Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Akrasia · 13-03-2019 08:52PM

Slim majority but May is totally goosed. She hasnt got the semblance of any control over her own party and half her cabinet will probably resign

If there is a motion tomorrow to withdraw A50 I think it might pass

tuxy · 13-03-2019 08:52PM

Cabinet resignations so?
Parliament trying to take some control but it changes nothing as May and her government is on the exact same course.

Shelga · 13-03-2019 08:52PM

May looks like she has aged 10 years since Christmas.

Water John · 13-03-2019 08:52PM

A Referendum she says would damage trust.
That's nuts.

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 08:53PM

How many times has this "Second referendum would damage trust" trope going to be dropped? This has been happening regularly with the Iraq War, austerity, MPs' expenses and the referendum of 2016.

lawred2 · 13-03-2019 08:53PM

So all the EU does is refuse an extension and they are bound to revoke A50?

Enzokk · 13-03-2019 08:54PM

Shelga wrote: »

The amended motion they just voted on looked like the exact same thing they voted on 15 minutes before that?? Same wording?

I’m hugely confused, Ted.

They voted to amend the motion. The motion then changed and thus it is not what the government wanted as it has been changed, that is why May whipped against it.

But she voted against taking no-deal off the table and I am sure she will have some plan up her sleeve to try and get her deal through, even after the Speaker has confirmed earlier that she cannot bring another vote for her deal without changing it. She cannot change it much as the EU might not agree to the changes, so it really is a mess.

Akrasia · 13-03-2019 08:54PM

Water John wrote: »

A Referendum she says would damage trust.
That's nuts.

She was jeered when she said that, and rightly so. Her treatment of parliament is a contempt for democracy

tuxy · 13-03-2019 08:55PM

lawred2 wrote: »

So all the EU does is refuse an extension and they are bound to revoke A50?

The vote today is not legally binding there can still be no deal through inaction.

Akrasia · 13-03-2019 08:56PM

And Corbyn now comes in to offer more unicorns. The EU are not open for negotiations anymore. That ship sailed months ago

lawred2 · 13-03-2019 08:57PM

tuxy wrote: »

The vote today is not legally binding there can still be no deal through inaction.

Fairly pointless so

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 08:57PM

Good speech by Corbyn.

Water John · 13-03-2019 08:57PM

Good speech by Corbyn, in fairness. Hope he rises to the time.

CelticRambler · 13-03-2019 08:57PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Jeez. The Tories need new whips.

The Tories need a new leader and a thorough clear-out of their back benches.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 08:58PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

The Tories need a new leader and a thorough clear-out of their back benches.

Any day now. Hopefully.

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 08:58PM

I'd say May is planning a third run on her deal. She has no other option.

tuxy · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Fairly pointless so

Not totally, it shows what parliament wants and that Tories are willing to rebel to avoid no deal.

Irishmale0399 · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

Lads as it stands...they dont want the WA May and EU have on the table, they dont want to leave without a deal and the EU have said the WA is the only deal on offer.....

Where to hell do they think they are going from here????

Imreoir2 · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

lawred2 wrote: »

So all the EU does is refuse an extension and they are bound to revoke A50?

I think the EU should be a little more subtle than that, don't make it harder for your opposit number to do what you want them to do. Allow an extnesion with good grace, the problems the UK faces won't go away in a few months. Once they extend they will never build up the nerve to go for a no-deal. It may take a few extensions to get there, but once the 29th of March passes with no Brexit then I think Brexit is well and truely dead.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd say May is planning a third run on her deal. She has no other option.

Bercow might stymie that.

Water John · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

ERG and DUP are cornered. Back TM or it will be a soft Brexit.
Bercow shoots down Mogg, whose making the point it was not law only an indicitive vote. Bercow points out that parliamentarians know how to move from the motion into law.

gooch2k9 · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd say May is planning a third run on her deal. She has no other option.

ERG are cornered to back it now Sky are saying. There had been rumblings of it being run tomorrow again, but I didn't get that impression from May there.

zapitastas · 13-03-2019 09:01PM

tuxy wrote: »

Not totally, it shows what parliament wants and that Tories are willing to rebel to avoid no deal.

They should have done that yesterday. Is a little late to do so now

Beechwoodspark · 13-03-2019 09:01PM

I wonder. Will they ever leave?

SimonTemplar · 13-03-2019 09:01PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd say May is planning a third run on her deal. She has no other option.

There was a suggestion that Bercow may not allow such a vote given that it was already put to and voted by parliament.

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 09:03PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Bercow might stymie that.

Aye. Excellent point.

It's the only option.

Withdrawing A50/People's Vote isn't an option. May is a Right wing authoritarian. Yielding to the will of the people is the last thing she wants after putting so much of herself into this deal.

And the House of Commons has voted against a No Deal.

Sardonicat · 13-03-2019 09:04PM

So it's Back Stop or super soft Brexit?

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 09:05PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Aye. Excellent point.

It's the only option.

Withdrawing A50/People's Vote isn't an option. May is a Right wing authoritarian. Yielding to the will of the people is the last thing she wants after putting so much of herself into this deal.

And the House of Commons has voted against a No Deal.

They might go down the road of indicative votes.

Water John · 13-03-2019 09:05PM

I don't care which one they choose, as you point Back Stop or Soft Brexit.
She'll do everything to avoid indicative votes as that give powers to Parliament.

Strazdas · 13-03-2019 09:06PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

So it's Back Stop or super soft Brexit?

Super soft Brexit would beg the question why on earth the UK was even leaving the EU (and it would be a good question)

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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