Has ignoring red lights gotten a lot worse?

CramCycle · 01-04-2019 12:21PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If you are a pedestrian crossing on a green light at a crossing and cars and cyclists are not stopping then that is intimidating. If you are pedestrian on a footpath and a cyclists whizzes past you with cm that is intimidating. The whole point of a footpath is that you should not have to look out for traffic.

Its ****ehawk behaviour, pedestrian lights beside my kids school, often you have to wait on the green man for cars to stop, and on some occasions, the lights have went back to red as people kept driving through.

I remember years ago a courier doing his at College Green, old guy just stopped and jammed his shoulder out and the courier came to a dead stop and planted himself into the ground. The old guy was like the Glimmer man, didn't say a word, didn't give out, just blended into the crowd and was gone. Courier was so stunned he became confused that no one else was lying on the ground with him. Not saying I agree with physical confrontation but I have to say, it was a lesson well learned.

Red light jumping needs a cultural shift, it will take years, the only way to do this effectively is enforcement, the only reasonable and safe way to make that work is automate it and hand over Admin to a civilian team. Once it becomes the norm, younger people will not even think about it as its not the done thing, and then it will all but disappear.

average_runner · 01-04-2019 01:58PM

If you want to see how bad things are just go to these two junctions:

1. O'Connell bridge, massive junction but the amount of red light breaking from traffic from the port to the west is unreal. A clear red and they still go through that big junction. You want to know why people have a bad opinion of motorists, well just stay here for a half hour in the morning/evening rush and you see why.

2 Camden St junction down by Whelan's pub. You want to know why people have a bad opinion of cyclists, well just stay here for a half hour in the morning/evening rush and you see why.

Sometimes I feel like bringing a hurl with me and hit everything that goes through a red light, might not be a good idea though:eek:

trellheim · 01-04-2019 05:50PM

Camden St junction down by Whelan's pub. You want to know why people have a bad opinion of cyclists, well just stay here for a half hour in the morning/evening rush and you see why.

That was my commute a while back. I was waiting up the front at the red on the pushbike to go down Aungier st completely day-dreaming and a cyclist blazed past me ... didn't spot the copper on the motorbike right beside me who took this as a personal insult and went after him the lols were very funny

CramCycle · 02-04-2019 08:11AM

trellheim wrote: »

That was my commute a while back. I was waiting up the front at the red on the pushbike to go down Aungier st completely day-dreaming and a cyclist blazed past me ... didn't spot the copper on the motorbike right beside me who took this as a personal insult and went after him the lols were very funny

I always love it when this happens, if your paying so little attention that you don't cop a Garda, on foot, bike or car, then you simply cannot use the excuse that you were somehow "doing it safely". remember a Merc trying to turn right at the bottom of Camden St. (not allowed), sat there for ages, holding up traffic. Two Gardai on foot, down the road, just stood out on the road, waiting for him. Everyone else stopped when they seen the Gardai and he put the foot down and had to skid stop a few metres later. Whole junction erupted in as round of applause for the muppets stupidity.

blackwhite · 02-04-2019 08:54AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I always love it when this happens, if your paying so little attention that you don't cop a Garda, on foot, bike or car, then you simply cannot use the excuse that you were somehow "doing it safely". remember a Merc trying to turn right at the bottom of Camden St. (not allowed), sat there for ages, holding up traffic. Two Gardai on foot, down the road, just stood out on the road, waiting for him. Everyone else stopped when they seen the Gardai and he put the foot down and had to skid stop a few metres later. Whole junction erupted in as round of applause for the muppets stupidity.

TBH I'd always have the same train of thought with Go-Safe vans.

They are usually so visible in advance that I cannot understand how anybody managed to get caught - they must be half asleep!

amcalester · 02-04-2019 09:57AM

blackwhite wrote: »

TBH I'd always have the same train of thought with Go-Safe vans.

They are usually so visible in advance that I cannot understand how anybody managed to get caught - they must be half asleep!

I got caught by one of them, sailed past at 60km/h thinking what fecking eejit is going to get caught here.

A few weeks later got the fine in the post, turns out the limit was 50km/h.

So, to answer my own question. This fecking eejit.

Jimmy Conway · 03-04-2019 04:07PM

And the amount of ballbags who'll break a red light where two sets of lights are literally one after another. They'll break the first set only to end up sitting at the second set. Red light breakers really boil my piss.

PWEI · 04-04-2019 02:15PM

Jimmy Conway wrote: »

And the amount of ballbags who'll break a red light where two sets of lights are literally one after another. They'll break the first set only to end up sitting at the second set. Red light breakers really boil my piss.

I see this daily outside the Skylon Hotel in Drumcondra.
There are two sets of lights that go red at the same time and nearly every time they do, motorists break the first only to get stuck on the 2nd.
Drives me mad!

AndrewJRenko · 05-04-2019 10:21PM

Someone really should do something about those bloody cyclists:

https://streamable.com/k907q

McCrack · 06-04-2019 11:43AM

No it's the killing and maiming motorists that should be shot

All they seem to do is kill, kill, kill and maim

AndrewJRenko · 06-04-2019 11:54AM

McCrack wrote: »

No it's the killing and maiming motorists that should be shot

All they seem to do is kill, kill, kill and maim

Well, shooting would be a little harsh, but maybe some reasonable prospect of getting caught and fined when they break lights or break the speed limit would be nice.

And you've got the balance wrong there at the end - actually more maiming then killing, so maybe try it the other way round.

amcalester · 06-04-2019 06:57PM

It’s not just red lights motorists don’t stop for.

Road blocked off for half marathon, sure I’ll just drive through slowly pushing this man out of my way.

https://streamable.com/f2p4v

Duckjob · 07-04-2019 04:42PM

amcalester wrote: »

It’s not just red lights motorists don’t stop for.

Road blocked off for half marathon, sure I’ll just drive through slowly pushing this man out of my way.

https://streamable.com/f2p4v

That lady would benefit greatly from being in the marathon instead of in her car.

Zipppy · 07-04-2019 08:39PM

amcalester wrote:

Road blocked off for half marathon, sure Iâ€™ll just drive through slowly pushing this man out of my way.

amcalester wrote:

Itâ€™s not just red lights motorists donâ€™t stop for.

B*tch

monument · 07-04-2019 11:58PM

Zipppy wrote: »

B*tch

Cut that out -- it's pointless and doesn't add anything.

-- moderator

AndrewJRenko · 08-04-2019 07:15AM

Baby steps in the right direction

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cameras-to-be-installed-at-three-blackspots-to-catch-red-light-runners-1.3852548

CrankyHaus · 08-04-2019 09:14AM

Good to see something finally being done.
Another type of red light running that has become rampant is motorists deliberately taking a turn through an active pedestrian crossing at junctions where no left turn is permitted. In rush hour it happens nearly every sequence at the Annesley Place junction with North Strand Rd in Dublin 1.

08-04-2019 09:16AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Baby steps in the right direction

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cameras-to-be-installed-at-three-blackspots-to-catch-red-light-runners-1.3852548

1,620 traffic lights in Dublin according to the article and we will have cameras at 3.

Zebra3 · 08-04-2019 09:16AM

Something small being done anyway.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cameras-to-be-installed-at-three-blackspots-to-catch-red-light-runners-1.3852548?mode=amp

(Subscription only).

Jamie2k9 · 08-04-2019 12:04PM

Interesting a rather quick reversal of a decision to not operate any more cameras. Im sure Transdev put them under pressure after the recent bus collision (Queen St).

Think they said they had no plans a few weeks ago!

pmcc1 · 08-04-2019 12:35PM

I've read this same announcement that they are to deploy red light cameras at these locations before in 2008, '15 & now.
And each time shortly after there was a high-profile collision with a tram - which there has just been.
I won't be holding my breath to see these installed.

Zipppy · 08-04-2019 02:46PM

monument wrote: »

Cut that out -- it's pointless and doesn't add anything.

-- moderator

Yes apologies that was out of order.

Sorry, Zip

.G. · 08-04-2019 02:52PM

I follow busconnects on twitter and in response to a question they said that they are waiting for legislation to be brought in so that they can start installing and operating these cameras themselves so that gardai won't be involved in the enforcement of them. Once that comes in we should see lots of them installed.

Spook_ie · 08-04-2019 10:15PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Good to see something finally being done.
Another type of red light running that has become rampant is motorists deliberately taking a turn through an active pedestrian crossing at junctions where no left turn is permitted. In rush hour it happens nearly every sequence at the Annesley Place junction with North Strand Rd in Dublin 1.

Yes nice to see something being done however it would seem to account for only 54% of the present camera activations, hopefully they do something to push it nearer to 100%.

More than 700 prosecutions were brought. Several hundred were not pursued because they were unidentifiable cyclists, the camera images were obscured or the vehicle registration was not visible.

First Up · 09-04-2019 07:59AM

The risk of being caught on camera will be a deterrent, especially after some well publicised prosecutions. You don't need cameras at every junction; if motorists aren't sure, most won't take a chance. (The drink driving thing works in the same way.)

But we will need more than three to get the message out to motorists.

Cyclists are a seperate matter; but I won't get started on that.

CramCycle · 09-04-2019 11:08AM

First Up wrote: »

The risk of being caught on camera will be a deterrent, especially after some well publicised prosecutions. You don't need cameras at every junction; if motorists aren't sure, most won't take a chance. (The drink driving thing works in the same way.)

But we will need more than three to get the message out to motorists.

Cyclists are a seperate matter; but I won't get started on that.

But thats the issue here, they have publicised it, if they want to publicise it, they sould have just said they are installing traffic light cameras at a number of junctions around Dublin and they will be operational from the 1st of May or whenever. For about a month, you should see a drop in numbers until people figure out the junctions that have them, by which time the cost of them will have been covered and you can roll them out everywhere. The speed cameras have the same issue. i remember the Garda commissioner going in front of the Oireachtas and saying we clearly don't speed as much as we thought as the speed vans are getting far lower rates of speeding than preliminary investigations indicated. That is BS and we all know it. People know their location, many know the pattern of their shifts at this time and there are tons of FB pages saying when they are there. This is why speeding is getting worse as people are learning where they can get away with it. Average speed cameras would have made more sense and hopefully these cameras can be updated if they are rolled out further to include average speed calculators.

First Up · 09-04-2019 11:28AM

CramCycle wrote:

But thats the issue here, they have publicised it, if they want to publicise it, they sould have just said they are installing traffic light cameras at a number of junctions around Dublin and they will be operational from the 1st of May or whenever. For about a month, you should see a drop in numbers until people figure out the junctions that have them, by which time the cost of them will have been covered and you can roll them out everywhere. The speed cameras have the same issue. i remember the Garda commissioner going in front of the Oireachtas and saying we clearly don't speed as much as we thought as the speed vans are getting far lower rates of speeding than preliminary investigations indicated. That is BS and we all know it. People know their location, many know the pattern of their shifts at this time and there are tons of FB pages saying when they are there. This is why speeding is getting worse as people are learning where they can get away with it. Average speed cameras would have made more sense and hopefully these cameras can be updated if they are rolled out further to include average speed calculators.

Well its a pilot/trial scheme. One aspect is to see how well the cameras work and another will be to measure changes in behaviour. Both will be useful in planning the wider roll-out.

When the results can be demonstrated - especially how offenders are being caught and punished, I expect the next phase will be to announce much wider installation but not say where they are.

highdef · 09-04-2019 11:44AM

CramCycle wrote: »

But thats the issue here, they have publicised it, if they want to publicise it, they sould have just said they are installing traffic light cameras at a number of junctions around Dublin and they will be operational from the 1st of May or whenever. For about a month, you should see a drop in numbers until people figure out the junctions that have them, by which time the cost of them will have been covered and you can roll them out everywhere. The speed cameras have the same issue. i remember the Garda commissioner going in front of the Oireachtas and saying we clearly don't speed as much as we thought as the speed vans are getting far lower rates of speeding than preliminary investigations indicated. That is BS and we all know it. People know their location, many know the pattern of their shifts at this time and there are tons of FB pages saying when they are there. This is why speeding is getting worse as people are learning where they can get away with it. Average speed cameras would have made more sense and hopefully these cameras can be updated if they are rolled out further to include average speed calculators.

Yeah, I've never understood why speed cameras need to be so visible and also why the areas they need to operate need to be publicised. The less that is made public, the better the chance of people being caught. The more people that are caught (initially) will quickly lead to lower speeds across the board as people will realise that you can be caught anywhere and at any time.

It's like publicising when banks get their money collected from a cash in transit van and also what sort of security is provided during the transaction....obviously this is not done as there are some non-law abiding citizens who will take advantage of knowing this information and will try to gain benefit from it. In this case, they would benefit with money. Those who speed and break red lights benefit with extra time to themselves.

magicbastarder · 09-04-2019 12:55PM

highdef wrote: »

Yeah, I've never understood why speed cameras need to be so visible and also why the areas they need to operate need to be publicised. The less that is made public, the better the chance of people being caught. The more people that are caught (initially) will quickly lead to lower speeds across the board as people will realise that you can be caught anywhere and at any time.

the funny thing is that this is not the argument anti-speed van people use, they say it should be about slowing people down in the first place, rather than catching them in the act after they've done it.

it avoids the rather obvious counter-argument that if people know they'll see a speed van before they reach it, they'll also know that if they can't see one, it's OK to speed. having a policy of making the vans deliberately visible *encourages* speeding, rather than discouraging it.

fullstop · 10-04-2019 08:47AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Someone really should do something about those bloody cyclists:

https://streamable.com/k907q

First 3 seconds of the clip...3 cyclists break the red light. LOL.

Has ignoring red lights gotten a lot worse?

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