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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #8972
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,770 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Headshot wrote: »
    well i'm shocked, shocked I say...........

    What a horrible bunch to do this to to their own country which voted to say in the EU.

    They are really nasty pieces of work

    They don't see Ireland as their country. They would love nothing more than the dissolution of the GFA and the hardest of hard borders with the Republic.

    I hope they get routed in NI but I fear they could slide dogshoite through constituent's front doors and still hold their vote.


  • #8973
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Does it?


    I'm not sure how it does to be honest.

    Unionism needs moderate (soft) nationalists for to maintain the union. A hard border alienates that part of the population who identify with Ireland and Europe. It’s a very short sighted approach if that is DUP mindset never mind the anger within business community.


  • #8974
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Spelman-Dromey amendment more explicitly rules out no deal:

    http://twitter.com/MaryCreaghMP/status/1105573029940260864


  • #8975
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    More idiots on lbc now with the usual waffle of lets go WTO and were Britain were great.they need to crash out now.no extension,no more clarification's or any other crap to drag out this torture


  • #8976
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭Infini


    Hurrache wrote: »
    There's been a steady stream of them across Sky and BBC, each equally and as obviously annoyed and frustrated with the jokers in the HoC tonight.

    It's one thing to be mad about it, what's needed is to show them exactly how mad everyone else is outside the UK and how tired they are of this pantomime: Refuse the UK's request for an extension and head for the end of this farce one and for all.


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  • #8977
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Does it?


    I'm not sure how it does to be honest.

    Because the demographics are already going that way and every poll shows a majority in favour of UI in the case of no deal.

    Without brexit it could have taken more than 20 years, with no deal i would bet on a border poll in less than 10.


  • #8978
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I also think that the dup would love as much separation from ROI as possible and a hard border would achieve that. Unfortunately for them it would hasten the end of their little statelet.

    I predict a lot of them will end up as almost refugees in some sink estate in Glasgow rather than the “indignity” of living in a United ireland.


  • #8979
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,290 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Reminder that the EU floated a 21 month extension back in February. They have no issues with a longer extension if there is a change of course from the UK

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #8980
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    bilston wrote: »
    I don't think that's right. They are genuinely concerned about diluting Northern Ireland's position in the UK. I think they are fundamentally wrong, but I don't think they want a hard border. Apart from anything else a hard border will be very bad news for a lot of their voters.

    This isn’t about sensible pragmatism or economy. This is about ideology and one upmanship. So long as NI is further distanced from the south it’s all they want


  • #8981
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    bilston wrote: »
    Apart from anything else a hard border will be very bad news for a lot of their voters.

    They care about nothing more than beating the "taigs" even if it means shooting themselves in the head at the same time


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  • #8982
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    The sooner the likes of Dodds and Wilson etc are relegated back to their appropriate level of back bench irrelevancy the better


  • #8983
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Deleted User wrote:
    Maybe so as for the causes of the troubles, but the anger of border communities will be against any physical infrastructure and those who operate it.

    They'll be no different to sections of society angry at the current housing situation or the state of the HSE.

    They certainly won't have a say in trade policy or national security and to think they will is up there with the dilusional type thinking of ERG/DUP.


  • #8984
    diggerdigger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭diggerdigger


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Reminder that the EU floated a 21 month extension back in February. They have no issues with a longer extension if there is a change of course from the UK

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal

    Not what they are signaling now. May 23rd is the max extension.


  • #8985
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Reminder that the EU floated a 21 month extension back in February. They have no issues with a longer extension if there is a change of course from the UK

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal

    Can't see how the HoC can agree to anything in the next two weeks that would give the EU reason to offer a long extension. There is also genuine anger now in the EU and I imagine some influential people are beginning to think about leaving them to twist in the wind.


  • #8986
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Sky news guy must be reading my posts.


  • #8987
    Havockk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Havockk


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Reminder that the EU floated a 21 month extension back in February. They have no issues with a longer extension if there is a change of course from the UK

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal

    Need a WA though. No chance witout.


  • #8988
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭Infini


    Headshot wrote: »
    well i'm shocked, shocked I say...........

    What a horrible bunch to do this to to their own country which voted to say in the EU.

    They are really nasty pieces of work

    To be honest it's why I'd refer to them as the Dumbáss Unionist Party: That whole organization is proven more each day how utterly unfit for any sort of government that they are: They'll put their narrow minded tunnel vision of never, never, never before the good of their own province yet alone their own country. The BBC reported how they didn't even do research before the referendum how it would affect NI before deciding their decision, the cash for ash scandal, Sammy Shítstirrers "send em to the chippy" comment, the mysterious Brexit campaign funding, I mean how on earth do people up the North Still justify electing these fools to represent them when they're clearly incompetent and reek of corruption.

    Not like the Ulster Unionist Party is exactly better but the stench of corruption from the DUP from all the information we see here is nauseating. They're literally pushing a policy that's going to backfire spetacularly on them if a Hard Brexit happens as NI will take the worst of it and when you take thing's away from people suddenly and all at once SF will literally be waiting to pounce on them with a UI which is not only a clear OUT from the Brexit fiasco but a way back into the EU with funding, oppertunities and JOBS to boot!


  • #8989
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,847 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    That Spellman-Dromey Motion, dropping the second part of the motion, was flagged as an obvious amendment by the Sky Political Correspondent.


  • #8990
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The "moderate voice" of Northern Unionists died when UUP died.

    I often wonder why that was?

    Probabably similar to SDLP and SF.

    There is no Assembly up there and no hope of any agreement either between the sides. Terrible tribalism.


  • #8991
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    People in the North vote DUP as they are a genuine representation of what votes for them. It’s hard for us in the south to comprehend but they are still fighting several wars up there


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  • #8992
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Can anyone explain how in the hell sterling is trading at 86 pence at the moment. Where is this confidence in a dying on it’s feet economy. Am I missing something as I would have forecast a parity (at least) scenario at this point in the ticking clock exit


  • #8993
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    dalyboy wrote: »
    Can anyone explain how in the hell sterling is trading at 86 pence at the moment. Where is this confidence in a dying on it’s feet economy. Am I missing something as I would have forecast a parity (at least) scenario at this point in the ticking clock exit

    Well it ain't over yet. Spot and forward.


  • #8994
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    seamus wrote: »
    The EU will not grant an extension beyond May 23rd. It really can't.

    It really can! See Akrasia's post above.

    TM says "we need more time, we're having another vote"
    EU says "21-months or more, and you'll have to hold EP elections"
    TM says "done"

    TM says to HoC "I had no choice, the EU made me do it"
    HoC says "rahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
    Speaker says "oooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddddaaaaaahhhhhhhh"
    Then everyone goes home and enjoys a few months of no Brexit.

    Incidentally, I'm delighted with my prediction last night on how today's vote would go! Spot on - I'm going to invest all my money in crypto tonight. :pac:


  • #8995
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The "moderate voice" of Northern Unionists died when UUP died.

    I often wonder why that was?

    Probabably similar to SDLP and SF.

    There is no Assembly up there and no hope of any agreement either between the sides. Terrible tribalism.

    Northern Ireland is a disaster since its inception. Any imaginary “country” based purely on a sectarian headcount is doomed to failure. It’ll never work, never did and with the demographic changes we are seeing it’s tottering on the brink. The election two years ago told the story, SF were within a hairs breath of DUP now.
    There’ll be a nationalist majority in Stormont very soon hence the DUP reticence and non interest in power sharing


  • #8996
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    dalyboy wrote: »
    Can anyone explain how in the hell sterling is trading at 86 pence at the moment. Where is this confidence in a dying on it’s feet economy. Am I missing something as I would have forecast a parity (at least) scenario at this point in the ticking clock exit

    None of the events of today are a shock the market has priced it in


  • #8997
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    road_high wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is a disaster since its inception. Any imaginary “country” based purely on a sectarian headcount is doomed to failure. It’ll never work, never did and with the demographic changes we are seeing it’s tottering on the brink. The election two years ago told the story, SF were within a hairs breath of DUP now.

    I cannot see any dividend for either of them. Will still be tribal and so divisive.

    But we are moving off topic.


  • #8998
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,970 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The "moderate voice" of Northern Unionists died when UUP died.

    The UUP retains a bigger membership than the DUP surreally.


  • #8999
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The "moderate voice" of Northern Unionists died when UUP died.

    I often wonder why that was?

    Probabably similar to SDLP and SF.

    There is no Assembly up there and no hope of any agreement either between the sides. Terrible tribalism.

    Except I don't remember Ken Maginnis, Davie Trimble, John Taylor or Jeffrey Donaldson being especially more moderate than the DUP at the time of the GFA.


  • #9000
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,290 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Havockk wrote: »
    Need a WA though. No chance witout.

    The EU will agree an extension for the purpose of holding a referendum and they will insist on the UK participation in the eu elections

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • #9001
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    L1011 wrote: »
    The UUP retains a bigger membership than the DUP surreally.

    Perhaps, but membership does not equal votes either. What are the UUP membership afraid of I wonder?


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