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Madeleine McCann

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭qm1bv4p8i92aoj


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Same as Scotland Yard, after almost 11years they have no evidence either.

    So you have none so that there wasn't an abductor. Sound, thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭qm1bv4p8i92aoj


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    The man walking towards the beach was seen by Martin Smith and he was 60/80 per cent positive it was Gerry McCann.

    And he recanted that didn't he. Posters have already debunked this only a few pages back on why Smith more than likely was incorrect so I won't be dragging up old ground like you made me do a couple of posts ago. If you are incapable of retaining information that you have read only a short while ago might I suggest you seek medical help as that is not normal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    So you have none so that there wasn't an abductor. Sound, thanks.


    Neither does Scotland Yard . You may sneer my reply but do you not find it strange that an organisation with the resources of one the world's most respected police forces could not find evidence of abduction after almost 11 years and countless millions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    And he recanted that didn't he. Posters have already debunked this only a few pages back on why Smith more than likely was incorrect so I won't be dragging up old ground like you made me do a couple of posts ago. If you are incapable of retaining information that you have read only a short while ago might I suggest you seek medical help as that is not normal.


    He didn't recant, I would strongly suggest you reply to my comment but leave out the personal attack.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭qm1bv4p8i92aoj


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    He didn't recant, I would strongly suggest you reply to my comment but leave out the personal attack.

    Whatever, he got selective amnesia and said he couldn't be sure anymore. Like I said other posters have already debunked the Martin Smith angle.

    It wasn't a personal attack. If you can't retain information shortly after reading it then thats not good. If you are doing it on purpose like I think you are, well then good luck with that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    It wasn't a personal attack. If you can't retain information shortly after reading it then thats not good. If you are doing it on purpose like I think you are, well then good luck with that.


    It was a personal attack I don't need you to suggest I need medical attention and I have reported your attack.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭qm1bv4p8i92aoj


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    It was a personal attack I don't need you to suggest I need medical attention and I have reported your attack.

    Whatever I'm sure the mods are loving having to deal with you on this thread, after having to ban you then unbanning you after you no doubt burnt the ears off them appealing it and now you're reporting posters that they will now have to deal with all because you want posters to have to keep explaining and explaining the same things to you over and over again. You're like the human version of a shíte hearing aid.

    Anyways I have said my piece on what I think happened I'll leave you and the rest of the tin foil hat brigade to your dark fantasies of what ye hoped happened.

    G'luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Neither does Scotland Yard . You may sneer my reply but do you not find it strange that an organisation with the resources of one the world's most respected police forces could not find evidence of abduction after almost 11 years and countless millions?


    You are being ridiculous. The abduction scenario is the one least likely to involve evidence being left - the death scenario is far more complicated and involved and far more likely to result in an evidence trail, yet you call the lack of progress on the easy option suspicious while ignoring the lack of progress on the death scenario, which ought to seem far harder to explain to anyone with an open mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cnocbui wrote:
    You are being ridiculous. The abduction scenario is the one least likely to involve evidence being left - the death scenario is far more complicated and involved and far more likely to result in an evidence trail, yet you call the lack of progress on the easy option suspicious while ignoring the lack of progress on the death scenario, which ought to seem far harder to explain to anyone with an open mind.


    Ridiculous in your opinion the poster I replied to claimed the Portuguese police were bunglers, yet Scotland Yard for almost 11 years have investigated this case but have also not found any evidence of abduction whatsoever. There is no evidence of any scenario but yet one is constantly pushed despite the non existence of evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Ridiculous in your opinion the poster I replied to claimed the Portuguese police were bunglers, yet Scotland Yard for almost 11 years have investigated this case but have also not found any evidence of abduction whatsoever. There is no evidence of any scenario but yet one is constantly pushed despite the non existence of evidence.

    I don't know how anyone could push for either scenario as not one single jot of evidence is for anything at all . The only evidence is that Madeleine is missing
    We can all think that we lean in one direction but not one of us really knows
    Personally I think an open mind will always learn more


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    cnocbui wrote: »
    You are being ridiculous. The abduction scenario is the one least likely to involve evidence being left - the death scenario is far more complicated and involved and far more likely to result in an evidence trail, yet you call the lack of progress on the easy option suspicious while ignoring the lack of progress on the death scenario, which ought to seem far harder to explain to anyone with an open mind.

    Talking of ridiculousness - unless you are going to claim to be a qualified and experienced investigator - that is a large heap of horse manure imo.

    An individual (or individuals) who enters a strange apartment, in the dark, who has to open doors (and/or windows!) Move curtains, lift a sleeping child in the presence of other children, exit same carry a possibly screaming or crying child in a building swarming with residents and guests and you believe that is a scenario and " least likely to involve evidence being left" (sic). Really??? It is just as feasible that the child suffocated and or banged her head without significant external trauma, was found and the body quickly moved outside and hidden.

    Open mind indeed ....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    iamwhoiam wrote:
    I don't know how anyone could push for either scenario as not one single jot of evidence is for anything at all . The only evidence is that Madeleine is missing We can all think that we lean in one direction but not one of us really knows Personally I think an open mind will always learn more


    The only evidence that I have seen to-date is the unwillingness of the McCanns to cooperate and work with the Police from the start which considering the circumstances is extremely, I don't dismiss the reaction of the dogs not evidence in its own regard but an indication.
    People can dismiss the Portuguese authorities and I understand a little due to some of the carry on but the fact that a force like Scotland Yard can't find evidence of abduction either but this is ignored. Anyway I'm just labouring that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    The only evidence that I have seen to-date is the unwillingness of the McCanns to cooperate and work with the Police from the start which considering the circumstances is extremely, I don't dismiss the reaction of the dogs not evidence in its own regard but an indication.
    People can dismiss the Portuguese authorities and I understand a little due to some of the carry on but the fact that a force like Scotland Yard can't find evidence of abduction either but this is ignored. Anyway I'm just labouring that point.

    Scotland Yard didn't find evidence of anything , not of abduction, not of murder , not of accident , not of wandering . Nothing at all .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    iamwhoiam wrote:
    Scotland Yard didn't find evidence of anything , not of abduction, not of murder , not of accident , not of wandering . Nothing at all .


    Scotland Yard was only instructed to follow the abduction theory hence why a senior officer refused to take on the investigation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    And he recanted that didn't he. Posters have already debunked this only a few pages back on why Smith more than likely was incorrect so I won't be dragging up old ground like you made me do a couple of posts ago. If you are incapable of retaining information that you have read only a short while ago might I suggest you seek medical help as that is not normal.


    Nope. Incorrect. Lol the idiotic insults really add to the daft comment tbh. As for the serial thankers below - usual suspects funnily enough.

    Martin Smith told the police he "was 60-80% sure the man he saw carrying the child that night was Gerry McCann. His wife Mary felt the same way.

    Irish officers found him credible. A local garda who interviewed him on behalf of the Portuguese authorities described him as a genuine, decent man who did not want to court the press or seek publicity.

    But while Martin’s evidence seemed compelling, independent and without motivation, much to his frustration, it was not given the attention it seemed to deserve.

    Almost a year after he made his initial statement to police, he was approached by private detectives working for the McCanns and asked to make e-fits (electronic facial identification images), of the man he had seen the night Madeleine disappeared.

    The McCanns say they gave these pictures to the police at the time but chose not to publicise them. Instead they remained focused on another sighting by their friend Jane Tanner, one of the so-called Tapas Seven group of friends who had been on holiday with the couple and who dined with them the evening Madeleine disappeared.

    But then the story of the Smith sighting took another bizarre twist as allegations emerged in the media that the family had retracted their statements. The public were being told that this potentially critical development was just another red herring.

    The BBC even went as far as to make this claim. In a ‘Panorama’ programme broadcast in May 2017 to mark the tenth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, presenter Richard Bilton told viewers that the Smiths had changed their mind about seeing Gerry McCann and now believed they had seen someone else.

    In recent weeks, I have spoken to Martin Smith at his home in Drogheda. He told me he continues to stand by everything he said to police in 2007. At no point did he withdraw his statement or change his mind about the sighting.


    He is frustrated by media claims that he now says he was mistaken; and remains “60-80 per cent” convinced that the man he saw that night was Gerry McCann.

    After the BBC programme was broadcast, Martin contacted ‘Panorama’ and informed them of their inaccuracy. But the broadcaster failed to correct the record despite its public service remit.

    Last month, I asked the BBC why they had wrongly suggested the Smith sighting had been withdrawn and if they were willing to correct their error at this late stage.

    I received a reply acknowledging that they had indeed broadcast an inaccuracy. They agreed to update the ‘Panorama’ programme on their iPlayer to reflect the correction. They say the mistake was made in good faith but they have failed to explain how they came to make such a fundamental error and why they did not check if their story about the Smiths was correct before they aired the programme.

    Former Scotland Yard murder detective Colin Sutton is one of a number of experienced officers who believe the Smith sighting is one of the most important pieces of evidence available to the investigation.

    https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2018/02/maddie-did-the-bbc-bend-the-truth/

    I really do not understand why some posters are quite happy to go with the Smith statement but scream blue murder when the identity of the man is detailed. Funny that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭oceanman


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    Talking of ridiculousness - unless you are going to claim to be a qualified and experienced investigator - that is a large heap of horse manure imo.

    An individual or individuals who enter a strange apartment, in the dark, who has to open doors (and/or windows!) Move curtains, lift a sleeping child in the presence of other children, exit same carry a possibly screaming or crying child in a building swarming with residents and guests and you believe that is a scenario and " least likely to involve evidence being left" (sic). Really??? It is just as feasible that the child suffocated and or banged her head without significant trauma, was found and the body quickly moved outside and hidden.

    Open mind indeed ....
    quickly moved outside and hidden!...so well that hundreds of police, sniffer dogs,
    and the general public combing the area never found a trace of the body.....not even to this day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    Talking of ridiculousness - unless you are going to claim to be a qualified and experienced investigator - that is a large heap of horse manure imo.

    An individual (or individuals) who enters a strange apartment, in the dark, who has to open doors (and/or windows!) Move curtains, lift a sleeping child in the presence of other children, exit same carry a possibly screaming or crying child in a building swarming with residents and guests and you believe that is a scenario and " least likely to involve evidence being left" (sic). Really??? It is just as feasible that the child suffocated and or banged her head without significant external trauma, was found and the body quickly moved outside and hidden.

    Open mind indeed ....

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109737133&postcount=3981


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Youd have to wonder did Mr Smith change his statement ?
    That kind of huge if he didnt ,
    Its all very odd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    oceanman wrote: »
    quickly moved outside and hidden!...so well that hundreds of police, sniffer dogs,
    and the general public combing the area never found a trace of the body.....not even to this day.

    You may wish to take note that scenario was presented as a foil to the other unlikely scenario where it was claimed that any abduction would likley result in no evidence being found tbh.

    Well but just for one thing. The cadaver dog did in fact alert to an area of the balcony adjacent to the parents bedroom and an area of garden in front of the apartment close to a spot where there was bushes and other vegetation afaik.

    With a possibility body had been moved there by a person or persons unknown whilst the 'police' and 'general public were still searching for a live child that night. Once that died down there would certainly been an opportunity to move same. The 'sniffer' dogs didn't arrive to the following morning.

    And as you ask where the body (if dead) is now? Well nobody knows hence this discussion...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »

    I really do not understand why some posters are quite happy to go with the Smith statement but scream blue murder when the identity of the man is detailed. Funny that.


    For the dozenth time, Gerry McCann could not have been in two places at once.


    I honestly don't know how else to explain it to make it any clearer!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    For the dozenth time, Gerry McCann could not have been in two places at once.

    I honestly don't know how else to explain it to make it any clearer!

    (Whistles innocently) Which two places?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Youd have to wonder did Mr Smith change his statement ?
    That kind of huge if he didnt ,
    Its all very odd

    He didn't- See post above


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    gozunda wrote: »
    Youd have to wonder did Mr Smith change his statement ?
    That kind of huge if he didnt ,
    Its all very odd

    He didn't- See post above

    Why would the BBC lie ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭oceanman


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    You may wish to take note that scenario was presented as a foil to the other unlikely scenario where it was claimed that an abduction would likley result in no evidence being found tbh.

    Well but just for one thing. The cadaver dog did in fact alert to an area of the balcony adjacent to the parents bedroom and an area of garden in front of the apartment close to a spot where there was bushes and other vegetation afaik.

    With a possibility body had been moved there by a person or persons unknown whilst the 'police' and 'general public were still searching for a live child that night. Once that died down there would certainly been an opportunity to move same. The 'sniffer' dogs didn't arrive to the following morning.

    And as you ask where the body (if dead) is now? Well nobody knows hence this discussion...
    but not moved by the mc cans...as they would have been constantly in the presence of police, friends, at that stage with their daughter just gone missing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Why would the BBC lie ?

    Good question. I've no idea. This from the link.

    The BBC even went as far as to make this claim. In a ‘Panorama’ programme broadcast in May 2017 to mark the tenth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, presenter Richard Bilton told viewers that the Smiths had changed their mind about seeing Gerry McCann and now believed they had seen someone else.

    In recent weeks, I have spoken to Martin Smith at his home in Drogheda. He told me he continues to stand by everything he said to police in 2007. At no point did he withdraw his statement or change his mind about the sighting.

    He is frustrated by media claims that he now says he was mistaken; and remains “60-80 per cent” convinced that the man he saw that night was Gerry McCann.

    After the BBC programme was broadcast, Martin contacted ‘Panorama’ and informed them of their inaccuracy. But the broadcaster failed to correct the record despite its public service remit.

    Last month, I asked the BBC why they had wrongly suggested the Smith sighting had been withdrawn and if they were willing to correct their error at this late stage.

    I received a reply acknowledging that they had indeed broadcast an inaccuracy. They agreed to update the ‘Panorama’ programme on their iPlayer to reflect the correction. They say the mistake was made in good faith but they have failed to explain how they came to make such a fundamental error and why they did not check if their story about the Smiths was correct before they aired the programme.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Very very odd the one real witness who says he saw a face and its dismossed by the BBC , it would be the most important part of the investigation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 yamaha50


    John Podesta kidnap made link and bill clinton murdered her
    Open your eyes sheeple


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    I should have said earlier Colin Sutton was the Met detective who was tipped to lead the McCann investigation when the Met got involved(2010). He refused to lead the investigation after a senior officer rang him and told him his job would be to prove Gerry and Kate were to be proven innocent and only the abduction theory could be explored no other avenues. He stated this on the Martin Brunt programme on Sky News.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    So you daughter goes missing in a foreign country, the best thing to do is ignore the advice of the local authorities. I could understand if the McCanns were idiots but they as doctors are highly educated and surely could understand the reasoning behind the police request.

    That they choose to ignore the police "advice", if that was their advice, is somehow an indication of their guilt? I fail to see understand your thought process.

    Considering that it's 12 years since the little girl went missing and this case is still in the public domain and that we are discussing it on this forum proves that the parents were correct in choosing not to take the "advice" of the Portuguese police.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    That they choose to ignore the police "advice", if that was their advice, is somehow an indication of their guilt? I fail to see understand your thought process.


    I didn't say they were guilty, I said it was odd they refused to cooperate with the people tasked to find their daughter. Releasing the photo showing Madeline's unique eye defect lessened the chance of her survival if she was abducted .


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