Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Imreoir2 · 20-03-2019 11:03PM

am i bovvered wrote: »

Scary, how many deluded, uninformed, frankly stupid people phone into LBC

They do arguably live up to their name though. Leading Britain's Conversation indeed.

prawnsambo · 20-03-2019 11:05PM

recedite wrote: »

Nope. The case was heard in the correct jurisdiction.

The judge ruled that the provisions of the GFA did not have anything to do with Brexit.
Its not all that hard to understand... if you are willing to understand it.

No it's not. But brexit hasn't happened yet and nothing has been agreed that could affect the GFA. But there are many pitfalls ahead. Not least the ECHR.

Donald Trump · 20-03-2019 11:06PM

recedite wrote: »

Nope. The case was heard in the correct jurisdiction.

The judge ruled that the provisions of the GFA did not have anything to do with Brexit.
Its not all that hard to understand... if you are willing to understand it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/28/belfast-court-rejects-legal-challenges-brexit

Yeah, I still think you don't understand it

“It is the court’s view the prerogative power is still operative and can be used for the purpose of the executive giving notification for the purpose of article 50. This, however, is said without prejudice to the issues which have been stayed and which are under consideration in the English courts,”

Judge remarks on the British (unwritten) constitution which doesn't prevent the GFA from being ripped up.

So you seem to infer from that that it somehow never existed or that it is not valid for Ireland to try its utmost to insist that it be honoured?

Infini · 20-03-2019 11:06PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

What purpose does him walking out of it because Umunna was there serve? It just makes him look weak and petty.

The man's unfit to lead. Thats your reason. Ego and pride before national interest. Same with May she's also unfit. Trying blackmail and Bullying tactics. The irony is that by threatening her deal or no deal it's a literal payday for the brain dead bullshíteers who want to crash out no matter what.

Capt'n Midnight · 20-03-2019 11:08PM

recedite wrote: »

. https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.5526291.1526887519!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg

Just assume May wanted to be on the winning team.

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 11:10PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The Guardian reporting that the DUP probably won't vote for the WA. Interesting times ahead.

On top of the the ERG saying the same earlier this evening.

Professor Moriarty · 20-03-2019 11:11PM

Hurrache wrote: »

On top of the the ERG saying the same earlier this evening.

Don't think she'll get that many defectors from Labour. I expect her to resign if it's defeated a third time. Let Boris have a go.

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 11:11PM

listermint wrote: »

Theresa may is a brexiteer, always has been. She's been around the Tory block enough times and the high profile donors who have made huge bets on brexit happening.

This no longer has anything to do with Britian. This is solely money and big money for select few backers.

She lobbied for remain in the lead up to the referendum.

Water John · 20-03-2019 11:16PM

Boris was asked into No 10 for a chat yesterday?
She didn't lobby very hard. It was so lukewarm people didn't know which side she was on.

Joe_ Public · 20-03-2019 11:17PM

listermint wrote: »

recedite wrote: »

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I'm fully versed in that photo.

That was politicing. She was always a brexiteer. And has always had all the attributes of one. Including her husband.

Anyone who bought that photo needs their heads examined

They say she voted remain in the referendum but who knows really? She was either a brexiteer masquerading as a remainer then or a remainer wearing a brexiteers cloak now. Part of me thinks she’s merely an opportunist who decided the best way she could keep power was by latching onto her party’s right wing, probably seemed a good idea at the time. She’s basically a female Boris without a shred of the humour or charisma.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-03-2019 11:19PM

Not sure about the DUP. If they are the last ones holding out they will vote for the deal I think.

Unfortunately for May they aren't the only ones holding out.

BorneTobyWilde · 20-03-2019 11:24PM

Revoke Article 50 and take back the power and the threat from the EU that they will only delay brexit if they pass the MayDay Deal .
Then have a people vote on her deal, or to remain. It's not ****ing complicated, it's win win and let the people decide on the reality of Brexit, not the lie of 500M FOR NHS OR REMAIN IN EUROPE. I can see why so many voted for the 500m for the NHS.

Shelga · 20-03-2019 11:26PM

How are they going to get around John Bercow's ruling that they can't have another vote on the same deal, in order to do exactly that again next week? What fudge will be used?

jester77 · 20-03-2019 11:27PM

So she wants to pass a vote on something that has been rejected by historical margins, where she had been told that she can't repeat the same vote and then she comes out and insults the MPs that she needs to somehow persuade to change their minds.

The mind boggles

devnull · 20-03-2019 11:27PM

Labour MP has now claimed that Theresa May knows there have been death threats issued against MPs and that the speech tonight is unlikely to help with this situation.

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1108480028533293057

RickBlaine · 20-03-2019 11:29PM

Shelga wrote: »

How are they going to get around John Bercow's ruling that they can't have another vote on the same deal, in order to do exactly that again next week? What fudge will be used?

There is talk of propagation which end the current parliament session and start a new one. Controversial because it would require the Queen to offically open the new session which the palace probably wouldn't like.

It is basically switching parliament off and back on again.

Joe_ Public · 20-03-2019 11:29PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Revoke Article 50 and take back the power and the threat from the EU that they will only delay brexit if they pass the MayDay Deal .
Then have a people vote on her deal, or to remain. It's not ****ing complicated, it's win win and let the people decide on the reality of Brexit, not the lie of 500M FOR NHS OR REMAIN IN EUROPE. I can see why so many voted for the 500m for the NHS.

I agree with the general gist of this. Her deal v remain is the best we can hope for I think, revoking A50 I think too unlikely. Unfortunately getting her deal to pass is complicated and by no means a guarantee. Think the nhs figure was more like 300 mill but point taken.

Joe_ Public · 20-03-2019 11:31PM

devnull wrote: »

Labour MP has now claimed that Theresa May knows there have been death threats issued against MPs and that the speech tonight is unlikely to help with this situation.

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1108480028533293057

I’d there was any shred of doubt about her survival beyond the next couple of weeks I think that erased it. Totally wreckless and beyond stupid.

Headshot · 20-03-2019 11:31PM

Nolan Live on BBC One @ 10:35 tonight, should be an interesting watch

Akrasia · 20-03-2019 11:32PM

Hurrache wrote: »

She lobbied for remain in the lead up to the referendum.

So did Corbyn. Doesn't mean he wants to remain. She fought for the side she thought would advance her own political career the most

RickBlaine · 20-03-2019 11:33PM

am i bovvered wrote: »

Scary, how many deluded, uninformed, frankly stupid people phone into LBC

I saw one recently where someone suggested microchipping everyone in Ireland to track who is passing the border :rolleyes:

Shelga · 20-03-2019 11:45PM

They really need to stop referring to them as 'meaningful' votes. :rolleyes:

blackcard · 20-03-2019 11:50PM

Shelga wrote: »

They really need to stop referring to them as 'meaningful' votes. :rolleyes:

Yes. Does this mean other votes are meaningless? Similarly when they talk about a "People's vote". As opposed to a vote by non-people?

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 11:50PM

Shelga wrote: »

How are they going to get around John Bercow's ruling that they can't have another vote on the same deal, in order to do exactly that again next week? What fudge will be used?

If there's enough votes in favour of the WA they'll have enough votes to ride over his ruling.

Shelga · 20-03-2019 11:52PM

Hurrache wrote: »

If there's enough votes in favour of the WA they'll have enough votes to ride over his ruling.

But how will they know there are enough votes in favour of the WA unless they, y'know, actually hold the vote??

The UK continues to eat itself. 9 days to go.

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 11:53PM

Shelga wrote: »

But how will they know there are enough votes in favour of the WA unless they, y'know, actually hold the vote??

The UK continues to eat itself. 9 days to go.

Another conundrum.

ToBeFrank123 · 20-03-2019 11:54PM

Headshot wrote: »

Nolan Live on BBC One @ 10:35 tonight, should be an interesting watch

At this stage my sympathy for many/most voters in NI is practically zero.

They vote for either DUP who want a no deal crash out which potentially could destroy their economy or sinn fein who are happy to sit on the sidelines in the HoC, Dail and Stormont.

And thats not mentioning the Stormont suspension.

And yet they will keep voting for these parties who serve them so badly. Stockholm Syndrome at its finest!

prawnsambo · 20-03-2019 11:54PM

Shelga wrote: »

They really need to stop referring to them as 'meaningful' votes. :rolleyes:

I kind of like it. It suggests that every other vote they take is meaningless.

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 11:56PM

devnull wrote: »

Labour MP has now claimed that Theresa May knows there have been death threats issued against MPs and that the speech tonight is unlikely to help with this situation.

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1108480028533293057

Seems a few are thinking along the same lines
https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1108483900970594304?s=19

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1108501352311869441?s=19

RickBlaine · 20-03-2019 11:58PM

#MayMustGo is now trending. Her speech backfiring so spectacularly would be funny if it weren't so serious.

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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