Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

lawred2 · 20-03-2019 11:59PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Seems a few are thinking along the same lines
https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1108483900970594304?s=19

Delegitimise, vilify and sideline Parliament. Stage one of establishing a dictatorship.

MikeSoys · 21-03-2019 12:01AM

leaving with a no-deal is looking more likely now!

Conservative Peter Bone tells PM she has a choice: "Honour" the wishes of the British people by allowing the UK to leave the EU next week, or "betray" them by delaying #Brexit - warning "history will judge you at this moment"
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Macron will veto *any* delay to Brexit, according to this French media report. https://t.co/LdsKDLWM6E https://t.co/gUwwWkm98S

Shelga · 21-03-2019 12:05AM

Is there even an appetite amongst the EU27 for the UK to hold another referendum? Is it another thing where Remainers are doing the Brexiters’ thing of ploughing ahead with lobbying for something, unaware of whether the EU will even be open to it?

Eod100 · 21-03-2019 12:08AM

Am I right in thinking the extension to A50 until June is to get a MV3 passed next week? Can it get passed in HOC if motion doesn't change? Will UK contest European elections if still in EU past May?

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 12:11AM

There's so much anger out there after her speech, what a disaster.

bilston · 21-03-2019 12:11AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

At this stage my sympathy for many/most voters in NI is practically zero.

They vote for either DUP who want a no deal crash out which potentially could destroy their economy or sinn fein who are happy to sit on the sidelines in the HoC, Dail and Stormont.

And thats not mentioning the Stormont suspension.

And yet they will keep voting for these parties who serve them so badly. Stockholm Syndrome at its finest!

I think we will cope without your sympathy ToBeFrank

I'm not sure we will cope with a no deal Brexit, which is much more concerning.

Headshot · 21-03-2019 12:12AM

Good auld Suzanne Evans on Newsnight with her lies and BS. it's so ****ing tiring that there's never anyone there to channel leavers on their BS

I honestly think they live in their old world of magic and unicorns

bilston · 21-03-2019 12:13AM

Hurrache wrote: »

There's so much anger out there after her speech, what a disaster.

Well it angered me because on the one hand she talks about uniting the country. On the other hand she basically gave two fingers to anyone who voted Remain.

This is the problem with her Premiership, from the start she has ignored 48% of the population. How on earth could she ever find a consensus with that sort of attitude?

Sparko · 21-03-2019 12:14AM

Hurrache wrote: »

There's so much anger out there after her speech, what a disaster.

I'm honestly amazed she came out and gave that speech, really can't see how she thought it was a good idea. Her advisers are sabotaging her.

c.p.w.g.w · 21-03-2019 12:15AM

Headshot wrote: »

Good auld Suzanne Evans on Newsnight with her lies and BS. it's so ****ing tiring that there's never anyone there to channel leavers on their BS

I honestly think they live in their old world of magic and unicorns

That the person who said the the border was a red herring

Joe_ Public · 21-03-2019 12:16AM

Headshot wrote: »

Good auld Suzanne Evans on Newsnight with her lies and BS. it's so ****ing tiring that there's never anyone there to channel leavers on their BS

I honestly think they live in their old world of magic and unicorns

Actually first time I’ve had a laugh about this whole thing all day, knew before she went to the board that she was going to go straight for the No Deal choice. She just basically ignored everything else!

Surprised at Anand not giving the second ref much traction. Very clued in but I thought that’s a miscalculation.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2019 12:17AM

Headshot wrote: »

Good auld Suzanne Evans on Newsnight with her lies and BS. it's so ****ing tiring that there's never anyone there to channel leavers on their BS

I honestly think they live in their old world of magic and unicorns

Quite extraordinary that she was allowed to say, 'that things would carry on as normal on the border after a hard Brexit' without anyone in that studio challenging her.

Shelga · 21-03-2019 12:17AM

Headshot wrote: »

Good auld Suzanne Evans on Newsnight with her lies and BS. it's so ****ing tiring that there's never anyone there to channel leavers on their BS

I honestly think they live in their old world of magic and unicorns

Kirsty Wark: "What will happen with the border in Ireland?"

Suzanne Evans: "Nothing, that's a red herring, we will just carry on as we are" *shrugs*

Kirsty Wark: moves on to next item

Staggeringly awful 'journalism' from the BBC, as usual. Lather rinse repeat.

Headshot · 21-03-2019 12:21AM

Shelga wrote: »

Kirsty Wark: "What will happen with the border in Ireland?"

Suzanne Evans: "Nothing, that's a red herring, we will just carry on as we are" *shrugs*

Kirsty Wark: moves on to next item

Staggeringly awful 'journalism' from the BBC, as usual. Lather rinse repeat.

But that's the BBC these days, it's fallen so much

PropJoe10 · 21-03-2019 12:23AM

Headshot wrote: »

But that's the BBC these days, it's fallen so much

It really has. Chasing Bercow down the street yesterday asking him if he's trying to ruin Brexit was also pretty tabloidy.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-03-2019 12:24AM

More storms in a teacup , a week is long time in politics, and there's just over a week to go.

Sadly too few MP's have had the courage of their convictions, other wise it would be popcorn time. Getting her deal through , not bloody likely now. But will she continue to actively go against the will of parliament to force her vision against the threat of anarchy ?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/acting-like-trump-theresa-may-sparks-mps-brexit-fury

Theresa May is facing a furious backlash from her own backbenchers and calls for her resignation after she blamed squabbling MPs for delaying Brexit
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Tory sources said David Evennett MP had told May that if she did not resolve the crisis “your time will have come to an end” and fellow MP Nigel Evans also signalled he believed she should step down.

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Several MPs, including Stephen McPartland and Ben Bradley, said the prime minister’s request to delay article 50 had made it actively more difficult for them to back her deal at the next vote.

MrMusician18 · 21-03-2019 12:24AM

Hurrache wrote: »

If there's enough votes in favour of the WA they'll have enough votes to ride over his ruling.

There is no plans to change the rules of parliament or override him. The idea is that the European Council will endorse the "Strasbourg Agreement" tomorrow, which will constitute a change in the proposition, therefore there will be no impediment to bringing the bill before parliament again. Now this excuse is paper thin and is really only cover for Bercow, who will be under enormous pressure to allow the vote.

The vote will definitely go ahead if there is a feeling that it will be close.

Headshot · 21-03-2019 12:24AM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It really has. Chasing Bercow down the street yesterday asking him if he's trying to ruin Brexit was also pretty tabloidy.

Ya it was like something you see in TMZ in America

Awful gutter of journalism at it's best

Kermit.de.frog · 21-03-2019 12:24AM

Sky News has gone from tabloid rubbish to a fine news channel in the last few years in my opinion.

Use to always go for BBC News first, not anymore. BBC standards have fallen.

5 years a go it would have been a Sky News journo chasing him down the street, now it's the BBC that engages in that.

Headshot · 21-03-2019 12:26AM

Sigh that Nolan show was crap, barely any time to Brexit

Shelga · 21-03-2019 12:28AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There is no plans to change the rules of parliament or override him. The idea is that the European Council will endorse the "Strasbourg Agreement" tomorrow, which will constitute a change in the proposition, therefore there will be no impediment to bringing the bill before parliament again. Now this excuse is paper thin and is really only cover for Bercow, who will be under enormous pressure to allow the vote.

The vote will definitely go ahead if there is a feeling that it will be close.

Does the Strasbourg Agreement mean Tusk saying an extension is conditional on the WA vote passing?

I really don’t know how I would vote if I was an MP. This is complete blackmail by Theresa May now.

MikeSoys · 21-03-2019 12:29AM

if there is a no-deal:
a portion of irish beef farmers will be decimated where if they were able to get 3.85/kg this will be around 3.11/kg (under WTO rules) which will be close to the purchase cost excluding winter feeding etc.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/temporary-rates-of-customs-duty-on-imports-after-eu-exit/mfn-and-tariff-quota-rates-of-customs-duty-on-imports-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal#bovine-meat-beef

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2019 12:29AM

Headshot wrote: »

Sigh that Nolan show was crap, barely any time to Brexit

Nelson McCausland blaming everybody else for the mess.

devnull · 21-03-2019 12:31AM

I don't think I can hold back on my views on TM anymore, it's ridiculous now, a right farce.

There's a very good article from Lewis Goodall of Sky News here
https://news.sky.com/story/the-pms-conduct-puts-parliaments-long-term-vitality-in-peril-11671146

It says what we already know really, that she is playing very dangerous games with the future of the United Kingdom. It's one of several articles where the media are really starting to become very critical of her, even more than in the past and it feels like tonight was the night when her incompetence went to another level.

It feels profoundly like she is entering the last chance saloon now. We've said that time and time before but what she has done was irresponsible and shows signs of delusions and being wrapped up in her own bubble and she has completely lost touch with reality and is not fit to stay in her position in my opinion. She acts like she is a leader of a majority government and can influence them but she has no power at all.

That being said I don't see what her going at this stage will do other than making a No Deal Brexit more likely. She is totally unfit for office now, she's completely lost situational awareness, she frequently breaks her word, she doesn't want to bide by the rules of commons procedures, she refuses to listen to anyone, she respects nobody and carries on dictating how it will be regardless of how Parliament votes or what they say.

She's completely deranged at this point and is a danger to the country that she is the leader of. Her statements put the democratic Parliament of the UK in danger, her aggression towards MPs puts MPs, apparently some of which who have been given death threats, in danger, her high stake irresponsible games puts the livelihoods of millions in danger. Yet she still carries on regardless. She is callous and wilfully derliciting her duties as PM.

There's no doubt she'll go down as the worst Prime Minister the UK has ever had to date, when the dust settle, but the damage that she has done to a country which I called home in the past, could last for decades and it will all be her fault and her legacy will be damage to peoples futures, democracy and the political system as a whole.

Sadly, most of the above could have been a moot point if 'Her Majesty's Opposition' bothered to show up, instead they have sat by and allowed it to happen, whilst conducting internal fights playing childish games and party politics whilst also, not giving two hoots about the national interest.

Water John · 21-03-2019 12:31AM

Peston also had Farage on. Peston got very defensive when another panelist later attacked Farage and what he stood for.

Larbre34 · 21-03-2019 12:33AM

Lads, passing references to the British border in Ireland in UK media are merely reflective of the typical knowledge and priority given to that topic by voters in mainland Britain.

Akrasia · 21-03-2019 12:33AM

Headshot wrote: »

But that's the BBC these days, it's fallen so much

They also had a whiteboard with all the potential outcomes but not a single mention of withdrawing A50 even though its one of only 3 potential outcomes (with or without a 2nd referendum)

MikeSoys · 21-03-2019 12:41AM

how will the E.U help Ireland in a no-deal? Will they (for say 2year period) pick up the tab for typical trades with uk ie agriculture?

The Rape of Lucretia · 21-03-2019 12:43AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

More storms in a teacup , a week is long time in politics, and there's just over a week to go.

"Theresa May is facing a furious backlash from her own backbenchers and calls for her resignation after she blamed squabbling MPs for delaying Brexit"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/acting-like-trump-theresa-may-sparks-mps-brexit-fury

Its a bit rum, MPs getting uppity because she call them out for delaying the Brexit - many of them are very vocal and personal in their criticising of her to any media outlet that will listen to them. Sauce for the goose etc.

boggerman1 · 21-03-2019 12:44AM

Is there a speech in history that has ever backfired as badly as that from the M bot tonight.time for the EU to say enough is enough and leave on Friday week

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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