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meeeeh · 09-03-2019 02:51PM

limnam wrote: »

What do you suggest as a solution to stop people getting addicted to anything that can harm them in anyway?

Well stop advertising it would be a good start. Make it easy to close the account and impossible to open without passport number or other forms of id.

Or you can pretend that there is no issue.

Joe_ Public · 09-03-2019 02:55PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's not just him. The email is to entice everyone to gamble more. In the next few years practices like this will be illegal. Most likely all advertising & sponsorship will be banned not unlike alcohol and cigarettes.

It probably will happen though not for a few years yet i would imagine. The GAA already passed a motion banning gambling sponsorship of events and jerseys. That is a very good, proactive step but don’t count too heavily on politicians following suit with rapid legislation imo.

They they’ll have the sugar lobbies to take on and the phone companies too to tackle the growing scourge of mobile phone addiction that will turn future generations to zombies. Depends where they want to draw the line i guess.

limnam · 09-03-2019 03:09PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Well stop advertising it would be a good start. Make it easy to close the account and impossible to open without passport number or other forms of id.

Or you can pretend that there is no issue.

It's not about pretending if there's an issue or not we can't keep controlling what people see or don't see to protect the minority.

I don't know of many large bookies who make it hard to close an account. Fairly straight forward I'd imagine.

Sure requesting ID for accounts seems reasonable, will it have that much impact on addictions?

PP for example looks straight forward enough.

B. Lifetime Exclusion

As part of our commitment to responsible gambling, Paddy Power provides options to customers who have issues with gambling. One such option is to request a permanent self-exclusion. The Lifetime Exclusion option allows you to permanently close your account with us. Your balance will be transferred to your most recently used payment method. You will not be able to reactivate your account.

Sleeper12 · 09-03-2019 03:25PM

meeeeh wrote:

Almost the only ads shown during sporting events are for gambling. Newspapers report the ods, radio shows discuss them and it's the easiest addiction to service. You don't even need to get out of bed to place a bet.

The reason all the ads are for gambling is because the drink & cigarettes ads are already banned.

It's the families of the addict I feel sorry for. The addict gambles money for the rent, mortgage, school uniform & even food. My adult nephew tells me of times his dad took his school lunch money and bus fare off the mantelpiece before he got up. The kid would walk to school, get into trouble for being late and then go hungry for the day all so his dad would have a few pounds to lose on the horses. The kid never told his mum because he didn't want his dad in trouble & for another shouting match as he lay awake in bed.

It's easy to ridicule or make light of addicts lack of self control or talk about personal responsibility but I worry about their family.

limnam · 09-03-2019 03:30PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The reason all the ads are for gambling is because the drink & cigarettes ads are already banned.

It's the families of the addict I feel sorry for. The addict gambles money for the rent, mortgage, school uniform & even food. My adult nephew tells me of times his dad took his school lunch money and bus fare off the mantelpiece before he got up. The kid would walk to school, get into trouble for being late and then go hungry for the day all so his dad would have a few pounds to lose on the horses. The kid never told his mum because he didn't want his dad in trouble & for another shouting match as he lay awake in bed.

It's easy to ridicule or make light of addicts lack of self control or talk about personal responsibility but I worry about their family.

No one's making "light" of it. The seriousness of the addiction is not lost on anyone so stop throwing that around.

It's very sad. That doesn't mean the answer is to then impact the majority of people who gamble responsibly.

Watching young kids lose thier parents because they kill themselves eating take aways doesn't mean we need to go banning advertising for food. Nor does it mean we make light of how serious it is.

Sleeper12 · 09-03-2019 03:44PM

limnam wrote:

As part of our commitment to responsible gambling, Paddy Power provides options to customers who have issues with gambling. One such option is to request a

My sister in law went to every bookies in London with her husbands photo begging them to ban him. William Hill, Ladbrooks etc. Not a sing one wou do as she asked. This was 25 or 30 years ago. I wonder if things have changed

limnam · 09-03-2019 03:49PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

My sister in law went to every bookies in London with her husbands photo begging them to ban him. William Hill, Ladbrooks etc. Not a sing one wou do as she asked. This was 25 or 30 years ago. I wonder if things have changed

I wouldn't expect any company to allow someone else to request another adult be banned from thier shop. That's rediclous.

The above is for their online account. Nothing is really going to prevent someone from walking into a shop and placing a bet.

If someone has no control they'll get the bet placed regardless.

Sleeper12 · 09-03-2019 05:08PM

limnam wrote: »

I wouldn't expect any company to allow someone else to request another adult be banned from thier shop. That's rediclous.

The above is for their online account. Nothing is really going to prevent someone from walking into a shop and placing a bet.

If someone has no control they'll get the bet placed regardless.

This is my point. The spokesperson yesterday was putting a lot of spin on it. She made out that they do everything they can as far as addicts are concerned.She implied that self regulation was working perfectly.

If my brother in law won large sums of money all the time they would limit him or outright ban him with or without his wife being involved yet when his wife pleads with them & pointing out that he's stealing their food & rent money they don't care. She told them they'd be homeless if they don't stop him. They didn't care. This isn't the picture painted yesterday by the spokesperson. If she was to be believed sure it's almost a family activity it's so well regulated & wholesome. The listeners saw right through her spin though. I just realized that Elle isn't a spokesperson as such. She works in the bookie industry though. I did notice she stayed on the line but didn't come back to answer any of the callers concerns.

Just listened back to that podcast on newstalk site. I genuinely had to laugh. Right beside a podcast on the downside of betting shops is an ad for guess what??? Toalsbet .com :pac::pac::pac:

limnam · 09-03-2019 05:20PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This is my point. The spokesperson yesterday was putting a lot of spin on it. She made out that they do everything they can as far as addicts are concerned.She implied that self regulation was working perfectly.

If my brother in law won large sums of money all the time they would limit him or outright ban him with or without his wife being involved yet when his wife pleads with them & pointing out that he's stealing their food & rent money they don't care. She told them they'd be homeless if they don't stop him. They didn't care. This isn't the picture painted yesterday by the spokesperson. If she was to be believed sure it's almost a family activity it's so well regulated & wholesome. The listeners saw right through her spin though. I just realized that Elle isn't a spokesperson as such. She works in the bookie industry though. I did notice she stayed on the line but didn't come back to answer any of the callers concerns.

Just listened back to that podcast on newstalk site. I genuinely had to laugh. Right beside a podcast on the downside of betting shops is an ad for guess what??? Toalsbet .com :pac::pac::pac:

Still don't get your suurprised some woman dragging around a grown man asking for him to be banned and they didn't do it is surprising.

TBH if i was working in one of the shops I'd have barred her. She sounds nuts.

Tell me how · 13-03-2019 08:07PM

Anyone hear the piece on the show today about alcohol consumption.

Both younger people who called in (23 and 25) seemed very level headed and spoke about the pressure that exists within their peer groups to drink excessively.

We talk a lot as a country about how there is nothing to do that doesn't involve drink at some point or another but we haven't yet created any alternative options with mass appeal. I wonder why. Maybe it will come eventually given the crack down and lowering of BAC levels for driving in recent times.

liam7831 · 13-03-2019 11:49PM

How many times a week does she say " ripping up the running order live and unscripted"

I'm sure 90% of the "running order" is pre arranged as she asks you to text in during the week for Friday.

Tell me how · 14-03-2019 12:34AM

liam7831 wrote: »

How many times a week does she say " ripping up the running order live and unscripted"

I'm sure 90% of the "running order" is pre arranged as she asks you to text in during the week for Friday.

Is it that hard to understand?

She invites people all week to make suggestions as to what will be discussed on Friday. I suspect people respond as she does so as it is a reminder maybe of something they had on their mind they would like discussed. So, they text. As the texts come in, they create a list and ring people to ask would they be willing to discuss.
When Friday comes, all topics are those which have been suggested by the listener.

You seem to be looking for a haphazard lucky dip of only thinking at 12:03 of what will be discussed.

Why would any station do that?

14-03-2019 12:39AM

liam7831 wrote: »

How many times a week does she say " ripping up the running order live and unscripted"

I'm sure 90% of the "running order" is pre arranged as she asks you to text in during the week for Friday.

obviously the basics are planned in advance, ie the producer or researchers will reply to listeners who have suggested topics.

Why does this so irk a small minority of listeners?

Almost every live call-in show works in this way. It's almost comic that some people seem to think any broadcaster would go on air without having anyone lined-up.

Quite interesting that nobody has ever castigated Joe Duffy for having been aware of what's coming up.

14-03-2019 08:38AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

obviously the basics are planned in advance, ie the producer or researchers will reply to listeners who have suggested topics.

Why does this so irk a small minority of listeners?

Almost every live call-in show works in this way. It's almost comic that some people seem to think any broadcaster would go on air without having anyone lined-up.

Quite interesting that nobody has ever castigated Joe Duffy for having been aware of what's coming up.

Because no other radio show including Duffy goes on about “ripping up the running order” “anything could happen “ “we,re going live and unscripted “its all up to you guys” .........how daring and brave are we ? etc etc etc etc. Its on every ad break in the run up to it !
THAT’S what’s irks people !

Sleeper12 · 14-03-2019 08:44AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

obviously the basics are planned in advance, ie the producer or researchers will reply to listeners who have suggested topics.

Why does this so irk a small minority of listeners?

Almost every live call-in show works in this way. It's almost comic that some people seem to think any broadcaster would go on air without having anyone lined-up.

Quite interesting that nobody has ever castigated Joe Duffy for having been aware of what's coming up.

What irks me about it is that they make such a big deal about it being live & unscripted. Joe Duffy doesn't make these claims & yet his show truly can go anywhere. He has often planned on two topics but the first one is so popular that not only does he scrap the 2nd topic, he may run with it the next day too.His show runes an hour & 15 minutes & in that time I have seen governments back down on something based on the reaction from his show. I know plenty don't like Liveline but it's possibly one of the most important shows on Irish airways.

The likes of Gerry Ryan could go unscripted many moons ago but in fairness to him if the phone lines went quiet he could spin a few records or waffle on for 10 minutes about Thunderbirds or anything.

For me it's not that the show isn't unscripted. It's the fact that she makes out that the show can go anywhere & then she'll cut an interesting caller down because the alotted 10 given for that subject is up. It's not quite the wild rollercoster ride that's promised each week. The only difference I see is that there is no studio guest on Fridays

Sleeper12 · 14-03-2019 08:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because no other radio show including Duffy goes on about “ripping up the running order” “anything could happen “ “we,re going live and unscripted “its all up to you guys” .........how daring and brave are we ? etc etc etc etc. Its on every ad break in the run up to it !
THAT’S what’s irks people !

You are a faster typer than me. Above is exactly what i find a turnoff about Fridays

meeeeh · 14-03-2019 10:08AM

Actually toward the second half of the show they do work with less of a running order. They see which themes got good response and take callers on topics that were already discussed, basically whatever sticks gets more attention and themes that didn't get less attention. I think last week gambling theme was one of the first ones on the show and it was still discussed at the end of the show.

But I guess people have to be outraged about something. Couple of weeks ago it was a disgrace that she spoke about mourning her parents.

Sleeper12 · 14-03-2019 10:15AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Actually toward the second half of the show they do work with less of a running order. They see which themes got good response and take callers on topics that were already discussed, basically whatever sticks gets more attention and themes that didn't get less attention. I think last week gambling theme was one of the first ones on the show and it was still discussed at the end of the show.

But I guess people have to be outraged about something. Couple of weeks ago it was a disgrace that she spoke about mourning her parents.

I listen most days. Sometimes she's good & sometimes not so good. I don't listen just to moan about her here. Many seem to do just this.

The only issue I have with your post is that something can annoy me without me being outraged. Voicing an opinion different to yours isn't automatic outrage.

The only thing that annoys me about the Friday show is the way she describes it. It's not the roller coaster ride she thinks it is. She needs to go to a theme park to see what a roller coaster ride is

meeeeh · 14-03-2019 10:18AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I listen most days. Sometimes she's good & sometimes not so good. I don't listen just to moan about her here. Many seem to do just this.

The only issue I have with your post is that something can annoy me without me being outraged. Voicing an opinion different to yours isn't automatic outrage.

The only thing that annoys me about the Friday show is the way she describes it. It's not the roller coaster ride she thinks it is. She needs to go to a theme park to see what a roller coas

Then you can call it being irrational instead of outrage but if you listen to the programme on Fridays you would know she moves from topic to topic in fairly random way and sometimes she isn't able say what will be discussed after commercial break.

Sleeper12 · 14-03-2019 10:45AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Then you can call it being irrational instead of outrage but if you listen to the programme on Fridays you would know she moves from topic to topic in fairly random way and sometimes she isn't able say what will be discussed after commercial break.

And yet only the topics mentioned before her show starts are covered. When you say she doesn't know what's coming after the break, it can only be one of two or three things. Things that she has already told us will be on the show.

It's not that big a deal but it sounds like she is describing someone else's show when she describes the Friday show

14-03-2019 12:11PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Actually toward the second half of the show they do work with less of a running order. They see which themes got good response and take callers on topics that were already discussed, basically whatever sticks gets more attention and themes that didn't get less attention. I think last week gambling theme was one of the first ones on the show and it was still discussed at the end of the show.

But I guess people have to be outraged about something. Couple of weeks ago it was a disgrace that she spoke about mourning her parents.

I'm with Sleeper12 on this. Newstalk is on at work so I hear it every day. I don't comment on every topic or every day. When its something I disagree with I make a comment. I would do the same with Newstalk Breakfast or Sean Moncrieff. I am not outraged about anything. Making a comment and having a different opinion is not outrage, its called having a brain and thought processes of my own. We all do. That's what makes for interesting discussion, debate and conversation.

Its trendy now to shut down anyone with an opinion that's not 100% PC as "outraged" and its getting boring.

14-03-2019 01:40PM

I just got into the car and turned the radio on, so correct me if I picked it up wrongly, but Ciara is going on that she has never seen a school bus in the Republic of Ireland and thinks we should start using them?

For real?

meeeeh · 14-03-2019 01:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its trendy now to shut down anyone with an opinion that's not 100% PC as "outraged" and its getting boring.

I think you should look up political correctness. I doubt disagreements about running order on the show come under it.

Yeah she did say she didn't see school buses in the Republic. Which in fairness is staggering ignorance considering the school bus accidents that happened in the past.

Joe_ Public · 14-03-2019 02:07PM

You don’t see many school buses in dublin in fairness. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one.

sydthebeat · 14-03-2019 02:10PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Which in fairness is staggering ignorance considering the school bus accidents that happened in the past.

personally that isnt where i would have gone to first (as there really isnt a high number of these accidents).... i would have said:

Which in fairness is staggering ignorance considering the chaos every august about getting kids onto school buses..... to serve the 116,000 kids that travel to school on school buses

meeeeh · 14-03-2019 02:48PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

personally that isnt where i would have gone to first (as there really isnt a high number of these accidents).... i would have said:

I don't know about chaos. Our school does school bus and I got zero information about it. As it happens it suits me better to drop them in on a way to work (3 minute detour) but unless you look for it you can be blissfully unaware about any chaos in August.

14-03-2019 02:55PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I think you should look up political correctness. I doubt disagreements about running order on the show come under it.

Yeah she did say she didn't see school buses in the Republic. Which in fairness is staggering ignorance considering the school bus accidents that happened in the past.

nope you said and I quote "I guess people have to be outraged about something" so we are not specifically talking about the running order of the show. I was speaking about outrage in general (in response to your post in italics above)

meeeeh · 14-03-2019 03:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

nope you said and I quote "I guess people have to be outraged about something" so we are not specifically talking about the running order of the show. I was speaking about outrage in general (in response to your post in italics above)

I still don't know what has that to do with political correctness in the context of this show? Just to be clear I was implying that people (including you) just find silly reasons to be annoyed by something she says because they they don't like her. Nothing to do with political correctness.

Utopia Parkway · 14-03-2019 04:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its trendy now to shut down anyone with an opinion that's not 100% PC as "outraged" and its getting boring.

I have noticed this myself lately and a few on here use it fairly liberally.

14-03-2019 05:26PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I still don't know what has that to do with political correctness in the context of this show? Just to be clear I was implying that people (including you) just find silly reasons to be annoyed by something she says because they they don't like her. Nothing to do with political correctness.

I refer you back to my post #3027. I only comment when there is something I disagree with. Not for "silly reasons".
I listen most days, apart from today commenting about this "live and unscripted" gig, haven't actually posted in ages. Cheers

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