to say that I spend quite a bit of time routing through forums and eBay for bargains. And all the earlier bits I have used, like panels and inverters, I have since sold for more than I paid for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Kerryman3


    Hi all,
    First quote the other day which I think a bit high, what do ye all think?

    I have east west split , 1050 sq ft 3 bed semi d, 140 Litre hot water tank and gas boiler can heat rads and water.

    Details were-
    10 x Denim 300Wp All-Black Mono Crystalline PV Module with 35Years Production and 35 Years Product Warranty. i.e 3kW system.
    • 1 x Solis 3.6kW Single Phase Grid Tied Hybrid Inverter
    • 1 x 3.5kW Pylontech Li-Ion Battery
    • 1 x 3.0kW Power Diverter (For Hot Water)
    • 1 x Santon Fireman Switch
    • 1 x Electrical Materials, Fuses, etc...
    • 1 x Full Install, Grid Commission and SEAI Grant paperwork’s handling.
    • 1 x Solis Wifi kit and Free Solis Monitoring portal for Life.
    • 1 x BER Assessment for SEAI Grant + 5 Years Labour Warranty


    7,100 cost to me incl vat and net of grant.
    Only way this can stack up is if materials really top notch I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Kerryman3 wrote: »
    Hi all,
    First quote the other day which I think a bit high, what do ye all think?

    I have east west split , 1050 sq ft 3 bed semi d, 140 Litre hot water tank and gas boiler can heat rads and water.

    Details were-
    10 x Denim 300Wp All-Black Mono Crystalline PV Module with 35Years Production and 35 Years Product Warranty. i.e 3kW system.
    • 1 x Solis 3.6kW Single Phase Grid Tied Hybrid Inverter
    • 1 x 3.5kW Pylontech Li-Ion Battery
    • 1 x 3.0kW Power Diverter (For Hot Water)
    • 1 x Santon Fireman Switch
    • 1 x Electrical Materials, Fuses, etc...
    • 1 x Full Install, Grid Commission and SEAI Grant paperwork’s handling.
    • 1 x Solis Wifi kit and Free Solis Monitoring portal for Life.
    • 1 x BER Assessment for SEAI Grant + 5 Years Labour Warranty


    7,100 cost to me incl vat and net of grant.
    Only way this can stack up is if materials really top notch I think.

    Denim are Dutch made PV panels.
    BER should cost about 150-170 euros . Diverter depends on brand but could be between 400&600 euro. Is the Pylontech battery size correct?
    Solis Dongle is about 60 euro and the santon fireman's switch is close to 250-300 I think.
    Pylontech normally 2.4kwh per battery but I've just googled and see they do in fact do a 3.5kwh battery. This must be new. Very interesting.

    To me it sounds a bit too expensive by a few 100.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Kerryman3


    It’s actually your installer too niallers, I thought prices might’ve gone up since you took the plunge but I see from recent posts they are giving better quotes than what I got even in recent weeks so I may get back on to them. Thanks.
    I also googled the batteries and very little price difference between 3.5 kW and 2.4 kW it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Kerryman3 wrote: »
    It’s actually your installer too niallers, I thought prices might’ve gone up since you took the plunge but I see from recent posts they are giving better quotes than what I got even in recent weeks so I may get back on to them. Thanks.
    I also googled the batteries and very little price difference between 3.5 kW and 2.4 kW it seems.

    I noticed the spec seemed similar to mine. My quote didn't include the BER and diverter/ Installation of diverter so to that might account for the extra.
    I had also asked(nicely) if they could do something with the price as my initial quote was higher than my final price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    Is 6kw the maximum which can be installed , both panels and batteries?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    AidenL wrote: »
    Is 6kw the maximum which can be installed , both panels and batteries?

    Yep, 6kw is the max the esb will permit afaik. 6kw is loads.


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