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    #2912
    Orion
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Child abuse are you for real ? not one parent ever complained about Wakefield.

    I think you have being reading too much in the fake media about Wakefield.

    Not only did not a single parent accuse Wakefield of "child abuse" but they all actively supported him during his show trial.

    Its a very strange case of "child abuse" were the parents have nothing but good things to say about the alleged abuser.





    https://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/no-parent-ever-complained-to-gmc-public-statement-from-lancet-families-supports-the-mmr3.html


    "fake media" - DRINK!


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    #2913
    Orion
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you compare Vaxxed vs non Vaxxed children you will find the non Vaxxed children have alot less disease.

    Dead children don't get diseases.


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    #2914
    Orion
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    Littlelamb2 wrote: »
    Depends on where they are on the spectrum? Does Bill Gates need 24/7 care?

    I know a number of people with autism. None of them need 24/7 care.


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    #2915
    Igotadose
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    And people wonder why there aren't more Andrew Wakefields.


    Actually, I doubt any people wonder why there aren't any more Wakefields. I used to wonder what gave rise to the anti-vax movement and the blithe acceptance of voodoo claptrap as science. Not any more - it's just an evil cult.


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    #2916
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Science isn't a democracy. You do understand that, right? You don't get to vote for what's true, you prove it. This Wakefield-wannabe study rightfully was dismissed as scientifically inept. The only lesson to take from this, is that it's better that this kind of 'study' is brought to light and refuted faster than in the past.




    Exactly just because the majority of people believe Vaccines are harmless doesn't make it true.

    A generation ago most Doctors believed cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

    History will prove Wakefield was right.





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    #2917
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Exactly just because the majority of people believe Vaccines are harmless doesn't make it true.

    A generation ago most Doctors believed cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

    History will prove Wakefield was right.




    History won't vindicate Wakefield on any level.


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    #2918
    Dr Brown
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    A charlatan who hoped to profit from the preventable suffering of children.

    A vile person.


    Nonsense.


    If Wakefield was only in it for the money he could of backed down and kept his job.


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    #2919
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Exactly just because the majority of people believe Vaccines are harmless doesn't make it true.

    A generation ago most Doctors believed cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

    History will prove Wakefield was right.

    Getting struck off seems an inauspicious start.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2920
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Nonsense.


    If Wakefield was only in it for the money he could of backed down and kept his job.

    Or cashed in. Here's his mansion in Texas:

    andrew-wakefield-mansion.jpg?w=548&ssl=1

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2921
    WinnyThePoo
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Exactly just because the majority of people believe Vaccines are harmless doesn't make it true.

    A generation ago most Doctors believed cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

    History will prove Wakefield was right.




    History won't vindicate Wakefield on any level.

    %100. He's a con man. That's it.


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    #2922
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown, how long do you think a generation is?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2923
    Igotadose
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Exactly just because the majority of people believe Vaccines are harmless doesn't make it true.

    No, generations of people see the benefits of vaccines which greatly outweigh the risks. The data have been presented ad-naseum. And despite the whining from the true believers of anti-vax like yourself, nothing's changed. Wakefield is a charlatan and con-artist, not unknown in the history of medicine, and was duly struck off. He grifts the true believers like yourself to stay solvent.

    And vaccines are effective, because science isn't a democracy. Belief doesn't enter into science, unlike anti-vaxx pseudoscience, which is entirely about belief, based on anecdotes. "Anecdotes are not data."

    And as for the doctors and cancer thing, that too, was debunked, via that nasty non-democratic science stuff you anti-vaxxers abhor.

    As for history proving Wakefield right, do share succinctly what you think he will be proven right about. Or not, as you know we'll quickly debunk it. But, up to you. A legitimate, non-refuted piece of d a t a might help your case. I doubt you have anything. And just don't post a link if you do, extract the relevant bits. Thanks.


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    #2924
    Dr Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    History won't vindicate Wakefield on any level.




    One of the first Doctors to prove that lead was poison also faced character assassination like Wakefield but he was proved right in the end.


    Just like Wakefield Dr Herbert Needleman was also accused of scientific fraud.


    The same people attacking Wakefield without hearing the full story probably would of also attacked Dr Herbert Needleman back in the day.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Needleman


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    #2925
    WinnyThePoo
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    Wakefield is a con man. Who turns up on info wars. History will vilify him for his con.


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    #2926
    Dr Brown
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Or cashed in. Here's his mansion in Texas:

    andrew-wakefield-mansion.jpg?w=548&ssl=1


    Let me guess you go that from Brian Deer ?


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    #2927
    Igotadose
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Or cashed in. Here's his mansion in Texas:

    andrew-wakefield-mansion.jpg?w=548&ssl=1

    Grifting pays. Too bad he caused so much pain in Minneapolis among the Somali's living there. At least he's not a Dr. in the US, just a 'presenter.' Shame really that money could be spent on better needs, like health care for the indigent in the US. But, people are suckers.


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    #2928
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Let me guess you go that from Brian Deer ?

    Of course. Deflect.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2929
    ancapailldorcha
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    Grifting pays. Too bad he caused so much pain in Minneapolis among the Somali's living there. At least he's not a Dr. in the US, just a 'presenter.' Shame really that money could be spent on better needs, like health care for the indigent in the US. But, people are suckers.

    US is a whole kettle of fish though. The likes of Evangelical preachers, Dr. Oz and other charlatans are doing things there they'd never get away with in Europe.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2930
    Dr Brown
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Of course. Deflect.




    The Tommy family also lived in that house.




    If Wakefield was really that "rich" he would of had enough money to appeal being struck off just like Dr John Walker Smith did who was fully cleared up any wrong doing. But Wakefield couldn't even afford to do that.


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    #2931
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The Tommy family also lived in that house.




    If Wakefield was really that "rich" he would of had enough money to appeal being struck off that like Dr John Walker Smith did who was full cleared up any wrong doing. But Wakefield couldn't even afford to do that.

    He probably did and it was upheld. Cultural diseases like him don't disappear quietly. Feel free to substantiate your claim of course.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2932
    Dr Brown
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    He probably did and it was upheld. Cultural diseases like him don't disappear quietly. Feel free to substantiate your claim of course.




    Nope that shows how little you know about the case.


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    #2933
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Nope that shows how little you know about the case.

    Prove me wrong. You made the original claim I responded to.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2934
    Dohnjoe
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    One of the first Doctors to prove that lead was poison also faced character assassination like Wakefield but he was proved right in the end.

    So because a different individual entirely in a completely different situation concerning a different subject-matter was shown to be correct..

    by extension Wakefield will be shown to be "correct". Interesting use of that logical fallacy.


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    #2935
    batgoat
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    He probably did and it was upheld. Cultural diseases like him don't disappear quietly. Feel free to substantiate your claim of course.

    He's also been in a relationship with a multi millionaire model so he's far from broke these days.


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    #2936
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    So because a different individual entirely in a completely different situation concerning a different subject-matter was shown to be correct..

    by extension Wakefield will be shown to be "correct". Interesting use of that logical fallacy.


    A Doctor standing up against billion dollar corporations ends up getting destroyed because of a inconvenient truth.

    History repeats its self.

    You probably would of attacked Dr Herbert Needledman back in the day.


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    #2937
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    A Doctor standing up against billion dollar corporations ends up getting destroyed because of a inconvenient truth.

    History repeats its self.

    You probably would of attacked Dr Herbert Needledman back in the day.

    The comparison is ridiculous. Wakefield abused children and made an industry out of promoting infant suffering and mortality.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2938
    brightspark
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    A Doctor standing up against billion dollar corporations ends up getting destroyed because of a inconvenient truth.

    History repeats its self.

    You probably would of attacked Dr Herbert Needledman back in the day.

    What truth was there in Andrew Wakefield's work?


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    #2939
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The comparison is ridiculous. Wakefield abused children and made an industry out of promoting infant suffering and mortality.




    Your talking nonsense again.


    Why wasn't any criminal charges brought against him if he "abused" children.


    Or why didn't the parents sue him for the "abuse" ?


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    #2940
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Your talking nonsense again.


    Why wasn't any criminal charges brought against him if he "abused" children.


    Or why didn't the parents sue him for the "abuse" ?

    No idea. You'd have to ask them.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2941
    CramCycle
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Nonsense.


    If Wakefield was only in it for the money he could of backed down and kept his job.

    I'd read up on this before spouting such nonsense, Wakefield himself was pro vaccine, just not the 4in1. It would later turn out that he had a conflict of interests, being involved with companies that produced the individual vaccines and was as such a conflict of interest. Read up on who the study was funded by, that alone should have been declared as a conflict of interest.

    Further studies with cohorts ranging from 100,000 upto several million, could find no link between the vaccine and autism. they did have controls, with over 100,000 children used as controls, who never had the vaccine. They found there was no difference in the risk of becoming autistic, in fact, there was a sub study looking at those considered more at risk, due to family histories, siblings etc. Again, no increased risk.

    Unlike the Wakefield study that had 12 children, who were diagnosed with Autism, and even then, he excluded results that disagreed with his wanted result.

    He was in it for nothing but the money, and got caught. Thank C4 for their investigations which brought alot of this too light.

    His strong anti vax stance came about later when he was all out of money and places to go.

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