Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Kermit.de.frog · 12-03-2019 05:28PM

Grieve to vote against

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1105504910601306112

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1105505917838282752

RobMc59 · 12-03-2019 05:31PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Grieve to vote against

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1105504910601306112

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1105505917838282752

Grieve is one of the few tories who speaks sense.

Infini · 12-03-2019 05:32PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sammy Wilson (who comes across as a glorified County Councilor way out of his depth in that interview) just confirmed DUP are not abstaining, they are voting against.

To be fair Sammy Shítstirrer isnt even worth listening to. He's a blatent prime example of the 3 I's that landed Britain in this mess: Idiocy, Ignorance and Ideology with a bit of Arrogance mixed in for good measure. Even more he represents the prime examples of how unfit the DUP is for any sort of government.

At this point if the agreements rejected again there should be only 2 options given: Abandon Brexit or Crash Out. Call their BS bluff and let these political idiots sink in the swamp of their own ignominy and stupidity. They want to turn their country into an Internet Meme let em go ahead and just wait it out until they eventually cop on or disintegrate altogether.

There's no point in arguing with these idiots in the end it's better to let em learn the hard way since they were given EVERY opportunity for an out.

Water John · 12-03-2019 05:34PM

115 have to change from No to Yes, not a chance. The numbers ATM look like 12 Con and 2 Lb. Would think the ERG have about 60 votes who will decide at a meeting at 5 o'clock. They might let everyone vote as they wish, without a recommendation, esp if they have internal differences.

J Mysterio · 12-03-2019 05:36PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

I've been waiting for it to "tumble" below 1.15 for two months, preferably down to about 1.12-1.10. That's my starting point.

Starting point for what... Are you going to invest

Synode · 12-03-2019 05:40PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Starting point for what... Are you going to invest

Can't speak for that poster but if it gets to 0.95 i'll buy sterling and head North to make some large purchases

Leroy42 · 12-03-2019 05:42PM

I just spotted this nugget from the Guardian Live feed on the HoC TM speech today

First, she said the government would legislate to give the Northern Ireland assembly a say on whether the backstop gets brought into force if new border arrangements are not ready by 2020. If Stormont opposed the backstop, ministers would have to extend the transition instead.

So if they cannot agree a deal at any point prior to the start of a backstop, we could, technically see SF having the final say on whether the UK stays within the EU or not?

I mean, even taking out SF, she is saying that NI will have the final say on whether the UK leaves the EU in terms of transition. That is simply mental.

VinLieger · 12-03-2019 05:42PM

Synode wrote: »

Can't speak for that poster but if it gets to 0.95 i'll buy sterling and head North to make some large purchases

Your assuming any shops will still be open if it hits 0.95

Imreoir2 · 12-03-2019 05:43PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That makes a very big assumption that the South isn't decimated too by a hard Brexit. There is a possibility that we would be hit even harder than NI, particularly as we are falling from a higher baseline.

Thats a rather meaningless statement, yes there is a possibility, but very very little probability that we would be hit anything near as hard as NI.

Adamcp898 · 12-03-2019 05:44PM

Synode wrote: »

Can't speak for that poster but if it gets to 0.95 i'll buy sterling and head North to make some large purchases

You're assuming that you'd even be allowed over the border with euros if the rate ever hit that :pac:

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 05:44PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Thats a rather meaningless statement, yes there is a possibility, but very very little probability that we would be hit anything near as hard as NI.

And we will/can recover because we are still part of a strong union. The UK and NI will struggle for a long time to recover.

Synode · 12-03-2019 05:48PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Your assuming any shops will still be open if it hits 0.95

They'll be open alright. Got my last IMac up there in 08 or 09 when sterling weakened considerably.

Adamcp898 wrote: »

You're assuming that you'd even be allowed over the border with euros if the rate ever hit that :pac:

Revolut is the way forward these days

gooch2k9 · 12-03-2019 05:52PM

Synode wrote: »

They'll be open alright. Got my last IMac up there in 08 or 09 when sterling weakened considerably.

Revolut is the way forward these days

Be aware a lot of tech companies bumped prices 20% up after the referendum when sterling fell then. Wouldn't be surprising if they do the same if it drops further. It's actually better value to buy a OnePlus 6T in Ireland now for example.

Seems to be a lot of different groupings voting against this for a lot of different reasons. They need a tightly regulated referendum to settle this. Then they need to sort out their disfunctional political system. This parties within parties is ridiculous.

Seasoft · 12-03-2019 05:54PM

The objection to the backstop centered around parts of the UK being treated differently from the rest. TM's assertion to allow NI and only NI to have a say on the backstop in 2020 is treating part of the UK differently than the rest.
Pure hypocrisy.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-03-2019 05:57PM

Seasoft wrote: »

The objection to the backstop centered around parts of the UK being treated differently from the rest. TM's assertion to allow NI and only NI to have a say on the backstop in 2020 is treating part of the UK differently than the rest.
Pure hypocrisy.

The EU has not agreed to that.

Again it's the UK talking to itself.

First Up · 12-03-2019 05:57PM

Seasoft wrote:

The objection to the backstop centered around parts of the UK being treated differently from the rest. TM's assertion to allow NI and only NI to have a say on the backstop in 2020 is treating part of the UK differently than the rest. Pure hypocrisy.

Pure reality. It is different.

J Mysterio · 12-03-2019 05:58PM

Owen Patterson going on about 'consent' in NI, while calling for a No Deal Brexit. What a gimp.

Enzokk · 12-03-2019 06:00PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Corbyn continues to be a joke.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1105460280069443584

I agree that the polls look terrible for Labour and Corbyn, yet has the NHS been supported in the past 2 years? How has knife crime been going? How about wages for people? It will be easier for Labour to pivot no staying in the EU and starting to fix the problems in the UK through years of austerity than for the Tories who is all in on Brexit which will mean people are worse off.

If politicians believed the poll numbers they would have been agitating for an election already to enhance the Tory majority, the fact that they haven't should tell you something, whatever the polls say at the moment.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-03-2019 06:11PM

The thing about a lot of these Brexiteers is that it's not even about the UK - or a "sovereign" UK.

It's a deeper (I would describe as almost psychotic with some of them) anti EU agenda. They hate the EU.

I don't understand why even if you take in to account the EU deficiencies there is such hatred for it.

Hurrache · 12-03-2019 06:12PM

Did the DUP abstain or vote during the first meaningful vote? Surely if they're voting against it today then that's an end to their confidence and supply bribe?

gooch2k9 · 12-03-2019 06:13PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Did the DUP abstain or vote during the first meaningful vote? Surely if they're voting against it today then that's an end to their confidence and supply bribe?

They were against. Neither side will end the deal(C&S) so no it carries on. Ridiculous in the extreme.

J Mysterio · 12-03-2019 06:14PM

There's actually no one in the HOC? Are they all away plotting?

Hurrache · 12-03-2019 06:14PM

Enzokk wrote: »

I agree that the polls look terrible for Labour and Corbyn, yet has the NHS been supported in the past 2 years? How has knife crime been going? How about wages for people?

None of which has anything to do with Corbyn's epic incompetence of course.

MrMusician18 · 12-03-2019 06:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The thing about a lot of these Brexiteers is that it's not even about the UK - or a "sovereign" UK.

It's a deeper (I would describe as almost psychotic with some of them) anti EU agenda. They hate the EU.

I don't understand why even if you take in to account the EU deficiencies there is such hatred for it.

Indeed. The hate is visceral, consequently many of them wouldn't be able to tell you why they feel the way they do. Not with any logic anyway.

Hurrache · 12-03-2019 06:15PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

There's actually no one in the HOC? Are they all away plotting?

LOL, I literally tried counting the few that were there before the camera moved away from the wide shot. I got to 16 on one side anyway.

Frank Bullitt · 12-03-2019 06:20PM

What time is the vote at?

Headshot · 12-03-2019 06:22PM

Gintonious wrote: »

What time is the vote at?

7pm

First Up · 12-03-2019 06:22PM

Boris has had a haircut - his most significant contribution for quite some time. Might he be expecting May's resignation or another heave?

Itssoeasy · 12-03-2019 06:23PM

I've just seen a bit of Theresa May talking earlier in the HOC. Jaysus help us she sounded shook.

CelticRambler · 12-03-2019 06:24PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Starting point for what... Are you going to invest

My use of the phrase "starting point" was borrowed from Enzokk's response to my earlier post about Sky using a 24-hour time frame to illustrate the plunge in the value of sterling. This is only the same as [who was it? banned since] using comparisons with 10 years ago to show how the British economy is doing really well.

I last bought sterling at 1.10 (0.91) (Dec) and last sold it at 1.15 (0.87) (Feb). I have an English shopping trip planned for April so was hoping sterling would plunge in value before I go. Right now, if you ignore 24-hour spikes and troughs, it's been on a steady upward trend for the last three months.

jYvyrv96

So yes, there are some speculators gambling on Attorney General announcements and HoC meaningless votes, but overall, the currency markets have not reacted negatively to anything Westminster has done or said in the last three months. That could be taken to mean that the markets (taking their lead from the City of London?) don't believe there'll be a chaotic Brexit, that the TM will somehow get the WA approved by the 29th. I'm coming 'round to the idea that that's the same false confidence that was recently reported in the (UK) government's Brexit Impact Assessment. If that bubble bursts on the rock of a no-deal exit, there'll be hell to pay for British businesses.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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