Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

MadYaker wrote: »

I've been reading a few Facebook groups for supporters of various brexiteers, Mogg, Johnson etc and the oddest thing I've seen so far is that none of the people in these groups seem to be able to explain why they want to leave the E.U and why they hate the E.U so much. Are their lives such a misery now that brexit is somehow goiing to make things better? How could you want something so badly but not have reasons why?

It’s basically an anti European ethnic distaste. They hate the French and Germans with a passion and most of these are still
reliving WW1 and 2 in their daily lives.
Yet they drive German and French car, guzzle french wine, holiday in Benidorm and the Canaries! None of Brexit is based on any rationality so it’s pointless looking for ones

Sam Russell wrote: »

It is not as simple as that.

If there are three seats, hen the quota is 25% of the valid poll, while it is 20% for four seats. So a different quota will affect the counting, and possibly the third and fourth seats. There would have to be two separate counts, one for three seats and one four four seats.

Obviosly, this is a nightmare.

I think what he's saying is that the seats are all voted for, but the last one that's allocated is put on furlough. So if it's a four seater (up from three), the four are voted on and allocated, but number four puts their feet up until the brits leave.

Sam Russell wrote: »

Wel, at least when they hoiday in the Canaries, they aare outside the EU. They probably do not realise it though.

Didnt realize that one myself! I knew it had different arrangements from mainland Spain didn’t know it’s outside

road_high wrote: »

Read in the Indo there Juncker isn’t going to allow yet another extension- is this true?

He is not going to allow a short extension unless the deal is passed. If the deal is not passed by the 12th, then the only possible extension is a long extension if the UK can propose a workable plan to justify receiving such an extension.

A Soft Brexit might be the best all round. WA + CU + part SM, whether the battle for a Ref is worth it, not really. It would be this type of Deal against No Brexit.
IWT that Deal would get a majority.
Corbyn was saying that TM must accept TM Deal is dead. Though I think that means the alt above so changes the WA that it no longer reflects TM's aspiration. It becomes a LB Deal.
TM can take the WA as is V 2nd Ref
or the Alt Deal above with no 2nd Ref.
Both get a majority in HOC.

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Surely a joke?

A dumb joke. In Ireland you never quite get how watered down the UK education system is and how misinformed and insular people can be. Follow that with the daily feeding of anger and belligerence by the tory rags. Prince Harry's Mrs must be delighted by Brexit, she has a respite from all the hate.

Recently the daily flap had stories about rich homeless beggars earning a great salary on the streets. Pure sh!te.. 'tis no wonder we are where we are.

RTE and SKY are the two good sources, rest are crap.

road_high wrote: »

Read in the Indo there Juncker isn’t going to allow yet another extension- is this true?

Presume he is giving Commission view on it.
The UK are out of the EU end of next week unless agreement is passed regardless of all the shenanigans and procedural theatrics that goes on in the UK parliament.

It is up to the heads of state (Council of Ministers) to come to a decision to change this to "something else" (a new extension of some type pending request from UK PM??) before the 12th the prevent that as far as I understand.

So Juncker said today there will be no further short extension. The WA will be ratified by the 12th or they're out.
Why is everyone acting so normal? Parliament and media and everyone acting as if the UK had all those options?
What am I missing?

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

A dumb joke. In Ireland you never quite get how watered down the UK education system is and how misinformed and insular people can be. Follow that with the daily feeding of anger and belligerence by the tory rags. Prince Harry's Mrs must be delighted by Brexit, she has a respite from all the hate.

Recently the daily flap had stories about rich homeless beggars earning a great salary on the streets. Pure sh!te.. 'tis no wonder we are where we are.

Well we always had a fair idea with the haphazard consideration of geography and knowledge of anything outside the mainland.

And if we didn't before now, we do now!

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We have told you before about reading the Indo. No point in using that as a reference point and then asking us for clarification or affirmation.

Be the first to agree it’s absolute toilet paper and had recently taken an extremely anti Irish govt viewpoint lately by continually scaremongering and the EU supposedly about to sell us out every day.
I tebd to use it as a reference out of historical default, I should read the Times instead

May has played a blinder, she has lured Corbyn in knowing a crashout on April 12th is happening. The blame game can then begin, May will resign and Borris will be PM, a Snap Election and Labour in dissaray and the Tories think they will walk it in again, which they will if they honour and deliver a real true Hard Brexit. Corbyn is willing to go along as he himself is anti-EU and wants to get into power so he can go about with his programmes of Nationalisation and Socialist Agenda. Both sides think they will win, however the spot price of gold and markets are hedging for the hardest of hard Brexits. A crash out is going to happen, patriots will be happy that the Empire has enough again defeated the Gerrys.

Good to see the outing of a Machievellan.

theguzman wrote: »

May has played a blinder, she has lured Corbyn in knowing a crashout on April 12th is happening. The blame game can then begin, May will resign and Borris will be PM, a Snap Election and Labour in dissaray and the Tories think they will walk it in again, which they will if they honour and deliver a real true Hard Brexit. Corbyn is willing to go along as he himself is anti-EU and wants to get into power so he can go about with his programmes of Nationalisation and Socialist Agenda. Both sides think they will win, however the spot price of gold and markets are hedging for the hardest of hard Brexits. A crash out is going to happen, patriots will be happy that the Empire has enough again defeated the Gerrys.

Defeated the Gerrys by cutting off your markets to them....there’s Brexit logic in all its glory