John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Dots1982

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

D14Rugby

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

If he were someone that actually cared about the state of the domestic game I'd agree but all he cares about is headlines and money so not much benefit there.

amcalester

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

He's done **** all for Irish football when he was running it, why would he start when he moves to UEFA?

listermint

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

Yes, you want a self serving salary collector in a different bigger role as a self serving salary collector.


Can you outline specifically what benefit that would be to Irish Football.

- details please

Deise Vu

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

That is debatable. The same thing was said about Pat Hickey and IOC but I never quite grasped the benefits for Ireland while the benefits for Pat and JD are clear to see.

The bottom line for me is that, even if JD can swim with the worst of the sharks, I think that is not necessarily a good trait. There is no point in giving out about football governance if we send a kindred spirit out there. Term limits are the only way we can sure world sport is governed properly. When people know they are untouchable and can cover their tracks, bad practices inevitably creep in (I would use stronger language but for JD's penchant for litigation).

GavRedKing

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

Do you know what would really be worth the money, the money the FAI would save if they werent paying for JDs jolly ups around Europe and his hyper inflated salary plus expenses.

Thats where the real value is but as everyone and their dog knows, JD is only making a sideways move ion the FAI to protect himself and stay on the gravy train.

Dots1982

Having a body at a senior position in UEFA is likely in my opinion to have decisions in terms of awarding of grants, awarding of major games etc to be for the benefit of that senior person’s country.

For instance having Delaney well liked in UEFA probably didn’t do us any harm in terms of the awarding of games to the Aviva in Euro 2020.

If you have reps from France and Germany etc they’ll make decisions that are good for the big nations.

I’m not saying him in UEFA is any good to the LOI.

FixdePitchmark

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having a body at a senior position in UEFA is likely in my opinion to have decisions in terms of awarding of grants, awarding of major games etc to be for the benefit of that senior person’s country.

For instance having Delaney well liked in UEFA probably didn’t do us any harm in terms of the awarding of games to the Aviva in Euro 2020.

If you have reps from France and Germany etc they’ll make decisions that are good for the big nations.

I’m not saying him in UEFA is any good to the LOI.

It actually would be a good move for all , if he was just dealing with UEFA and his influence was removed from day to day FAI work. We get rid of him and they like his type the higher up you go in Football.

It takes years to get in the right circles at that level, and no matter what you think of Delaney - he has achieved that.

Dots1982

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It actually would be a good move for all , if he was just dealing with UEFA and his influence was removed from day to day FAI work. We get rid of him and they like his type the higher up you go in Football.

It takes years to get in the right circles at that level, and no matter what you think of Delaney - he has achieved that.

My thoughts exactly. He might be a prick but he’s our prick rather than someone from France, Germany etc.

joeysoap

:rolleyes:

Zico ! wrote: »

Premier league needs to be expanded to 13 teams playing each other 3 times investment is needed on ground improvements-that be a start also Dundalk shouldnt be allowed play on that plastic pitch

Open to ideas but 13 team league is about the silliest I have ever heard.

Revert to a 12 team league, split it after 22 matches in two groups of 6, play each side in your group twice more (h+a)= 32 matches.

Would make the last 3/4 rounds of the 22 more interesting. The last 10 matches would be more competitive too as the teams would be more equal

Increasing the prizemoney and reducing the affiliation fees urgently needed.

Does that apply to Derry too? :rolleyes:

Oat23

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It takes years to get in the right circles at that level, and no matter what you think of Delaney - he has achieved that.

Yes. Mad respect to John. He's finally corrupt enough to compete at a European level. So proud xx.

Dots1982

I do find it strange and silly how often John Delaney is called corrupt here and on social media with no evidence he’s ever done anything corrupt. Call him incompetent, a prick, greedy money grabber and a careerist guilty of cronyism and there’s plenty of evidence.

There’s something irish about it. It’s like how Rory Mcilroy is viewed as a greedy so-so only out for himself even though he’s helped the Irish open become a big date on the golfing calendar again. While Shane Lowry is viewed as a great lad even though he refused to play in the Olympics the same as mcilroy did.

GavRedKing

McIlroy isnt Irish though.

D14Rugby

Dots1982 wrote: »

I do find it strange and silly how often John Delaney is called corrupt here and on social media with no evidence he’s ever done anything corrupt. Call him incompetent, a prick, greedy money grabber and a careerist guilty of cronyism and there’s plenty of evidence.

There’s something irish about it. It’s like how Rory Mcilroy is viewed as a greedy so-so only out for himself even though he’s helped the Irish open become a big date on the golfing calendar again. While Shane Lowry is viewed as a great lad even though he refused to play in the Olympics the same as mcilroy did.

He did accept the 5million hush money from fifa. Claiming to have taken a pay cut when he didn't really is pretty corrupt too.

Oat23

Dots1982 wrote: »

I do find it strange and silly how often John Delaney is called corrupt here and on social media with no evidence he’s ever done anything corrupt. Call him incompetent, a prick, greedy money grabber and a careerist guilty of cronyism and there’s plenty of evidence.

There’s something irish about it. It’s like how Rory Mcilroy is viewed as a greedy so-so only out for himself even though he’s helped the Irish open become a big date on the golfing calendar again. While Shane Lowry is viewed as a great lad even though he refused to play in the Olympics the same as mcilroy did.

Literally the first definition of corruption.

corrupt
adjective
1.
having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

He accepted a €5m bribe from Sepp Blatter to shut up about the Henry handball and then took almost half a decade to tell the public about it.

Corrupt ar*ehole. I don't know why I'm bothering replying because you'll defend him to the death it seems.

Zico !

I still cant believe he got 5 million off blatter fair play to him for that blatter could of turned round and said dry your eyes mate

GavRedKing

Zico ! wrote: »

I still cant believe he got 5 million off blatter fair play to him for that blatter could of turned round and said dry your eyes mate

Suggesting a 33rd team, even if in jest was embarrassing enough.

jmayo

joeysoap wrote: »

Grainne Seoige’s house in Wicklow mentioned in the papers . He’s bought a house in Wicklow for €875,000 according to the same paper.

Her house was in Kilmacanogue AFAIK and the hosue Delaney bought is down near Aughrim.

I expect Aughrim will now suddenly receive a nice grant and Delaney can skip across the fields to Macreddin Vilalge and the Brook Lodge for a few pints and a nice slap up meal.

Funny that this "loan" of funds happened during the old divorce.
And I wonder does the ex Mrs Delaney wonder as well.

BTW does anyone know what bakery he owns a part of ?
I just would rather not give them my custom.

jmayo

Dots1982 wrote: »

Having Delaney influential within UEFA is actually probably worth the money in terms of the benefit it would be to Irish football in having someone at the top table who is Irish rather than French and German.

I don’t expect many on this forum to be fans of that opinion but there you go.

So what position do you have in the FAI ?

listermint wrote: »

Yes, you want a self serving salary collector in a different bigger role as a self serving salary collector.


Can you outline specifically what benefit that would be to Irish Football.

- details please

Well all the officials and suits in the FAI that have backed Delaney will get a little reward.

Dots1982 wrote: »

I do find it strange and silly how often John Delaney is called corrupt here and on social media with no evidence he’s ever done anything corrupt. Call him incompetent, a prick, greedy money grabber and a careerist guilty of cronyism and there’s plenty of evidence.

Ah shure that's alright then. :rolleyes:

Dots1982 wrote: »

There’s something irish about it. It’s like how Rory Mcilroy is viewed as a greedy so-so only out for himself even though he’s helped the Irish open become a big date on the golfing calendar again. While Shane Lowry is viewed as a great lad even though he refused to play in the Olympics the same as mcilroy did.

Big difference is McIlroy and Lowry are competitors, professional sportsmen whose job is to win for themselves.
Delaney is a paid employee of the FAI, an organisation that is meant to represent, govern and run soccer in this country.
Delaney is meant to be in charge of an organisation that has the best interests of Irish soccer at it's core.

Her is some info on the finances...
In 2013 the accounts showed an income of €36.7 million, with a surplus of almost €9 million.
Only €1.1 million in development and operating grants was given to grassroots down from €2.2 million in 2005.

In 2013 it spent €2 million on the Republic of Ireland men’s and women’s underage teams, from under-21 to under-15.
No one knows how much went on specific wages since it wasn't broken down in accounts.
Overall in 2013, however, the FAI spent €9.55 million on staff.

Anyone round here part of that little trough I wonder ?

BTW this may be of interest to some, the 5 million euro from Blatter was initially an interest free loan that was eventually written off when Ireland didn't make 2014.

Maybe he was also getting divorced ?

.G.

To be on the Uefa ExCo you have to be an active part of your home association in any one of 4 roles, CEO, General Secretary, President or Vice President.

So the whole idea of getting rid of Delaney from the FAI while having him getting favours for the Irish as part of Uefa is not possible. Its the whole reason they invented the Vice President position and gave him it, so he can keep the Uefa gig.

Dots1982

jmayo wrote: »

So what position do you have in the FAI ?



Well all the officials and suits in the FAI that have backed Delaney will get a little reward.



Ah shure that's alright then. :rolleyes:



Big difference is McIlroy and Lowry are competitors, professional sportsmen whose job is to win for themselves.
Delaney is a paid employee of the FAI, an organisation that is meant to represent, govern and run soccer in this country.
Delaney is meant to be in charge of an organisation that has the best interests of Irish soccer at it's core.

Her is some info on the finances...
In 2013 the accounts showed an income of €36.7 million, with a surplus of almost €9 million.
Only €1.1 million in development and operating grants was given to grassroots down from €2.2 million in 2005.

In 2013 it spent €2 million on the Republic of Ireland men’s and women’s underage teams, from under-21 to under-15.
No one knows how much went on specific wages since it wasn't broken down in accounts.
Overall in 2013, however, the FAI spent €9.55 million on staff.

Anyone round here part of that little trough I wonder ?

BTW this may be of interest to some, the 5 million euro from Blatter was initially an interest free loan that was eventually written off when Ireland didn't make 2014.

Maybe he was also getting divorced ?

Fair play on the figure detail, Delaney would say it’s due to the commitment to get debt free that has meant games development funding has suffered.

For the 9.55 million on salaries, obviously millions of that went on the manager at the time who did prove value for money in terms if we got to a major championships.

As for the rest of the 9.55 million, how many staff do they have? how many other state bodies, sporting or otherwise have a similar number of staff? What do those state bodies pay in salaries?

DeanAustin

There is a lot to criticise Delaney for but the €5m from FIFA?

That was pretty good in my view. It’s not like he pocketed it, it went to the FAI. What else was he going to get? He wasn’t getting the game replayed and he wasn’t getting into the World Cup. The pay off was the next best outcome. Wouldn’t criticise him for that one.

The Talking Bread

DeanAustin wrote: »

There is a lot to criticise Delaney for but the €5m from FIFA?

That was pretty good in my view. It’s not like he pocketed it, it went to the FAI. What else was he going to get? He wasn’t getting the game replayed and he wasn’t getting into the World Cup. The pay off was the next best outcome. Wouldn’t criticise him for that one.

Where did the money go though.................... I mean what benefit did Irish football accrue from it??

There was no transparency. Money received by the FAI means f all to Irish football if it isn't invested properly? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a clear and obvious increase in investment upon receipt of the money.

It was a bribe, plain and simple. Given the figures involved in football, it made u look very pathetic as a footballing nation that the people supposed to be representing us can be bought off for what is a relatively small financial gain. for an FA

D14Rugby

DeanAustin wrote: »

There is a lot to criticise Delaney for but the €5m from FIFA?

That was pretty good in my view. It’s not like he pocketed it, it went to the FAI. What else was he going to get? He wasn’t getting the game replayed and he wasn’t getting into the World Cup. The pay off was the next best outcome. Wouldn’t criticise him for that one.

It's not so much what was done it's how it was done

Chancer3001

Positives in recent times

. Set up u13 , u15, u17 and u19 devekopments squads all over the country. The best players set up with qualified coaches. Great idea.

. Youth teams doing well. Our u19s are 6 for 6 in qualifying.

. Loads of investment in pitches and dressing rooms all over the country

.introduction of FAI futsal competitions around the country to encourage young players to get the ball down and play

Its not all doom and gloom

Hes ticked enough boxes to get away with things

DeanAustin

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Where did the money go though.................... I mean what benefit did Irish football accrue from it??

There was no transparency. Money received by the FAI means f all to Irish football if it isn't invested properly? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a clear and obvious increase in investment upon receipt of the money.

It was a bribe, plain and simple. Given the figures involved in football, it made u look very pathetic as a footballing nation that the people supposed to be representing us can be bought off for what is a relatively small financial gain. for an FA

A bribe implies that Delaney pocketed the money or that he gave up a strong negotiating position to take the money. Neither of those is true.

Delaney is a prick but he isn’t a dummy and he put that in the public domain. If he’s asked to account for it, you can bet your bottom dollar he will. You may not agree with what he spent it on but he won’t have done anything illegal with it.

He basically hadn’t a leg to stand on and the most he could have done was go around badmouthing FIFA which would have just damaged everyone. To get €5m was good business in my view.

secman

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Positives in recent times

. Set up u13 , u15, u17 and u19 devekopments squads all over the country. The best players set up with qualified coaches. Great idea.

. Youth teams doing well. Our u19s are 6 for 6 in qualifying.

. Loads of investment in pitches and dressing rooms all over the country

.introduction of FAI futsal competitions around the country to encourage young players to get the ball down and play

Its not all doom and gloom

Hes ticked enough boxes to get away with things

John script that for you ? So he couldn't have overseen that on €150k a year paying his own fcking rent.

D14Rugby

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Positives in recent times

. Set up u13 , u15, u17 and u19 devekopments squads all over the country. The best players set up with qualified coaches. Great idea.

. Youth teams doing well. Our u19s are 6 for 6 in qualifying.

. Loads of investment in pitches and dressing rooms all over the country

.introduction of FAI futsal competitions around the country to encourage young players to get the ball down and play

Its not all doom and gloom

Hes ticked enough boxes to get away with things

Most of that is in spite of Delaney though not because if him. He just shows up for the pictures with threats of give him credit or no funding next time you apply. Look at Rovers for example, all the academy stuff is because of Ray Wilson not John Delaney, in Dundalk its's Peak6 not Delaney.

Nobody,s denying that there are some good people in the FAI, but just under a quarter of the FAI's turnover goes on wages, that's not right, and a lot of the money that does get spent on these pitches and changing rooms comes from Uefa or the government and is specifically for that purpose so for Delaney to come out and claim credit for it is ridiculous when he's really doing the bare minimum,if even, in terms of helping grassroots football but claiming credit for everything. Just look at the LOI tv rights fiasco for example of the publicity stunts he pulls it's ridiculous.

.G.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Fair play on the figure detail, Delaney would say it’s due to the commitment to get debt free that has meant games development funding has suffered.

For the 9.55 million on salaries, obviously millions of that went on the manager at the time who did prove value for money in terms if we got to a major championships.

As for the rest of the 9.55 million, how many staff do they have? how many other state bodies, sporting or otherwise have a similar number of staff? What do those state bodies pay in salaries?

Think the salary for MON and Roy was €3m at the time and half that paid by Denis O' Brien so still 8 odd million going elsewhere.

The Denis O'Brien thing too is itself a shambles. Don't be offering these lads crazy salaries that we can't pay. We're a small nation with no millions being generated for it by its domestic competitions, we shouldn't be offering English top division type wages for these roles. Even Mick is on €1.2m whereas similar nations are paying much less, Giggs, Strachan and O'Neill up North on £500,000

The Talking Bread

DeanAustin wrote: »

A bribe implies that Delaney pocketed the money or that he gave up a strong negotiating position to take the money. Neither of those is true.

Delaney is a prick but he isn’t a dummy and he put that in the public domain. If he’s asked to account for it, you can bet your bottom dollar he will. You may not agree with what he spent it on but he won’t have done anything illegal with it.

He basically hadn’t a leg to stand on and the most he could have done was go around badmouthing FIFA which would have just damaged everyone. To get €5m was good business in my view.

Have you been living under a rock the last few days???!! The guy and his minnions are as crooked as f*ck. We only know a fraction of what is going on with the finances at the FAI.

He was happy to take money off Blatter, and then he came out, the moment Blatter departed and played a charade about how disgusted he was with how Blatter handled FIFA's finances. So yeah, he was happy to take the money as he was basically told take it and don't bother us any more, in not so many words.

Then he said the whole payment was not about money, but "sporting integrity" ! Yet he was happy to play along with their confidentiality arrangement (or so he claims was their confidentiality clause, as opposed to the FAI just saying nothing)
So it was even a bribe within a bribe! "We will give you this if you say nothing"

It was a bribe. It was exactly what it said on the tin. A bribe is a bribe, however you count it or try to paint it.

This is an actual quote about Sepp from JD, himself! You couldn't make the irony up!
"We can see that the culture of FIFA was one of corruption, one of bribery, nothing to do with the beautiful game, more to do with, as I described it last week, a Mafia movie rather than football."