Madeleine McCann

Lady Poepoe wrote: »

Has Dr. David Payne been looked into? Kate and his statements of them beinging the apartment contradicts eachother.
He was one of the last people to see Madeleine alive.
He discribes the children as "peaceful" and like "angels" Such a strange way of speaking of children. It's like describing a dead person. Or maybe someone completely knock out.
What if he gave the children something to help keep them asleep. But Madeleine overdosed before anyone noticed to help.
His own mother in Law thought the twins were sedated. Kate was shouting and banging the wall just near them and they didn't wake.
Maybe the witnesses saw David carrying a child. How tall is he?

Or what if it was David turn to bathe the children? Didn't they all bath eachothers children! What if he got out of hand. Something happened that would cause the whole group to be investigated. All would face court and media etc.
I get paedophilia bad vibes from the McCann and friends.

I wouldn’t read too much into the twins sleeping though the noise and commotion. At that age babies enter into a very deep sleep and it has been shown recently that a fire alarm even won’t wake a baby in that stage of sleep. The heat too might make them seeem sedated.
Saying that I also have twins and there’s no way you could enjoy a sun holiday unless they were sedated, even to get through the airport!

Nonetheless, it’s too big a leap to make to say Madeleine was over-sedated and died and the parents disposed of the body and staged a crime scene. If that does turn out to be true they are stone cold people! There’s no way I’d leave kids alone in an apartment though even on hols and am amazed this happens! An abduction seems the most plausible scenario by far to me.

Regarding the sniffer dogs. The teddy Kate mcann carried around had the scent of a cadaver. I am not sure how long it takes before a dead body starts to release the odour that can be passed on to the teddy but for arguments sake I will say within a few hours.

I am going to assume then that Madeline had died in bed and was with her teddy for a long enough time for the odour to be transferred to the bear. This bear was then carried around by Kate and most likely left in the boot of rental car and in other spots leaving the scent of the cadaver there also. That's what I think the dog was sniffing anyway, not a body but where the teddy had been.

The question then is where did Madelines body go. There are only two plausible scenarios in my head.

Scenario 1. Kate did indeed overdose her child killing her and managed to hide her body.

Scenario 2. The child was being watched and abducted but was already dead due to the overdose. A crazy coincidence but possible.

Deleted User wrote: »

The thing about the abduction theory is... you have to believe the McCanns that the door was open. Originally they told the PJ that the window was open and thats how the abductor got in. They also told their families that the window had been shattered from an abductor entering.

Of course, neither of those are true are they? The window wasn't shattered at all. In fact, it couldn't be opened from outside.

Thats when the story changed to the door was open. Very strange not to mention this to the police.

And now we have people questioning well trained cadaver dogs, questioning martin Smith's sighting but we just take it as fact that the door was open, because the McCanns said so.

We take it as fact so much so that the poll on this thread even reads "Abductor had been watching and came in the open door".

I wonder why it doesn't say "abductor had been watching and came in through the open door, then tampered with the window and left through the open door"

Car was rented weeks after she went missing. Either stinky body transport or car has ability to time travel.

Cadaver could have been rotten meat.
Dogs aren't that smart and are easily distracted.
Not everyone can be a detective and thank god for that. I'll keep my faith in the portugese police.

Lady Poepoe wrote: »

Has Dr. David Payne been looked into? Kate and his statements of them beinging the apartment contradicts eachother.
He was one of the last people to see Madeleine alive.
He discribes the children as "peaceful" and like "angels" Such a strange way of speaking of children. It's like describing a dead person. Or maybe someone completely knock out.
What if he gave the children something to help keep them asleep. But Madeleine overdosed before anyone noticed to help.
His own mother in Law thought the twins were sedated. Kate was shouting and banging the wall just near them and they didn't wake.
Maybe the witnesses saw David carrying a child. How tall is he?

Or what if it was David turn to bathe the children? Didn't they all bath eachothers children! What if he got out of hand. Something happened that would cause the whole group to be investigated. All would face court and media etc.
I get paedophilia bad vibes from the McCann and friends.

I think David Payne was the guy who made some strange pedophilia type gestures/comments about Maddie from a statment from another couple who had been on holidays with them previously.


This seem to be withheld from the Portuguese police for months.


More questions that no one seems to be able to answer so just brush under the carpet.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Neither does Scotland Yard . You may sneer my reply but do you not find it strange that an organisation with the resources of one the world's most respected police forces could not find evidence of abduction after almost 11 years and countless millions?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Still leads me back to the question I asked, no evidence of abduction unearthed by either the Portuguese authorities or Scotland yard despite over10 years of investigation by both Police forces.

And no evidence of murder, accidental death, drugging, satanic cults or alien encounters of the third kind, either.

Give it a rest.

cursai wrote: »

Car was rented weeks after she went missing. Either stinky body transport or car has ability to time travel.

Cadaver could have been rotten meat.
Dogs aren't that smart and are easily distracted.
Not everyone can be a detective and thank god for that. I'll keep my faith in the portugese police.

Dogs aren't that smart?


The dog owner/trainer with 30 years experience wit an impeccable record now working for the FBI stated the dog won't detect rotten meat as a corpse.


Yet you, who have no experience in the above just rock out a random statement about "dogs been distracted.


I'd like to hear more from you.

I haven't taken part in the poll as there is no "Haven't the foggiest what happened" option
I find myself going around and around on this case
I do find the Peter Hyatt conclusions compelling though

cursai wrote: »

Car was rented weeks after she went missing. Either stinky body transport or car has ability to time travel.

Cadaver could have been rotten meat.
Dogs aren't that smart and are easily distracted.
Not everyone can be a detective and thank god for that. I'll keep my faith in the portugese police.

They may have moved the body to a more secluded spot after an initial hiding spot. It's also possible somebody else who had rented the car prior to this had a body in the boot but considering human blood and cadaver was also detected in the apartment this seems unlikely. The Mcann's were seen airing the boot of this car out for days by a credible neighbour.

Cadaver could not have been rotten meat. The dogs are specifically trained to react to "human" cadavers or "human" blood. In fact blood was recovered from both locations with partial DNA tests indicating it was Maddies blood.

It's not about being smart. It's about using their noses to smell things we can't. These are highly trained professional dogs with proven high success rates. There is a reason they are used all over the world for detecting all kinds of substances. Because it works with a high success rate.