Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

tuxy · 12-03-2019 07:44PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Can we now please lobby Brussels to just tell them it over on the 29.03.2019 and put an end to it. Its like watching a dog chasing its bloody tail.

An extension may be in the best interest for Ireland, we can get everything in place while they continue to argue amongst themselves.
It may not be in the best interest of the EU as a whole though, there are other matters that are on hold that the EU could be working on right now.

Hurrache · 12-03-2019 07:45PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

How fuc ked are they lads?

Well this is the opinion of some members of the public, some eejit punter in Derby believes that the UK in the case of no deal automatically reverts to WTO rule which means their current trading agreements with the EU remain the staus quo and they may stay like that for years and years.

EKRIUQ · 12-03-2019 07:46PM

GM228 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1105531020575678466?s=19

Let there be no illusions here.

When the the ex Brexit minister believes that the transition will be there if there is no agreement what hope has the rest of the MP's in the house?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/99971/david-davis-criticised-over-brexit-transition-period-gaffe

RobbingBandit · 12-03-2019 07:47PM

Nice and Lisbon treaty be damned we as a nation deserved a say in any intrusion or disruption to our country backstop or whatever comes from this will have significant effects on everything be that travel or the prices of goods in shops we are in for a bumpy ride.

rubbledoubledo · 12-03-2019 07:48PM

adox wrote: »

Isn’t the most likely outcome that ultimately the UK will never leave?

Have to agree

Spanish Eyes · 12-03-2019 07:49PM

tuxy wrote: »

When they vote to prevent no deal tomorrow they will have no choice but to beg for an extension. It's up to the EU27 to decide, there is some possibility that Ireland and the Netherlands could convince the rest for some kind of extension to get our shipping and customs in order.

That's fair enough, but it does nothing for the situation in the UK either.

I'd guess even if there is an extension that France will just do what they always do best, and strike/go slow/work to rule at their ports for one reason or another. That'll show them.

josip · 12-03-2019 07:50PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Can we now please lobby Brussels to just tell them it over on the 29.03.2019 and put an end to it. Its like watching a dog chasing its bloody tail.

If it was a dog it would have been put it out of its misery a long time ago.
Maybe they need to outsource Brexit to China or India.

Professor Moriarty · 12-03-2019 07:50PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

That's fair enough, but it does nothing for the situation in the UK either.

I'd guess even if there is an extension that France will just do what they always do best, and strike/go slow/work to rule at their ports for one reason or another. That'll show them.

They did that already recently. Not pretty.

gooch2k9 · 12-03-2019 07:51PM

Could you imagine Labour with Starmer in charge? He would have demolished May week in week out at PMQs.

rob316 · 12-03-2019 07:53PM

There should be no extension, this uncertainty is causing havoc in the markets. Companies will refuse to invest in the UK until they know what's going on.

Thargor · 12-03-2019 07:56PM

Geoffrey Cox is such a cringing embarrassment the way he talks like that, he wants to be a "character" like Bercrow but he doesnt have the charisma or the acting ability to pull it off and just looks and sounds like a shout-y a$$.

Water John · 12-03-2019 07:57PM

UK will ask for an Ext of Art 50. This will lead to some tough negotiations. EU will demand a map.

Grieve absolutely nobbles both Cox and Mogg.

12-03-2019 07:57PM

JRM asking about a way of dismantling the agreement in the future to avoid the backstop. ModSNIP. No more insults please.

Inquitus · 12-03-2019 08:00PM

Got the popcorn, got the debate and vote on the TV, 150 vote loss predicted, then the HoC in utter chaos, what's not to like? Though hopefully this turns things in a better way for us, I am worried about a GE, Boris (or some other even worse Brexit loony) and a big Tory majority.

dresden8 · 12-03-2019 08:00PM

Barclay v. Good at the despatch box.

Professor Moriarty · 12-03-2019 08:00PM

The debate is surreal. Not one MP will be convinced either way. Just grandstanding and egotism.

Enzokk · 12-03-2019 08:01PM

AdamD wrote: »

JRM asking about a way of dismantling the agreement in the future to avoid the backstop. Really is a snake

What is that now about Article 62 of the Vienna Convention? It seems like JRM is suggesting to back the deal and then just drop it at their time of choosing using this. Seems like that would go down well with the EU if they did that.

Atlantic Dawn · 12-03-2019 08:02PM

dresden8 wrote: »

Barclay v. Good at the despatch box.

He can certainly work the altar.

Where are people watching this, I've BBC on, any recommendations for any better coverage?

gooch2k9 · 12-03-2019 08:02PM

Enzokk wrote: »

What is that now about Article 62 of the Vienna Convention? It seems like JRM is suggesting to back the deal and then just drop it at their time of choosing using this. Seems like that would go down well with the EU if they did that.

He asked Cox what the consequences would be if they just ignored their obligations to the backstop. Not deserving of his "Honorable" title.

Professor Moriarty · 12-03-2019 08:02PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We can certainly work the altar.

Where are people watching this, I've BBC on, any recommendations for any better coverage?

Sky News.

gooch2k9 · 12-03-2019 08:03PM

DUP abstaining? They haven't moved yet.

EDIT: Nope there they go.

lawred2 · 12-03-2019 08:04PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

DUP abstaining? They haven't moved yet.

they said they were voting against it - haven't heard anything about abstaining

An Ciarraioch · 12-03-2019 08:10PM

Bizarrely, DD voted Aye.

Frank Bullitt · 12-03-2019 08:11PM

https://twitter.com/HannahB4LiviMP/status/1105545999433510912

ancapailldorcha · 12-03-2019 08:12PM

Mod: No more one-liners please. Posts deleted.

briany · 12-03-2019 08:19PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Got the popcorn, got the debate and vote on the TV, 150 vote loss predicted, then the HoC in utter chaos, what's not to like? Though hopefully this turns things in a better way for us, I am worried about a GE, Boris (or some other even worse Brexit loony) and a big Tory majority.

How would a hard Brexiteer get to become the leader of the Tories and PM? Are there not enough MPs in the Tories who think Brexit is a bad idea to block his ascent? (e.g. Dominic Grieve).

Atlantic Dawn · 12-03-2019 08:20PM

I think this is going to be 100 plus of a margin for No.

Kiith · 12-03-2019 08:22PM

Some ERG changed their minds during the vote, but still going to be over 100 against.

Kiith · 12-03-2019 08:22PM

242-391 to No.

Professor Moriarty · 12-03-2019 08:22PM

Wow. 149.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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