Domestic solar PV quotes 2018

Stefs_42 · 25-02-2019 03:40PM

Hi Guys,

As I m about to future proof my house with solar power. I got a quotation today from Energlaze on installing following:

10x peimar 300w allback panels
3kw 3000sph hybrid inverter
4.8kw battery storage
zappi car charging point (free until 28th Feb)

price breakdow as follows:
11,995 inc vat
-3,100 grant

net cost 8895

once i have EV purchased further grant of 600 e applied.

that brings down over all solar panel system down to 8,295.

So my question is: is this a good deal or is it a rip off, should i shop around for better deal?
thanks in advance!

niallers1 · 25-02-2019 03:47PM

Stefs_42 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

As I m about to future proof my house with solar power. I got a quotation today from Energlaze on installing following:

10x peimar 300w allback panels
3kw 3000sph hybrid inverter
4.8kw battery storage
zappi car charging point (free until 28th Feb)

price breakdow as follows:
11,995 inc vat
-3,100 grant

net cost 8895

once i have EV purchased further grant of 600 e applied.

that brings down over all solar panel system down to 8,295.

So my question is: is this a good deal or is it a rip off, should i shop around for better deal?
thanks in advance!

Seems expensive to me.
Mine is 14*300w panels
5kw Solis hybrid inverter
4.8kw pylontech battery storage
About 9.8k or 6k after Grant.
Had to pay for a B.E.R. myself

No such thing as getting something for free. You are being charged for the "free" item in the price quouted.

Stefs_42 · 25-02-2019 03:48PM

niallers1 wrote: »

Seems expensive to me.
Mine is 14*300w panels
5kw Solis hybrid inverter
4.8kw pylontech battery storage
About 9.8k or 6k after Grant.
Had to pay for a B.E.R. myself

what company done installation of your system if you dont mind?

niallers1 · 25-02-2019 03:49PM

Stefs_42 wrote: »

what company done installation of your system if you dont mind?

Not sure if we are allowed to say openly.
PM me for details.

KCross · 25-02-2019 03:53PM

Stefs_42 wrote: »

once i have EV purchased further grant of 600 e applied.

Are you sure about that? Sounds like an over enthusiastic salesman to me.

To get that charge point grant you need to apply for it BEFORE you do any work and you dont get the grant unless you can prove you have an EV bought so I dont believe you can retrospectively apply for the grant.

Stefs_42 · 25-02-2019 03:57PM

KCross wrote: »

Are you sure about that? Sounds like an over enthusiastic salesman to me.

To get that charge point grant you need to apply for it BEFORE you do any work and you dont get the grant unless you can prove you have an EV bought so I dont believe you can retrospectively apply for the grant.

i have official quotation with EV port installation included. and grant apparently i can claim only after EV purchase.

KCross · 25-02-2019 04:16PM

Stefs_42 wrote: »

i have official quotation with EV port installation included. and grant apparently i can claim only after EV purchase.

I'd get them to double check. AFAIK you cant retrospectively apply for that grant.

The fine print is here:
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

"Do not commence any work before the start date on your Letter of Offer otherwise this expenditure will be deemed ineligible and you will not receive grant support for it."

wexfordman2 · 25-02-2019 07:05PM

Stefs_42 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

As I m about to future proof my house with solar power. I got a quotation today from Energlaze on installing following:

10x peimar 300w allback panels
3kw 3000sph hybrid inverter
4.8kw battery storage
zappi car charging point (free until 28th Feb)

price breakdow as follows:
11,995 inc vat
-3,100 grant

net cost 8895

once i have EV purchased further grant of 600 e applied.

that brings down over all solar panel system down to 8,295.

So my question is: is this a good deal or is it a rip off, should i shop around for better deal?
thanks in advance!

5.85 kwp solar (18 panels)
5kw soltaro hybrid inverter
6kwh battery
Eddi hot water diverter
Ber

12k b4 grant, 8,200 after grant.

Stefs_42 · 25-02-2019 08:14PM

wexfordman2 wrote: »

5.85 kwp solar (18 panels)
5kw soltaro hybrid inverter
6kwh battery
Eddi hot water diverter
Ber

12k b4 grant, 8,200 after grant.

thats mighty good deal! who installed it?

Kaskade · 03-03-2019 10:43PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Thoughts folks?

I've got some quotes to mull over. Been quoted for standard glass on foil panels, and for more expensive glass on glass panels with a better warranty.

These prices are all after grant.

Cheaper panels (Peimar):
4kw with 2.4kwh battery - €4550
4kw with 4.8kwh battery - €5800

5kw with 2.4kwh battery - €6050
5kw with 4.8kwh battery - €7300

Premium panels (Solarwatt)
4kw with 2.4kwh battery - €6150
4kw with 4.8kwh battery - €7400

5kw with 2.4kwh battery - €7300
5kw with 4.8kwh battery - €8550

Battery and inverter are both by Growatt, 10 years warranty on inverter, 5 year on the battery.

The Peimar panels are guaranteed for 20 years to retain minimum 80% capacity.

The Solarwatt are guaranteed for 30 years for 87% capacity. The Solarwatt are also guaranteed against salt/corrosion.

I do have a high usage, averaging about 11 units per day and 15 per night (night rate tariff). Have some heavy use stuff like electric car charging (usually overnight) and a 400l tropical fish tank 24/7. Average bi-monthly bill is about €170 in summer and €230 in winter.

Thise prices also include immersion diverter (can be removed to drop the price by €450).

just sent you a PM, could you send me the name of the company please.

Evd-Burner · 13-03-2019 05:45PM

Hi All,

Just out of curiosity I have been looking into solar power and trying to find a solution with batteries and solar panels where during summer the battery can be powered by the solar and discharged when needed. But during the winter that it can be charged on night rate and discharged during day rate.

I think I found an MPPT Hybrid Inverter that would suit, Solis 5kw Hybrid Inverter RHI-5K-48es. See below snippet from the installation manual. What do you all think, it would help reduce payback time.

Solis Manual.PNG

What do you all think, would it help much to reduce payback time?

quentingargan · 13-03-2019 05:56PM

Evd-Burner wrote: »

Hi All,

Just out of curiosity I have been looking into solar power and trying to find a solution with batteries and solar panels where during summer the battery can be powered by the solar and discharged when needed. But during the winter that it can be charged on night rate and discharged during day rate.

I think I found an MPPT Hybrid Inverter that would suit, Solis 5kw Hybrid Inverter RHI-5K-48es. See below snippet from the installation manual. What do you all think, it would help reduce payback time.

Solis Manual.PNG

What do you all think, would it help much to reduce payback time?

You're absolutely right on this. In the winter months, the batteries will hardly get used at all, and you would set the TIME CHARGING on that inverter to RUN. Just be careful - on the bottom line on that menu there is an option for DISCHARGE TIME - which is for countries where you might get rewarded generously to export power during peak times (dream on :rolleyes:). Make sure the start and finish times on that option are the same so that total hours are zero.

Evd-Burner · 13-03-2019 07:25PM

As this particular unit also has a UPS function I had assumed the discharge time would be for providing power to the house and not the grid? I know a certain amount of the battery can be used as a reserve.

Does anybody know how this charger would work with something like the Zappi charger? I have an electric car where I'd love the excess to also go to it also.

Kaskade · 13-03-2019 08:01PM

rolion wrote: »

I'll say ..lets close the issue with PVs and the diverter.

I have a question about diverters. If your PV system is 2kw and it tabes 0.5kw to run your house in standby when you are not there. Then your immersion is 3kw. To turn on the immersion is no not going to take 1.5ke from the PV and another 1.5kw from the mains in order to power the 3kw switch?

At that rate is the diverter not pointless I’d you are on night rate where you can charger the water at half rate anyway?

Evd-Burner · 13-03-2019 08:15PM

No the diverter has monitoring equipment and controls how much energy is diverted. So it only diverts what you would potentially send to the grid.

So if you are generating 2kw and using 0.5kw then the diverter would send 1.5kw to the immersion.

quentingargan · 13-03-2019 08:30PM

Evd-Burner wrote: »

As this particular unit also has a UPS function I had assumed the discharge time would be for providing power to the house and not the grid? I know a certain amount of the battery can be used as a reserve.

Does anybody know how this charger would work with something like the Zappi charger? I have an electric car where I'd love the excess to also go to it also.

Nope - the discharge time is for exporting from batteries. Something you don't want to do.

I don't know about Zappi. It works with iBoost. The issue is the "export threshold" - the amount of power the clamp will allow to export before it kick in. On this unit, the threshold is 70 watts. The iBoost cuts in at about 100 watts, so it is fine and the battery takes priority. Other diversion units cut in at 50 watts, so the battery ends up filling the immersion. You want to be sure any diverter you use, heat or car charging, has a theshold of 100 watts or more.

Evd-Burner · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

quentingargan wrote: »

Nope - the discharge time is for exporting from batteries. Something you don't want to do.

I don't know about Zappi. It works with iBoost. The issue is the "export threshold" - the amount of power the clamp will allow to export before it kick in. On this unit, the threshold is 70 watts. The iBoost cuts in at about 100 watts, so it is fine and the battery takes priority. Other diversion units cut in at 50 watts, so the battery ends up filling the immersion. You want to be sure any diverter you use, heat or car charging, has a threshold of 100 watts or more.

OK I see what you mean, so basically just set it to charge during the night time when it is cheap and don't set anything for discharge and that way you make the most out of the battery during the winter months when there is no solar.

So when it comes to the diversion devices and battery charging you just need to know the thresholds in which the kick in so that they can be prioritized as such. I was looking at an Eddi also which works with the Zappi, it can be set as a secondary priority to the Zappi. So it would be battery, Zappi then the eddi (immerson). Although I'm not sure if I'd get the Eddi as the payback could take far too long, the price is far too high!

Thanks for the info.

rolion · 13-03-2019 10:13PM

Kaskade wrote: »

I have a question about diverters. If your PV system is 2kw and it tabes 0.5kw to run your house in standby when you are not there. Then your immersion is 3kw. To turn on the immersion is no not going to take 1.5ke from the PV and another 1.5kw from the mains in order to power the 3kw switch?

At that rate is the diverter not pointless I’d you are on night rate where you can charger the water at half rate anyway?

The diverter has a smart circuit / controller that does the maths for you.
Is working fine on a resistive immersion element as it can "warm-up" with few watts or few kilowatts". Thats not applicable to any other appliances which will require a minimum wattage to run.

If you want to start the war between day time and night time,electricity versus gas,@unkel is your man.
It will be pitty that most of the year, your paid off your pocket PV system to generate excess electricity and given for free to Mr. Grid.

Evd-Burner wrote: »

No the diverter has monitoring equipment and controls how much energy is diverted. So it only diverts what you would potentially send to the grid.

So if you are generating 2kw and using 0.5kw then the diverter would send 1.5kw to the immersion.

Corect.The diverter keeps few watts for himself so a small diference in there.
Also,in stand-by consumes around 5W every 10 seconds scanning the circuits.
There are more advanced diverters that does this switching at the one second intervalks,i think.
Once PV generation is less than the a preset value,cuts off the output to immersion.
Same, when it detects an apliance powered on in the house, adjusted dynamically the power to immersion to match the PV generation (without exceeding it) or switches off completely the output, to immersion.
As attached.

Evd-Burner · 13-03-2019 10:27PM

Rolion, I take it that you have some sort of boost installed, if so do you ever get full tanks out of it or do you have to boost it?

rolion · 13-03-2019 11:19PM

Evd-Burner wrote: »

Rolion, I take it that you have some sort of boost installed, if so do you ever get full tanks out of it or do you have to boost it?

For me is a bit different as i have the solar tubes as well,heating the 300l cylinder. Once the cylinder reaches 70 degress (from tubes or immersion),it switches off the diverter with "HotTank" warning.

For a typical 2KW minimum installed array power,i am assuming in 8 months of the year's 12 months, you will have excess PV going to immersion OR to grid (less in cloudy days and in weekend)

I am going offtopic here...sorry !
The main thermodynamic advantage of the immersion element is that the cold 13 degrees water in the bottom of the cylinder is getting "thermo kicked" to maybe 25-30 degrees by the PVs via immersion ellement. That "magic" boost makes the immersion viable and efficient as the main heating system (gas boiler via cylinder's integrated larger designed efficiency coil) has to work less to heat the water to over personally accepted 50ish degrees.

Thats where the magic happens...not at the top where is over 50... taking it from 10ish and up it to 50 ish is a hardwork. However,taking it from 30 to 50 is way less work for boiler and more cash back in your pocket.
I have a datalogger for my cilinder...i can post the graphs to show all the above variations and parameters.

https://www.vbus.net/#/diagram/12390

As below,my worry is at good sunny days, by 12 midday,cylinder is hot and any further PV generation from that moment, all PV generated electricity goes to Mr Grid,for free ... as today,and yesterday and so on...

Kaskade · 13-03-2019 11:37PM

rolion wrote: »

For me is a bit different as i have the solar tubes as well,heating the 300l cylinder. Once the cylinder reaches 70 degress (from tubes or immersion),it switches off the diverter with "HotTank" warning.

For a typical 2KW minimum installed array power,i am assuming in 8 months of the year's 12 months, you will have excess PV going to immersion OR to grid (less in cloudy days and in weekend)

I am going offtopic here...sorry !
The main thermodynamic advantage of the immersion element is that the cold 13 degrees water in the bottom of the cylinder is getting "thermo kicked" to maybe 25-30 degrees by the PVs via immersion ellement. That "magic" boost makes the immersion viable and efficient as the main heating system (gas boiler via cylinder's integrated larger designed efficiency coil) has to work less to heat the water to over personally accepted 50ish degrees

Are you getting those screenshots from the diverter? If so what brand or app do you use. I’m thinking of getting an Eddi to be able to program it to come on at night rate if required.

Evd-Burner · 13-03-2019 11:59PM

Rolion my sister has water flat panels on her roof, she said that the cost to service every 2 years makes it not worth while to use. I think she was quoted something like 200 for the service. What's it costing you?

rolion · 14-03-2019 12:25AM

Kaskade wrote: »

Are you getting those screenshots from the diverter? If so what brand or app do you use. I’m thinking of getting an Eddi to be able to program it to come on at night rate if required.

I dont have Eddi.
When i got mine,the only available on the market that had a proper switching solution was iBoost from HERE. In meantime, heard few more products appeared on the market for which i cannot discuss or review.

My reporting is done on multiple systems.
Solar on VBus and DL datalogger
Electricity and PVs on three different suppliers and integrated & combined to get me all the data i want.Betetr than the B737 8 Max,sadenly...

Evd-Burner wrote: »

Rolion my sister has water flat panels on her roof, she said that the cost to service every 2 years makes it not worth while to use. I think she was quoted something like 200 for the service. What's it costing you?

It could be corect,dunno to be honest.
My tubes are being serviced by a family friend that has a professional running plumbing business for which i "return" my IT services.So, is only my time.
The fact that i can see them working in realtime and in graphs,the belief that from May to September my boiler is off and all other time compensate to the hot water, i think that compensates the €100 per year. In hot days, we can have two full jacuzzy baths without being worried of going cold but likely "forced "to avoid system over heating...

ALSO,very important,is highly recommended to run a service call every year maybe oen hour just to check the system,even if you dont have to change any parts or fluid agents. Sort of a car NCT / DOE but for your own protection.
Those solar tubes can reach hundreds of degrees while in operation,as below.

dathi · 14-03-2019 10:51AM

rolion wrote: »

ALSO,very important,is highly recommended to run a service call every year maybe oen hour just to check the system,even if you dont have to change any parts or fluid agents. Sort of a car NCT / DOE but for your own protection.
Those solar tubes can reach hundreds of degrees while in operation,as below.

thats a very high collector temp do you not have a heat dump for when system reaches max temp to keep pump runing and stop the system stagnating

unkel · 14-03-2019 11:46AM

The system is under massive pressure at those temps as well and the coolant will deteriorate very quickly. You are right that you need a heat dump with that too. I'm no expert but I'm quite surprised the system lets the temps go over 200C without getting relief from a heat dump :eek:

Better off spending a little bit more money up front and have a quality system like a Kingspan Thermomax system that self vents so the temp never goes above 95C. Literally no pressure on the system, no heat dump required and it means the coolant should last a good 5 years instead of 1-2 years...

randombar · 14-03-2019 02:48PM

Anyone have a picture of battery switch disconnector mounted on their wall?

Just wondering how others have it mounted.

uck51js9zml2yt · 14-03-2019 02:56PM

I've decided to hold off for now and see what another year brings with technology and prices.
It will also let me see what my utility costs are for the house.
Only in it 6 months and got the oil range serviced last week and an upgrade done on the heating.

Water John · 15-03-2019 08:59PM

I wonder is this Grant aid to farms of any interest here, even if just for comparison. Seems to price a 6kWp solar installation at €15,500.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/new-tams-energy-grants-worth-e10-million-announced/

randombar · 15-03-2019 09:51PM

Water John wrote: »

I wonder is this Grant aid to farms of any interest here, even if just for comparison. Seems to price a 6kWp solar installation at €15,500.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/new-tams-energy-grants-worth-e10-million-announced/

Would know a few people interested.

Is the grant 60% of overall installation, whatever that costs OR €9300 towards a 6kWp inc battery?

Water John · 15-03-2019 10:32PM

IWT it's the overall installation. I was wondering was a price of €15.5K excessive?
Panels, inverter and battery.
I presume the higher grant might be for young farmers. the output must be used on the farm and all lighting must be changed to LED.

Domestic solar PV quotes 2018

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