Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

tuxy · 13-03-2019 09:06PM

Sky News questioning if May even has enough power over her party to sack cabinet members. And the answer is probably not, crazy.

Shelga · 13-03-2019 09:07PM

Are they going to have a vote on revoking article 50 outright?

At this stage, I’d put some money on that passing.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2019 09:07PM

I've been using the word shambles to describe brexit and this whole mess the British parliament have gotten themselves into, but I think shambles is too soft a word.

Havockk · 13-03-2019 09:07PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

So it's Back Stop or super soft Brexit?

No. May said that if the WA is not passed then nothing has changed. What else could May be doing but running down the clock?? Nothing else is making sense, although to be fair this is a pure shambles at Westminster tonight. Full on constitutional crisis.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 09:07PM

They are consigning British politics to years of conflict and division. The only way to cure it is for them to Brexit, go through self inflicted crisis after crisis...then come back chastened and in acceptance of who they are, not, who they think they are in the EU and the wider world.

13-03-2019 09:08PM

Akrasia wrote: »

And Corbyn now comes in to offer more unicorns. The EU are not open for negotiations anymore. That ship sailed months ago

Not if a softer Brexit emerges nearer what the EU would ideally like.

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 09:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are consigning British politics to years of conflict and division. The only way to cure it is for them to Brexit, go through self inflicted crisis after crisis...then come back chastened and in acceptance of who they are, not, who they think they are in the EU and the wider world.

And screw over how many people? Surely you'd have some sympathy for EU and non-EU migrants if not the British themselves.

Tell me how · 13-03-2019 09:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are consigning British politics to years of conflict and division. The only way to cure it is for them to Brexit, go through self inflicted crisis after crisis...then come back chastened and in acceptance of who they are, not, who they think they are in the EU and the wider world.

The risk with this is the length of time it would take for this to happen and the destabilising force they will be within the EU even once they leave as they will agitate for others to join them.

pc7 · 13-03-2019 09:10PM

I am beyond baffled now by the votes this evening. Absolutely bonkers.

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 09:10PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I've been using the word shambles to describe brexit and this whole mess the British parliament have gotten themselves into, but I think shambles is too soft a word.

We need a new superlative.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

And screw over how many people? Surely you'd have some sympathy for EU and non-EU migrants if not the British themselves.

The British parliament are like the captain and officers on the titanic in 1912.

devnull · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

The situation with TM is extraordinary.

May has just said in quite belligerent terms that she is refusing to engage with what the House has voted for and is saying that it's still her deal or nothing, she really is not serving democracy.

Sardonicat · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are consigning British politics to years of conflict and division. The only way to cure it is for them to Brexit, go through self inflicted crisis after crisis...then come back chastened and in acceptance of who they are, not, who they think they are in the EU and the wider world.

If the conflict and division is consigned to the political sphere they (and we) will get off lightly.

SimonTemplar · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

The government has spent the whole day telling us how catastrophic a no-deal would be, only to end up whipping its members to vote against ruling out a no-deal. It is farcical and embarrassing.

PropJoe10 · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I've been using the word shambles to describe brexit and this whole mess the British parliament have gotten themselves into, but I think shambles is too soft a word.

Yup, it just seems that they back themselves into more of a corner with every single passing day. It's getting to the stage where I'd be surprised if May is still there this time next week.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-03-2019 09:12PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Super soft Brexit would beg the question why on earth the UK was even leaving the EU (and it would be a good question)

To take back control of immigration ?

Brexit In Name Only is a complete waste for all concerned.

Saying goodbye to all the opt-outs to take back control over immigration when they aren't even using the controls they have ?

Remember, £40Bn a year is how much this is costing to HMG

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2019 09:12PM

Hurrache wrote: »

We need a new superlative.

We do but does one exist within the English language ?

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 09:12PM

While Mary Creagh is speaking, Theresa May is sat there smirking and shaking her head. Appalling behavior when so many livelihoods are at stake.

Beechwoodspark · 13-03-2019 09:13PM

I doubt UK will leave at this stage. Farce

Sardonicat · 13-03-2019 09:14PM

Havockk wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

So it's Back Stop or super soft Brexit?

No. May said that if the WA is not passed then nothing has changed. What else could May be doing but running down the clock?? Nothing else is making sense, although to be fair this is a pure shambles at Westminster tonight. Full on constitutional crisis.

These people are playing political football with their country. It's disgusting and frankly frightening .

Strazdas · 13-03-2019 09:14PM

devnull wrote: »

The situation with TM is extraordinary.

May has just said in quite belligerent terms that she is refusing to engage with what the House has voted for and is saying that it's still her deal or nothing, she really is not serving democracy.

She has been displaying dictatorial tendencies for months now

I'm not sure Brits realise they have a wrong 'un for a PM

Water John · 13-03-2019 09:14PM

I'm quite happy with tonight's votes, no to no deal, at last. Much stronger prospect of a soft Brexit or having a Ref between TMs Deal or Remain.

Don't understand why anyone is afraid of HOC taking control.

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 09:14PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The British parliament are like the captain and officers on the titanic in 1912.

Except that with the flick of a switch the hull can be patched up and the intruding water dispelled.

tuxy · 13-03-2019 09:14PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I doubt UK will leave at this stage. Farce

The markets would agree with you sterling just gained 2 cent on the USD.

Frank Bullitt · 13-03-2019 09:15PM

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1105924403525836801

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 09:16PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

And screw over how many people? Surely you'd have some sympathy for EU and non-EU migrants if not the British themselves.

People are being screwed over as we speak. I have huge sympathy for British people caught up in this but I don't see any other solution for them unless one of them is called Guy Fawkes.

Irish Praetorian · 13-03-2019 09:16PM

Water John wrote: »

I'm quite happy with tonight's votes, no to no deal, at last. Much stronger prospect of a soft Brexit or having a Ref between TMs Deal or Remain.

As a fairly remainical individual I think that might end up being the worst of both worlds; if there is to be a 2nd Referendum I think it behoves the government to put the 2nd most popular option on the table (no deal) no matter how insane it may sound. Frankly an AV vote between remain, no deal or deal would to my mind be the only sensible way of approaching the matter.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2019 09:17PM

What has Kenneth Clarke done for Jacob reese mog to include his name with the SNP ? I heard him say that on sky news between votes tonight. Is Kenneth Clarke talking sense or something ?

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 09:17PM

The contrast between the British government and the EU negotiating team is terrifying for migrants living here whose status is threatened. I watched an interview with Sabine Weyand recently and she came across as cool, professional and high capable (Here, if you're interested).

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 09:19PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

What has Kenneth Clarke done for Jacob reese mog to include his name with the SNP ? I heard him say that on sky news between votes tonight. Is Kenneth Clarke talking sense or something ?

Kenneth Clarke is very pro-Europe. Jacob is a little less pro-Europe.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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