Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Ferris · 12-04-2019 3:24pm

Yes but I think repeated harassment from a driver would be more likely to be taken seriously and to be recorded on pulse as the question of intent is clear.

Incidentally I have reported two incidents to Blackrock and have given statements on both occasions with corresponding pulse records. Now in fairness I've yet to hear more on either but the record will be there forever incase either driver re-offends, which I think is important.

Seth Brundle · 12-04-2019 3:59pm

Ferris wrote: »

Yes but I think repeated harassment from a driver would be more likely to be taken seriously and to be recorded on pulse as the question of intent is clear.

How do they know it is repeated harassment if there is no central record of the events?

Ferris · 12-04-2019 4:56pm

A statement made by the victim of said harassment

amcalester · 12-04-2019 7:29pm

Ferris wrote: »

A statement made by the victim of said harassment

Don’t think they log those on pulse so unless it’s the same guard and he remembers the previous statements there’s no way to join the dots.

Rechuchote · 12-04-2019 8:54pm

Isn't it a good idea to ask politely for the PULSE number relating to your complaint? Some guards will say they can't give you the number till they input it; some are more conscientious and will give it to you immediately, or so I've heard.

magicbastarder · 12-04-2019 10:05pm

how does it work from a general natural justice point of view about a complaint made about someone which a garda decides is not actionable. can they/do they keep a record in any system of this?

e.g. if a neighbour of mine (and there is one i don't quite get along with) made a malicious and false complaint about me, is there and should there be a record kept of it if a garda decides there's no case to answer?

axer · 13-04-2019 12:16am

magicbastarder wrote: »

how does it work from a general natural justice point of view about a complaint made about someone which a garda decides is not actionable. can they/do they keep a record in any system of this?

e.g. if a neighbour of mine (and there is one i don't quite get along with) made a malicious and false complaint about me, is there and should there be a record kept of it if a garda decides there's no case to answer?

Well when I tried to engage with the gardai recently about a dangerous close pass that I have video footage of I was told unless there is an action taken by a Garda then there is no record.

ED E · 13-04-2019 12:31am

I had a lunatic who owns a business on my commute follow me through town screaming from his car. I didnt want to prosecute as he has a record and the business has been in hot water too. Kinda character you avoid.

Wanted it logged in Pulse in case there was any further incidents and I had to take it further. Very helpful young member in the local station explained it was proceed with a traffic case or drop it and nothing goes on Pulse.

Video stored safely if he ever acts up again. Probably should leave instructions if I ever end up as roadkill.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 16-04-2019 8:48am

I saw a cyclist have a bit of a 'Falling Down' moment yesterday evening at Harolds Cross, and rightly so. I was coming out of town, but he was the far side of the bridge, approaching it from the Kimmage side in the right lane. It seems the motorist behind him took umbrage to his occupation of the lane and gave him a toot. The cyclist stopped dead in the road, held up the car and gave the motorist a right old ear bashing. Yer man in the car looked like he wanted the ground to open up and swallow him.

The Gardai have been at Harolds Cross the last two mornings pulling people using the bus lane. I saw a Garda pull a van this morning for using it. When he had the van pulled in two other cars whizzed by in the lane. People just don't give a flying fcuk (one of them was a learner).

I'm not sure if the people are getting tickets or not.

average_runner · 16-04-2019 2:43pm

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

I saw a cyclist have a bit of a 'Falling Down' moment yesterday evening at Harolds Cross, and rightly so. I was coming out of town, but he was the far side of the bridge, approaching it from the Kimmage side in the right lane. It seems the motorist behind him took umbrage to his occupation of the lane and gave him a toot. The cyclist stopped dead in the road, held up the car and gave the motorist a right old ear bashing. Yer man in the car looked like he wanted the ground to open up and swallow him.

The Gardai have been at Harolds Cross the last two mornings pulling people using the bus lane. I saw a Garda pull a van this morning for using it. When he had the van pulled in two other cars whizzed by in the lane. People just don't give a flying fcuk (one of them was a learner).

I'm not sure if the people are getting tickets or not.

I wish we had an automatic missile system that would target you if you broke a red light!!! Hence why I should never be the leader of this country!!

randomname2005 · 17-04-2019 8:19am

average_runner wrote: »

I wish we had an automatic missile system that would target you if you broke a red light!!! Hence why I should never be the leader of this country!!

No no no no no. That is too extreme. It should follow you until you stop, interrogate you as to why you broke the light (wouldn't want undercover cop cars following somebody or actually on real urgent activities getting blown up) and then go boom if you have no reason.

Fighting Tao · 17-04-2019 8:25am

Spikes that raise from the ground when lights go red would be a softer but extreme enough measure.

hesker · 17-04-2019 8:25am

Scary close pass at speed this morning. No reason for it. No reason for a punishment pass. Had a whole other side of the road to move into. Most likely on the phone. Didn’t get the reg. May have to go scouting later for it. He’s likely in one of the car parks nearby.

blackwhite · 17-04-2019 9:09am

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

The Gardai have been at Harolds Cross the last two mornings pulling people using the bus lane. I saw a Garda pull a van this morning for using it. When he had the van pulled in two other cars whizzed by in the lane. People just don't give a flying fcuk (one of them was a learner).

I'm not sure if the people are getting tickets or not.

Answered by AGS yesterday evening

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1118173326369804289

francois · 17-04-2019 9:13am

blackwhite wrote: »

Answered by AGS yesterday evening

None there at 8.30 this morning, I counted 5-yes 5-cars running a red light there

Rechuchote · 17-04-2019 9:56am

francois wrote: »

None there at 8.30 this morning, I counted 5-yes 5-cars running a red light there

The law is changing so that cameras that can automagically issue fines will soon be universal.

Seth Brundle · 17-04-2019 10:01am

Rechuchote wrote: »

The law is changing so that cameras that can automagically issue fines will soon be universal.

Universal?
How much is the budget for this?

magicbastarder · 17-04-2019 10:14am

francois wrote: »

None there at 8.30 this morning, I counted 5-yes 5-cars running a red light there

i guess it's a case of making people worry that there will be gardai there, rather than actually having gardai there, so you wouldn't need them every morning.

mr spuckler · 17-04-2019 10:19am

magicbastarder wrote: »

i guess it's a case of making people worry that there will be gardai there, rather than actually having gardai there, so you wouldn't need them every morning.

a bit like the fixed speed camera at the Spa Hotel near Lucan. had the fear of God in people for years but thew camera was very rarely in operation.

out of interest, where have all of those fixed cameras gone?

blackwhite · 17-04-2019 10:41am

mr spuckler wrote: »

a bit like the fixed speed camera at the Spa Hotel near Lucan. had the fear of God in people for years but thew camera was very rarely in operation.

out of interest, where have all of those fixed cameras gone?

Lifted during road widening works, and never replaced AFAIK

The red light camera at Con Colbert Rd - Sth Circular Road junction is still there, but I don't think it's been operational for a long time

Hurrache · 17-04-2019 10:47am

Last time I checked the shell of the one on the old N2 before Ashbourne was still there too, albeit taken over by nature. On the M50 the lines until relatively recently were still there for the one just before the airport northbound, and around Dundrum northbound. The lines are either gone now, or I just don't notice them anymore at this stage. As far as I know there were never actual cameras in place at either of those locations.

Fighting Tao · 17-04-2019 11:05am

The one at Dunleer on the M1 was removed due to cost. Someone had to go out and change the roll of film and it didn't take many photos to fill the roll. It was installed before roadside cameras became digital.

mr spuckler · 17-04-2019 11:42am

so it appears that they've basically given up on them! I can't remember the last time I heard of one being operational. fish in a barrel eh.

BoardsMember · 17-04-2019 12:25pm

It's just priceless the inpetitude with which we solve for things. It would be funny if it was not a road safety issue.

Lambay island · 17-04-2019 2:22pm

francois wrote: »

None there at 8.30 this morning, I counted 5-yes 5-cars running a red light there

Yes no cops this morn. I actually saw a car go into bus lane between the gap in the bollards( area to let bus out) right in front of me, no indicator of course either. They gained minus ground and put me at risk

magicbastarder · 17-04-2019 3:07pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-5-000-drivers-caught-using-phone-in-first-two-months-of-2019-1.3863368

nearly 100 a day? colour me gobsmacked. i've never seen nor heard of anyone getting caught.

jjpep · 17-04-2019 3:27pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-5-000-drivers-caught-using-phone-in-first-two-months-of-2019-1.3863368

nearly 100 a day? colour me gobsmacked. i've never seen nor heard of anyone getting caught.

You'd wonder is it the same number generator that the guards used for drink driving detections?

blackwhite · 17-04-2019 3:30pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-5-000-drivers-caught-using-phone-in-first-two-months-of-2019-1.3863368

nearly 100 a day? colour me gobsmacked. i've never seen nor heard of anyone getting caught.

I've seen people pulled on Merrion Rd a few times.

There's usually a garda on patrol around the British Embassy - at times when they're particularly bored I have seen them pull drivers out of the line of traffic for what I can only assume was seeing them on the phone. Notebook has been out times when I've passed them pulled over as well, so looks like tickets would have been issued

Eamonnator · 17-04-2019 4:09pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

The one at Dunleer on the M1 was removed due to cost. Someone had to go out and change the roll of film and it didn't take many photos to fill the roll. It was installed before roadside cameras became digital.

The cameras at Kilineer and Gormanston on the old N1 were the same type, no longer operational.
Cost wasn't really an issue. a garda from the Traffic Corps was detailed to look after them as part of his normal duties.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 17-04-2019 4:10pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

The cameras at Kilineer and Gormanston on the old N1 were the same type, no longer operational.
Cost wasn't really an issue. a garda from the Traffic Corps was detailed to look after them as part of his normal duties.

Were they rotating them around from location to location years ago?

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