John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 01:26PM

listermint wrote: »

Confirming my original thoughts..

How pathetic must it be to think everybody who doesn’t agree with you is due to an agenda?

Listermint /Ignore list

MaceFace · 27-03-2019 01:30PM

The FAI could cease to exist tomorrow and football will still continue.
You don't need money to play football.

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 01:54PM

MaceFace wrote: »

The FAI could cease to exist tomorrow and football will still continue.
You don't need money to play football.

We’d be thrown out of all fifa and uefa competitions and the LOI would probably collapse as crowds wouldn’t go to games if there was no prospect of playing in Europe. Astro.ie and jumpers for goalposts leagues’ would be alright.

GavRedKing · 27-03-2019 02:58PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

We’d be thrown out of all fifa and uefa competitions and the LOI would probably collapse as crowds wouldn’t go to games if there was no prospect of playing in Europe. Astro.ie and jumpers for goalposts leagues’ would be alright.

So what about teams in League 2 in England, they get small and comparable crowds 1-5k every game and they've considerably less chance of getting to Europe than a LoI side, why dont their fans all f**k off with no prospect of European football to look forward?

You can replace League 2 teams above with any comparable league in Europe too by the way.

Muahahaha · 27-03-2019 03:22PM

joeysoap wrote: »

Grainne Seoige’s house in Wicklow mentioned in the papers . He’s bought a house in Wicklow for €875,000 according to the same paper.

Picture of the house here, it was up for repossession by KBC at one stage
http://vipmagazine.ie/grainne-seoiges-home-repossession-case-was-in-court-this-morning/

DeanAustin wrote: »

Granted, it did look a bit murky but to be fair, you could imagine that it went something like:

Blatter: "You've no hope of getting the game replayed or getting into the World Cup. I'll give you €5m to shut up and go away. Take it or else have your 5 minutes of fame but the world will forget about you in a few weeks."

What was Delaney to do? Refuse the money on a point of principle?

iirc Delaney is on record as saying he should have asked for €10m. I'm not a fan of Delaney but my understanding of the €5m payment was that it was a legal settlement and not a bribe as some are calling it. FIFA (along with the IOC) allow any football related disputes to be referred to the Court of Arbitration for Sport based in Lausanne, Switzerland. Any footballer/club/football association can take a case against FIFA in this court, for example todays case is a 2nd division Cameroon club called Bamboutos FC seeking artbritration with FIFA over a relegation dispute. Tomorrows case is FC Rubin Kazan Vs. UEFA.
https://www.tas-cas.org/en/general-information/news-detail/article/list-of-cas-hearings.html

Basically the €5m was for the FAI not to take a case to the Court of Arbritation for Sport. If it had of gone that route then the FAI would likely have won several million in compensation anyway. Blatter likely had legal advice telling him the same so rather than face a bloody nose in public and on his home soil he paid the FAI a legal settlement to drop any notion of taking the case.In a legal sense the FAI had a right to be compensated for missing out on the World Cup, a settlement rather than a court case was in both Blatters and Delaneys interests so thats what happened.

fullstop · 27-03-2019 03:25PM

listermint wrote: »

Also I'm getting frequently more suspicious about connections of posters in this thread to the organisation because there's alot of white washing going on. That's very evident.

The poster you replied to has 70ish posts in the thread, all of them defending dear leader. Hmm...

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 03:25PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

So what about teams in League 2 in England, they get small and comparable crowds 1-5k every game and they've considerably less chance of getting to Europe than a LoI side, why dont their fans all f**k off with no prospect of European football to look forward?

You can replace League 2 teams above with any comparable league in Europe too by the way.

I’ll swerve an actual debate on whether Irish football could flourish without its clubs and national team being allowed into international competitions if that’s alright with you.

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 03:29PM

Yes I was defending the dear leader when I said he was a prick who depended on cronyism. Another empty vessel for the ignore list.

GavRedKing · 27-03-2019 04:16PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

I’ll swerve an actual debate on whether Irish football could flourish without its clubs and national team being allowed into international competitions if that’s alright with you.

No problem, do as you please.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Unfortunately our government is the stingiest government in the entire EU when it comes to sports investment. But no one talks about that. They just blame the FAI for everything and don’t see the bigger picture.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Yes, I’ll dig out the report and put it up.

Don’t believe the media spin that the government pumps money into the FAI and it’s all a big waste. Do your own research, form your own opinions.

Any update on this though?

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 04:19PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

No problem, do as you please.

Any update on this though?

Not as yet, I’m working, think it’s on my favorites on my iPad so will check there in a few hours.

kippy · 27-03-2019 04:23PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Not as yet, I’m working, think it’s on my favorites on my iPad so will check there in a few hours.

Looking forward to this.

Can you also outline why the FAI struggle to meet it's cashflow requirements or indeed provide some evidence to back up that statement?

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 04:24PM

The 5 million only came to light as a result of leaks. The issue most people had is that it was kept secret.

givyjoe · 27-03-2019 04:37PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

How pathetic must it be to think everybody who doesn’t agree with you is due to an agenda?

Listermint /Ignore list

To be fair, I'd say most people think you have an agenda at this stage. The opinions you seem to have, are more than a bit jarring for someone who's supposedly a 'GAA Man'.

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 04:53PM

Since you asked I dug it out: https://kics.sport.vlaanderen/Sporteneu/Documents/110601_EU_study_funding_grassroots_sports_finalreport_vol2.pdf

Notice the breakdown between public and private investment in sport and how Ireland compares.

Ireland has the largest difference in the amount per capita contributed in the entire EU from the private sector compared to the public sector. I.E. Irish people contribute more per capital to sport than any other country save Luxembourg (419 euro). Our government contribute 108.2 euro per capita in comparison. The biggest per capita difference in any EU country.

Or don’t bother studying the report and just believe the left wing sports media heads telling you that our government are wasting money spending it in sport.

Amirani · 27-03-2019 05:04PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Since you asked I dug it out: https://kics.sport.vlaanderen/Sporteneu/Documents/110601_EU_study_funding_grassroots_sports_finalreport_vol2.pdf

Notice the breakdown between public and private investment in sport and how Ireland compares.

Ireland has the largest difference in the amount per capita contributed in the entire EU from the private sector compared to the public sector. I.E. Irish people contribute more per capital to sport than any other country save Luxembourg (419 euro). Our government contribute 108.2 euro per capita in comparison. The biggest per capita difference in any EU country.

Or don’t bother studying the report and just believe the left wing sports media heads telling you that our government are wasting money spending it in sport.

I looked through most of the tables there. Turns out Ireland has one of the higher Government sports contributions per capita across the EU - literally the exact opposite of what you claimed.

Government funding:
Ireland = €108 per capita
UK = €66 per capita
Austria = €86 per capita
Czech Republic = €16 per capita
Finland = €172 per capita
Germany = €62 per capita

You're now trying to change your claim and say that because there's so much private investment also, our Government expenditure is stingy. That's just completely ridiculous.

27-03-2019 05:06PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Since you asked I dug it out: https://kics.sport.vlaanderen/Sporteneu/Documents/110601_EU_study_funding_grassroots_sports_finalreport_vol2.pdf

Notice the breakdown between public and private investment in sport and how Ireland compares.

Ireland has the largest difference in the amount per capita contributed in the entire EU from the private sector compared to the public sector. I.E. Irish people contribute more per capital to sport than any other country save Luxembourg (419 euro). Our government contribute 108.2 euro per capita in comparison. The biggest per capita difference in any EU country.

Or don’t bother studying the report and just believe the left wing sports media heads telling you that our government are wasting money spending it in sport.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Unfortunately our government is the stingiest government in the entire EU when it comes to sports investment. But no one talks about that. They just blame the FAI for everything and don’t see the bigger picture.

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yourdeadwright · 27-03-2019 05:07PM

I don't agree with the flak Duff is getting ,

His point was clear and totally correct the throwing the tennis balls on the pitch was only going to effect the players and have no effect on what the fans are disgruntled about ,

It has zero effect on the FAI and Delaney , so pointless

kippy · 27-03-2019 05:09PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Since you asked I dug it out: https://kics.sport.vlaanderen/Sporteneu/Documents/110601_EU_study_funding_grassroots_sports_finalreport_vol2.pdf

Notice the breakdown between public and private investment in sport and how Ireland compares.

Ireland has the largest difference in the amount per capita contributed in the entire EU from the private sector compared to the public sector. I.E. Irish people contribute more per capital to sport than any other country save Luxembourg (419 euro). Our government contribute 108.2 euro per capita in comparison. The biggest per capita difference in any EU country.

Or don’t bother studying the report and just believe the left wing sports media heads telling you that our government are wasting money spending it in sport.

1. The report is almost 8 years old - some of the data used in the report is a decade old or older.

2. That's not what you stated earlier in the thread.
"Ireland has the largest difference in the amount per capita contributed in the entire EU from the private sector compared to the public sector. I.E. Irish people contribute more per capital to sport than any other country save Luxembourg (419 euro). Our government contribute 108.2 euro per capita in comparison. The biggest per capita difference in any EU country."

3. I don't see any direct comparisons in that report between countries or indeed any "Table" outlining how we publicly fund sport less per capita than all but two other states. (Thanks for pulling out the relevant data Amirani)

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 05:22PM

Amirani wrote: »

I looked through most of the tables there. Turns out Ireland has one of the higher Government sports contributions per capita across the EU - literally the exact opposite of what you claimed.

Government funding:
Ireland = €108 per capita
UK = €66 per capita
Austria = €86 per capita
Czech Republic = €16 per capita
Finland = €172 per capita

You're now trying to change your claim and say that because there's so much private investment also, our Government expenditure is stingy. That's just completely ridiculous.

Fair enough, I’ll clarify my claim. Ireland has the biggest difference in per capita spending between public & private expenditure on sport in the EU except for the UK. The people of the state pick up the tab. The state stinge on investment but happily take the tax revenue from the sports sector.

The government should see the that sport matters to Irish people was beyond the normal levels within the EU and copy that high level of investment. They are meant to represent us.

kippy · 27-03-2019 05:22PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't agree with the flak Duff is getting ,

His point was clear and totally correct the throwing the tennis balls on the pitch was only going to effect the players and have no effect on what the fans are disgruntled about ,

It has zero effect on the FAI and Delaney , so pointless

The very fact that we/they are/were talking about it was the point.

TBF, there's not too much that can be done by the supporters that doesn't have an impact on the players in some way.

Duffer needs to wise up a bit - he's doing himself no favours.

kippy · 27-03-2019 05:24PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Fair enough, I’ll clarify my claim. Ireland has the biggest difference in per capita spending between public & private expenditure on sport in the EU except for the UK. The people of the state pick up the tab. The state stinge on investment but happily take the tax revenue from the sports sector.

The government should see the that sport matters to Irish people was beyond the normal levels within the EU and copy that high level of investment. They are meant to represent us.

Give over. The people of the state pick up the tab EITHER WAY
One is obviously more direct than the other but who do you think the "STATE" get the money from to invest in sport? (In any nation for that matter)

Also if you want to make that claim you should qualify if with HAD instead of HAD - the report is years old at this point.

You're making a silly use of statistics. I'd stop digging if I were you.

jmayo · 27-03-2019 05:25PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

So there are good people in the fai? So he does hire the right people?

Clutching at straws there mate.

Dots1982 wrote: »

So you want to save Irish football by starving it of it’s finance?

Unfortunately our government is the stingiest government in the entire EU when it comes to sports investment. But no one talks about that. They just blame the FAI for everything and don’t see the bigger picture.
...

What is the bigger picture?
A sports governing organisation that has a CEO who earns twice the average of that earned by CEOs of comparable sports governing organisations in other countries.
At Euro 2012 he earned more than the head of the Italian and Spanish FAs put together.

Sorry wait in fact they aren't comparable at all.
The organisations in those countries have thousands of clubs, proper leagues, thousands of players, and actually have teams competing and winning at the very highest levels.

Now one could maybe excuse the astronomical salary level if the organisation was healthy and the game was very healthy like say Iceland but the opposite is actually true.

sugarman wrote: »

What would it take for another night like this? (Great clip posted by Killianm2)

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree is what I would take out of that snippet.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Yes I was defending the dear leader when I said he was a prick who depended on cronyism. Another empty vessel for the ignore list.

Well you have to try make it a little believable.

BTW I wonder have revenue commissioners been aware of FAI paying his rent ?
I do hope he informed them of the over 30k benefit in kind he was receiving.

nice_guy80 · 27-03-2019 05:46PM

So in the past 5 years the FAI have spent €360,000 on rent for Delaneys house?

I'd love to be his landlord
Actually, I wonder who does own that house... considering he owns a property letting company

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2019 05:51PM

kippy wrote: »

The very fact that we/they are/were talking about it was the point.

TBF, there's not too much that can be done by the supporters that doesn't have an impact on the players in some way.

Duffer needs to wise up a bit - he's doing himself no favours.

People where taking about it regardless,
Anything that effects the teams is not the way to go ,

In my opinion Duff said nothing at all wrong

Dots1982 · 27-03-2019 06:05PM

People have a right to protest especially when it’s a large group and not just an individual crackpot. Basically comes down to free speech.

27-03-2019 06:19PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People where taking about it regardless,
Anything that effects the teams is not the way to go ,

In my opinion Duff said nothing at all wrong

And did it effect them? Nah. The ball was out of play at the time. Anyway, Hourihane smashed it straight into the net directly after it regardless suggesting that it effected nothing.

GavRedKing · 27-03-2019 06:58PM

There was nothing wrong with saying throwing the balls on was stupid the issue is not seeing WHY they were thrown on in the first place.

That seems to be the main thing that Duff and Whelan both conveniently forgot to mention and both were called out for.

Muahahaha · 27-03-2019 07:02PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't agree with the flak Duff is getting ,

His point was clear and totally correct the throwing the tennis balls on the pitch was only going to effect the players and have no effect on what the fans are disgruntled about ,

It has zero effect on the FAI and Delaney , so pointless

I dont think anyone thought the tennis balls were a good idea. It was more the sentiment of what Duff said that has riled people, he basically took the stance that we're just here to play football, no point protesting, etc whereas Richie Sadlier was very articulate about the importance of people standing up-

Richie Sadlier, on the other hand, took an entirely opposite view and wholeheartedly supported the fans’ right to express themselves, saying they were “angry and disillusioned for legitimate reasons”.

The former Millwall player eloquently summed up why the supporters felt the need to take such measures.

“We need to keep harping on about this before the FAI or whatever delegation appears in front of the politicians, because they need to get clear answers on how Irish football is being run,” he said. “There’s a hell of a lot people who don’t come [to the Aviva] anymore because they are completely disillusioned with where Irish football is and where they believe it’s going.

“They’re looking for more meaningful change than where John Delaney parks his car outside the building in Abbotstown. They’ve created a new role for him, with no recruitment process. He got it straight away. And funnily enough, the remit of the new role is very similar to the job he just left. Actual change has to happen.”

He continued: “The makeup of the board — they’ve been together a long time, that needs to be looked at and freshened up and completely reinvigorated.

The way in which the executive is set up, whatever about the job titles — the current CEO, the interim CEO or the new CEO coming in. We’ve always gotten the sense from a distance that power in Irish football rests in one man, that the structure of Irish football and the FAI is too reliant and dependent on one man, and that’s not a healthy situation as well.
“All the stuff about the rent, [John Delaney's] wages, this is a song we’ve been singing for years, but I haven’t heard a reason that someone who does what he does justifies the wage that the board give him… Because public money goes into Irish football.”

artanevilla · 27-03-2019 07:25PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

So in the past 5 years the FAI have spent €360,000 on rent for Delaneys house?

I'd love to be his landlord
Actually, I wonder who does own that house... considering he owns a property letting company

Two houses I think. Try it sometime....

Brock Turnpike · 27-03-2019 07:32PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Not as yet, I’m working, think it’s on my favorites on my iPad so will check there in a few hours.

Working on what? You've spent the past few days posting every few minutes in this thread.

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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