Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Imreoir2 · 03-04-2019 05:47PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Precedence states that any vote to be carried should have a majority of the house so the Speaker, as is right, casts a vote to keep the "status quo" as it were.

Can I assume that we will be hearing a string of FG ministers blame SF for this, dispite this particuar vote going one way or the other not being all that important in any case?

gooch2k9 · 03-04-2019 05:47PM

volchitsa wrote: »

So that means the Tories are just one more resignation away from losing their majority, even with the DUP, amirite?

No, he only resigned as minister. He'll now be a backbench Conservative.

Imreoir2 · 03-04-2019 05:49PM

volchitsa wrote: »

So that means the Tories are just one more resignation away from losing their majority, even with the DUP, amirite?

No, he has resigned from his position, not from the party. He is still a conservative MP, just a backbench one now.

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2019 05:49PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Can I assume that we will be hearing a string of FG ministers blame SF for this, dispite this particuar vote going one way or the other not being all that important in any case?

Unlikely, but you'll definitely hear the usuals on here having their daily SF moan when they get home from work.

Imreoir2 · 03-04-2019 05:50PM

Can someone outline what the nature of the current vote is? What is the motion now?

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta · 03-04-2019 05:54PM

312 to 311 approving a debate on the Cooper Bill. Shocking.

An Ciarraioch · 03-04-2019 05:55PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Can someone outline what the nature of the current vote is? What is the motion now?

Whether or not the actual Cooper motion to override no deal is debated in the House, and later voted upon.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta · 03-04-2019 05:56PM

I don't think May has any choice now but to agree to a confirmatory vote, it's either that or she'll have to ask for a very long extension and take part in MEP elections.

Spanish Eyes · 03-04-2019 06:00PM

Hi, just wondered if some kind soul could summarise today's events. Am out and about, long day, and cannot figure out what's happening. (If anything!).

ShooterSF · 03-04-2019 06:06PM

This bill seems absurd. The PM wants a short extension to pass her deal. If this bill passes they can force her to go to the EU and ask for a long extension but the EU has already said a solid plan needs to be in place and how can it grant an extension knowing not only is no plan in place but the person coming asking for it doesn't even want it. How can they expect a plan to form from that.

Edit even the guardian (rather anti-brexit) is calling this a dangerous distraction

10000maniacs · 03-04-2019 06:08PM

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta wrote: »

312 to 311 approving a debate on the Cooper Bill. Shocking.

Bercow had no choice. A draw is always a rejection.

Enzokk · 03-04-2019 06:11PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Bercow had no choice. A draw is always a rejection.

He is already being accused of being a Remainer and plotting against Brexit, can you imagine if he voted yes. As with previous decisions he explained his reasons and it seems reasonable even if you don't want to agree with it.

An Ciarraioch · 03-04-2019 06:24PM

Gavan Reilly says the last tie in the Dáil was in January 2017.

Horsebox9000 · 03-04-2019 06:26PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Unlikely, but you'll definitely hear the usuals on here having their daily SF moan when they get home from work.

Empahsis on the home from work part.

Unlike the average SF voter...

Hurrache · 03-04-2019 06:29PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Gavan Reilly says the last tie in the Dáil was in January 2017.

I think it may have happened twice here in reasonably quick succession.

MikeSoys · 03-04-2019 06:57PM

LIVE: MPs agree to allow attempt to pass legislation seeking to prevent 'no-deal' #Brexit on April 12 https://t.co/tQ7ba8CEbU https://t.co/5nBH16dvfj

An Ciarraioch · 03-04-2019 07:08PM

Writ to be laid for European elections next week:

http://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1113502892361703431

An Ciarraioch · 03-04-2019 07:20PM

Higher margin for Cooper on second reading than first (315-310), suggests it'll pass later.

prawnsambo · 03-04-2019 07:22PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Writ to be laid for European elections next week:

http://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1113502892361703431

This is pathetic. It causes a massive headache for the EU because of seat allocations. As it is, around 50 seats have been dropped and now they have to reinstate them again?

ShooterSF · 03-04-2019 07:23PM

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1113502434507333632

No demand for a confirmatory vote from the head of the opposition in negotiating a compromise.

Joe_ Public · 03-04-2019 07:26PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1113502434507333632

No demand for a confirmatory vote from the head of the opposition in negotiating a compromise.

He says he raised it as an issue so it wasn't ignored, but certainly nowhere near a "demand" which, anyway, might just have stopped the talks dead in their tracks so not sure he can win either way in this scenario.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-04-2019 07:29PM

MadYaker wrote: »

It's just a ploy so she can blame a no deal brexit on the labour party. When you realise that she values the survival of the tory party above all else then her moves start to make a bit more sense.

Crobyn had said permanent customs union and preserving workers rights.

The first is a red line on rule taking. The second is a red line for any true Tory.

So I can't see a compromise. Maybe for a GE but that's not going to be done in the next 11 days.

But the thing that also stands out, or rather doesn't , is the Lib Dems.
They too appear to be split by Brexit. Some of the recent votes had only 5 voting and they've missed key Brexit votes before. Say what you want about the DUP , they are a voting bloc.

All three of the big historic English parties have problems getting their MP's to vote on party lines.

Frank Bullitt · 03-04-2019 07:30PM

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1113508546015055877

MadYaker · 03-04-2019 07:33PM

The U.K is still massivley divided on brexit as a whole and parliament can't help but reflect that. If you look at opinion polls or even read comments on various social media they all want something different. Some want a hard brexit, some want a soft brexit, some want no brexit at all.

L1011 · 03-04-2019 07:42PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

This is pathetic. It causes a massive headache for the EU because of seat allocations. As it is, around 50 seats have been dropped and now they have to reinstate them again?

The reallocated seats will still be voted for but the recipient (so the last MEP elected in Dublin and South) will be furloughed until the UK does leave, if ever.

Spanish Eyes · 03-04-2019 07:46PM

L1011 wrote: »

The reallocated seats will still be voted for but the recipient (so the last MEP elected in Dublin and South) will be furloughed until the UK does leave, if ever.

Command and control from the UK again. It is just unreal.

marno21 · 03-04-2019 07:54PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The U.K is still massivley divided on brexit as a whole and parliament can't help but reflect that. If you look at opinion polls or even read comments on various social media they all want something different. Some want a hard brexit, some want a soft brexit, some want no brexit at all.

The only specific option that commands a majority is remain. If people knew the actual ins and outs of the other options, the majority would likely be even more remain.

I would argue the majority of people supporting "no deal" are unaware of the ramifications of such an endeavour.

prawnsambo · 03-04-2019 08:06PM

marno21 wrote: »

I would argue the majority of people supporting "no deal" are unaware of the ramifications of such an endeavour.

Some do. But most just don't want to know. They just want to collect their 'prize'.

MadYaker · 03-04-2019 08:12PM

I've been reading a few Facebook groups for supporters of various brexiteers, Mogg, Johnson etc and the oddest thing I've seen so far is that none of the people in these groups seem to be able to explain why they want to leave the E.U and why they hate the E.U so much. Are their lives such a misery now that brexit is somehow goiing to make things better? How could you want something so badly but not have reasons why?

Sam Russell · 03-04-2019 08:13PM

L1011 wrote: »

The reallocated seats will still be voted for but the recipient (so the last MEP elected in Dublin and South) will be furloughed until the UK does leave, if ever.

It is not as simple as that.

If there are three seats, hen the quota is 25% of the valid poll, while it is 20% for four seats. So a different quota will affect the counting, and possibly the third and fourth seats. There would have to be two separate counts, one for three seats and one four four seats.

Obviosly, this is a nightmare.

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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