John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

DeanAustin

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock the last few days???!! The guy and his minnions are as crooked as f*ck. We only know a fraction of what is going on with the finances at the FAI.

He was happy to take money off Blatter, and then he came out, the moment Blatter departed and played a charade about how disgusted he was with how Blatter handled FIFA's finances. So yeah, he was happy to take the money as he was basically told take it and don't bother us any more, in not so many words.

Then he said the whole payment was not about money, but "sporting integrity" ! Yet he was happy to play along with their confidentiality arrangement (or so he claims was their confidentiality clause, as opposed to the FAI just saying nothing)
So it was even a bribe within a bribe! "We will give you this if you say nothing"

It was a bribe. It was exactly what it said on the tin. A bribe is a bribe, however you count it or try to paint it.

This is an actual quote about Sepp from JD, himself! You couldn't make the irony up!
"We can see that the culture of FIFA was one of corruption, one of bribery, nothing to do with the beautiful game, more to do with, as I described it last week, a Mafia movie rather than football."

To be fair, nothing crooked has been proven about Delaney if you mean crooked to be illegal unless you know something the rest of us don't. Furthermore, he volunteered the information about the €5 million. There is no way he'd no that unless he knew he could account for the money.

He got €5 million for the FAI. Call it what you like but it was brilliant business given that he hadn't a leg to stand on.

I'd agree with the stuff about Delaney being a hypocrite and, to a degree, incompetent in many respects. But criticising him for getting the FAI €5 million is just beating him for the sake of it in my view.

DeanAustin

D14Rugby wrote: »

It's not so much what was done it's how it was done

Granted, it did look a bit murky but to be fair, you could imagine that it went something like:

Blatter: "You've no hope of getting the game replayed or getting into the World Cup. I'll give you €5m to shut up and go away. Take it or else have your 5 minutes of fame but the world will forget about you in a few weeks."

What was Delaney to do? Refuse the money on a point of principle?

secman

Having watched the game on RTE, they didn't show any anti Delaney banners, looking at highlights on Sky and they showed them, censorship by RTE.

As an aside , team definitely played half decent football, kept the ball on the deck, worked hard to retrieve ball back, solid performance, mcgoldrick hold up play was pretty good, just ran out steam after putting in a great shift.

DeanAustin

secman wrote: »

Having watched the game on RTE, they didn't show any anti Delaney banners, looking at highlights on Sky and they showed them, censorship by RTE.

As an aside , team definitely played half decent football, kept the ball on the deck, worked hard to retrieve ball back, solid performance, mcgoldrick hold up play was pretty good, just ran out steam after putting in a great shift.

That's a f**king disgrace. What hold has Delaney got on RTE?

It really is North Korea levels of propaganda and always has been with Delaney.

It has to be said, since he became Executive Vice President, he's transformed the national side...

D14Rugby

DeanAustin wrote: »

Granted, it did look a bit murky but to be fair, you could imagine that it went something like:

Blatter: "You've no hope of getting the game replayed or getting into the World Cup. I'll give you €5m to shut up and go away. Take it or else have your 5 minutes of fame but the world will forget about you in a few weeks."

What was Delaney to do? Refuse the money on a point of principle?

Disclose the 5 million, there's no way there was a keep quite clause from FIFA when you consider the FAI have history for passing the legal buck to try make themselves look good.

DeanAustin

D14Rugby wrote: »

Disclose the 5 million, there's no way there was a keep quite clause from FIFA when you consider the FAI have history for passing the legal buck to try make themselves look good.

I don't disagree with that in principle but Delaney disclosed it around the time Blatter got the heave-ho. Is there a chance he'd signed something to say he couldn't disclose it before then?

If there wasn't, you are right - he should have disclosed it.

D14Rugby

DeanAustin wrote: »

I don't disagree with that in principle but Delaney disclosed it around the time Blatter got the heave-ho. Is there a chance he'd signed something to say he couldn't disclose it before then?

If there wasn't, you are right - he should have disclosed it.

I could almost guarantee there wasn't since he pulled the same stunt with LOI tv rights and RTE. Said RTE told them clubs couldn't put highlights up until after they were on tv. RTE said they were told by the FAI they couldn't, FAI released a statement saying they negotiated with RTE to allow clubs to put clips up. Every time a club got in trouble before that it was the FAI not RTE complaining. so he has form for that exact thing.

Corholio

Duff saying we shouldn't be talking about the CEO of an Irish sports organisation. That's exactly been the problem forever, fingers in ears and 'lets just talk about the football'

Don't always agree with Sadlier but he's spot on tonight. Duffer embarrassing himself. Never thought he'd be the type of guy who'd be a line tower from the passion he had as a player, but there ya go. Duff looks absolutely bored talking about football, sad to see.

Chancer3001

So the 5m was a bad thing? Even tho it was the best possible result...

And its jobs for the boys with just his cronies employed... but all the good stuff in the FAI is done by other people in the FAI who aren't his cronies...clear as mud.

MD1990

Im not surprised with Duff.

He said he would swim over to Celtic while at Rovers as a coach.

Say him at Roadstone one day & he look as he always does very angry.

Does not seem to care for Irish domestic football.

givyjoe

Corholio wrote: »

Duff saying we shouldn't be talking about the CEO of an Irish sports organisation. That's exactly been the problem forever, fingers in ears and 'lets just talk about the football'

Don't always agree with Sadlier but he's spot on tonight. Duffer embarrassing himself. Never thought he'd be the type of guy who'd be a line tower from the passion he had as a player, but there ya go. Duff looks absolutely bored talking about football, sad to see.

He's utterly awful as a pundit. Find him very dislikeable and seems to a bizarre almost aggressive demeanor at times.

DeanAustin

Corholio wrote: »

Duff saying we shouldn't be talking about the CEO of an Irish sports organisation. That's exactly been the problem forever, fingers in ears and 'lets just talk about the football'

Don't always agree with Sadlier but he's spot on tonight. Duffer embarrassing himself. Never thought he'd be the type of guy who'd be a line tower from the passion he had as a player, but there ya go. Duff looks absolutely bored talking about football, sad to see.

Exactly right. Duff was embarrassing tonight. Some fans threw tennis balls onto the pitch to get attention for a very important issue. They didn't run on and assault anyone, they didn't put anyone in danger - they made a legitimate protest. And if Ireland conceded in the 4th minute of injury time, that's not the fans' fault, that's down to the team.

He should be ashamed of himself. Fair play to Sadlier - he was spot on.

D14Rugby

Chancer3001 wrote: »

So the 5m was a bad thing? Even tho it was the best possible result...

And its jobs for the boys with just his cronies employed... but all the good stuff in the FAI is done by other people in the FAI who aren't his cronies...clear as mud.

The 5m wasn't a bad thing, hiding it was a bad thing, if he'd come out and said "yeah lads, tried my best, best I could get is some compensation, I'm as annoyed as you but we'll invest it in the game and come back stronger" instead he tried everything he could to hide it then tried to shift the blame as per usual.

Nobody said all the good stuff was done by good people and all the bad stuff by cronies, though quite often that is the case, that is how the world tends to work, just that there are good people in the FAI, it'd be unfair to tar everyone with the one brush but some people in the FAI are his cronies and are just as bad as him.

Thanks for that input though, was that straight from John or did he give you the general idea then let you have some poetic licence?

Guffy

MD1990 wrote: »

Im not surprised with Duff.

He said he would swim over to Celtic while at Rovers as a coach.

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Whats wrong with that? He's been underage coach at Rovers for a number of years. Is he not allowed to move or what?

His comments tonight were farcical.

artanevilla

Guffy wrote: »

Whats wrong with that? He's been underage coach at Rovers for a number of years. Is he not allowed to move or what?

His comments tonight were farcical.

He also said there was no young players coming through in Irish football. When he was manager of an Irish underage team....

He has nailed his colours to the mast now and has thankfully fùcked off to Scotland.

Guffy

artanevilla wrote: »

He also said there was no young players coming through in Irish football. When he was manager of an Irish underage team....

He has nailed his colours to the mast now and has thankfully fùcked off to Scotland.

That's nothing to do with the first comment.

One questions his loyalty the other his ability.

A lot of people questioned the quality of players coming through the ranks.

To take a shot at him for leaving for CELTIC while part of the underage setup at Rovers is comical.

artanevilla

It's not the fact he went, it's the way he went about it.

Chancer3001

D14Rugby wrote: »

The 5m wasn't a bad thing, hiding it was a bad thing, if he'd come out and said "yeah lads, tried my best, best I could get is some compensation, I'm as annoyed as you but we'll invest it in the game and come back stronger" instead he tried everything he could to hide it then tried to shift the blame as per usual.

Nobody said all the good stuff was done by good people and all the bad stuff by cronies, though quite often that is the case, that is how the world tends to work, just that there are good people in the FAI, it'd be unfair to tar everyone with the one brush but some people in the FAI are his cronies and are just as bad as him.

Thanks for that input though, was that straight from John or did he give you the general idea then let you have some poetic licence?

So there are good people in the fai? So he does hire the right people?

D14Rugby

Chancer3001 wrote: »

So there are good people in the fai? So he does hire the right people?

If you think Delaney personally hires everyone in the FAI you're delusional

The Talking Bread

artanevilla wrote: »

It's not the fact he went, it's the way he went about it.

Maybe acknowledge the fact that he, unlike most, almost all of our former players, actually invested some time and interest in the LOI and underage after retirement. He got offered an excellent job at Celtic, as a career move, it would be stupid to turn down.

Strange to be taking jibes at him over that

Regardless, you are completely misinterpreting and even misquoting what he said.

Here is an article regarding the subject, containing actual quotes from Duff himself.

Former Ireland and Chelsea legend Damien Duff believes young players should be training seven days a week and 11 months of the year if they are to become elite level footballers.

Duff, who has been linked with a role in the Celtic backroom team in recent days, works with the Shamrock Rovers under-15 side and believes a 'dinosaur mentality' is holding young players back.

Speaking on RTE's Champions League coverage last night, Duff attributed the dearth of players making it at big clubs to young players not getting enough time on the ball in their formative years.

"What's always been my problem with kids and I think the kids have to take some responsibility too and coaches at the clubs. Kids don't touch a ball enough and that will never change," he said.

"I get slaughtered for it in this country for training my lads five times a week, training half six in the morning doing double sessions and your back at half six at night. I get slaughtered.

"That's dinosaur mentality. You have to train five times a week. We went to play Chelsea during the season, they train seven times a week. But most teams train twice or three times a week, so that's a problem already."

He spoke about a lack of games and a season that lasted from March to October.

"Six months of football. For me there should be another four months on top of that," he said. "They do not touch a ball enough, and that's an absolute fact.

"There's good players coming through but the difference between good and great players is 11 months a year, training seven days a week."

Didi Hamann backed up Duff's assertion that Irish kids are not getting exposed to enough football.

"Damien told me how often they play and train and I was flabbergasted," he said.

"The most crucial time is 6 to 15 that's when you mould players and the more you play there the more you bring your talent out and the better you will get."

Chancer3001

D14Rugby wrote: »

If you think Delaney personally hires everyone in the FAI you're delusional

Ah ok. He just hires the bad people. But not the good ones.

Got it.

D14Rugby

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Ah ok. He just hires the bad people. But not the good ones.

Got it.

Again nobody said that. Just because someone says he hires his cronies doesn't mean he only hires them, that'd be impossible.

Chancer3001

Well one of the issues people had with him were his "jobs for the boys"... it was mentioned a few times.

What im saying is hes hired some good and some bad. Just like every ceo / recruirer in history. Its not a reason to want him out.

D14Rugby

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Well one of the issues people had with him were his "jobs for the boys"... it was mentioned a few times.

What im saying is hes hired some good and some bad. Just like every ceo / recruirer in history. Its not a reason to want him out.

He's surrounded himself with yes men is what you've heard. He doesn't need every person in the FAI to be yes men just the ones in key positions to keep him in the job.

D14Rugby

Think Duffs getting a hard time for his comments in that he's looking at it from a pure player pov and a player just wants to play. That's why he says he's fine with protesting just angry it's in the middle of the game which from a players point you can see. Obviously if it wasn't during the game it gets harder to get the attention so I can see why it was done then. If you listen to his actual comments he's more angry with Delaney causing the protest than anything and says he wants change in the FAI too after the game.
Im not saying I agree with him but if you put yourself in the players shoes i can see where he's coming from. From a fans view though you can't trust RTE to cover any protest that doesn't involve the game stopping so you have to be drastic so I can see their point too.
It's just different ways of looking at it. He doesn't say he's against what happened just how it happened. Your one the presenter certainly isn't impartial though.

nice_guy80

D14Rugby wrote: »

Think Duffs getting a hard time for his comments in that he's looking at it from a pure player pov and a player just wants to play. That's why he says he's fine with protesting just angry it's in the middle of the game which from a players point you can see. Obviously if it wasn't during the game it gets harder to get the attention so I can see why it was done then. If you listen to his actual comments he's more angry with Delaney causing the protest than anything and says he wants change in the FAI too after the game.
Im not saying I agree with him but if you put yourself in the players shoes i can see where he's coming from. From a fans view though you can't trust RTE to cover any protest that doesn't involve the game stopping so you have to be drastic so I can see their point too.
It's just different ways of looking at it. He doesn't say he's against what happened just how it happened. Your one the presenter certainly isn't impartial though.

when will a protest be effective then?
the pundits and manager will give out if fans don't turn up
or if they leave early

The Talking Bread

D14Rugby wrote: »

Think Duffs getting a hard time for his comments in that he's looking at it from a pure player pov and a player just wants to play. That's why he says he's fine with protesting just angry it's in the middle of the game which from a players point you can see. Obviously if it wasn't during the game it gets harder to get the attention so I can see why it was done then. If you listen to his actual comments he's more angry with Delaney causing the protest than anything and says he wants change in the FAI too after the game.
Im not saying I agree with him but if you put yourself in the players shoes i can see where he's coming from. From a fans view though you can't trust RTE to cover any protest that doesn't involve the game stopping so you have to be drastic so I can see their point too.
It's just different ways of looking at it. He doesn't say he's against what happened just how it happened. Your one the presenter certainly isn't impartial though.

In fairness "your one" ? Moloney is entitled not to be impartial on an an issue such as this. Its outside the remit of conversation of the actual football analysis element and he is as much qualified as the rest to give his opinon. Id have less respect if he hid behind his presenters chair in this instance. Its not actual football talk.I thought "your one" was good last night in the discussion.

Necro

DeanAustin wrote: »

That's a f**king disgrace. What hold has Delaney got on RTE?

It really is North Korea levels of propaganda and always has been with Delaney.

RTE, much like Delaney and his buddies in the FAI are another institution rife with cronyism and useless individuals on bloated salaries.

Both are loss-making organisations and both receive state funding yet both pay astronomic wages to people doing mediocre jobs.

It's no wonder they'd censor things as they very well might be next on the chopping block.

shanec1928

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/delaney-loaned-almost-250000-to-property-firm-he-partly-owns-as-fai-was-paying-his-rent-37955072.html