Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

CelticRambler · 13-03-2019 08:42PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Why did May want to reject "leaving with no deal'?

Who knows ...

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Why did they reject an extension to May 22nd?

It wasn't as simple as that, it was "extend to May 22, then have a pay-as-you-go Brexit" (which had already been given a categorical thumbs down by Barnier).

An awful lot of abstentions on that one, but maybe they'd all taken the opportunity to nip out for a smoke before the whip. Yesterday's promise of a free vote didn't last long. :rolleyes:

Mr.Nice Guy · 13-03-2019 08:43PM

Wonder if this vote tonight had happened before the second vote on the WA would it have helped swing it for May?

ERG and DUP now facing the prospect of a watered down Brexit or perhaps no Brexit at all. Sounds like May is going to make that very point and push for a third vote on her deal.

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 08:43PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

"It's not her motion" is the excuse now as it is amended.

Never has 'motion' been a more appropriate word for what's going through parliament.

Enzokk · 13-03-2019 08:43PM

This is confusing. Seeing that the Spellman amendment passed the main motion is now the Spellman motion and not the Government's motion. So May can whip against it. But if she whips and her cabinet ministers vote against it they will have to resign.

devnull · 13-03-2019 08:44PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wonder if this vote tonight had happened before the second vote on the WA would it have helped swing it for May?

ERG and DUP now facing the prospect of a watered down Brexit or perhaps no Brexit at all. Sounds like May is going to make that very point and push for a third vote on her deal.

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

Harry Palmr · 13-03-2019 08:44PM

Talk of ministers resigning - presumably juniors and non entities.

Shelga · 13-03-2019 08:46PM

I have no idea what’s going on.

CelticRambler · 13-03-2019 08:46PM

devnull wrote: »

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

That's true tonight; but the HoC can vote to unmake the law that defined the date of Brexit and pick another one (after consultation with the EU).

E mac · 13-03-2019 08:46PM

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

Your not the only one....

PropJoe10 · 13-03-2019 08:47PM

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

Nobody does, really. You're definitely not alone there!

Mr.Nice Guy · 13-03-2019 08:47PM

devnull wrote: »

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

That suggests the extension is going to be very important. A brief one probably doesn't bother the ERG much. If it's until the end of the year or beyond that might spook them as it would surely provide enough time for a general election or a second referendum.

Enzokk · 13-03-2019 08:47PM

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

You are not the only one. It seems May will be once again voting against her own motion and will be voting for no-deal, seeing that she is not voting to rule it out. Shambles.

Busi_Girl08 · 13-03-2019 08:48PM

Sounds like there are a lot of abstentions for this vote.

bilston · 13-03-2019 08:48PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Talk of ministers resigning - presumably juniors and non entities.

Could be Amber Rudd, Greg Clark and David Gaulke as they all abstained.

The British government is total disarray.

UsedToWait · 13-03-2019 08:48PM

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

I think it looks like a no on no no deal.

Harry Palmr · 13-03-2019 08:48PM

Amber Rudd abstained according to Sky News, not sure if it also means she is quitting. If she did then the government is basically wrecked.

gooch2k9 · 13-03-2019 08:48PM

Gaukward squad abstained. Rudd, Mundell, Gauke, Clarke.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 08:49PM

Rudd and Gauke abstained. Cabinet in trouble.

Beechwoodspark · 13-03-2019 08:49PM

It’s like a black box

EU has no interest until the black box spurts out an authentic position.

Then business can be done

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 08:49PM

What a farce, May votes against her amendment and whips others to do so, and apparently resignations may be likely.

Akrasia · 13-03-2019 08:50PM

devnull wrote: »

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

Doesn't seem to realise that the parliament can make and change the laws

devnull · 13-03-2019 08:50PM

Overall Motion Result
MPs are now voting on the government's motion, which has been amended to include ruling out no-deal completely.

PASSED

Yes - 321
No - 278
Majority - 43

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 08:50PM

Ayes 321, Noes 278.

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 08:50PM

So May defeated again?

Harry Palmr · 13-03-2019 08:50PM

321 v 278 - the whips whipped!

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 08:51PM

Jeez. The Tories need new whips.

Inquitus · 13-03-2019 08:51PM

Wow, that's astounding!

Shelga · 13-03-2019 08:51PM

The amended motion they just voted on looked like the exact same thing they voted on 15 minutes before that?? Same wording?

I’m hugely confused, Ted.

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 08:52PM

Hurrache wrote: »

So May defeated again?

I'm confused, this was all a waste of everyone's time.

Thargor · 13-03-2019 08:52PM

They're shouting at her to resign.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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