Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

As TM and others are pitching up the blame game they should better have a look at home.

The Institute for Government, a well known think tank, just published a 70 page paper looking at the UK Home Office and it´s ability to manage immigration post Brexit. It comes to the conclusion that there have to be massive improvements not only in funding but in the organizations structure as well. In short, the Home Office is not fit for it´s job.

https://twitter.com/jl_owen/status/1103916195462307841?s=21

Ministers don’t know what they are trying to achieve. They can agree high level political rhetoric. But have failed to outline realistic objectives - for almost a decade

Then there is the issue of funding.

Firstly the Home Office fees are extortionate in comparison to many other countries. Why? Department wants immigration to be self funding.

But it’s a debate that’s never really been had.

We also look at scrutiny of immigration rules.

Theresa May as Home Secretary managed to:
Reduce non-EU migration by 100,000, increase some fees by 500%, prevent 40% of British wage earners from bringing spouse from overseas  

All without needing a vote in Parliament. Mad.

Write ups in the media connected to this paper:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/08/brexit-home-office-should-lose-its-immigration-duties?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immigration-policy-removed-home-office-brexit-a8812736.html

The full text:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/managing-migration-after-brexit

So TM already created a hostile environment for all foreigners. Not only by raising the costs to unreasonable heights but making it extremely difficult to get spouses and children into the country. Of course that’s a wanted result which leaves humanity wide behind. Wonder who will pick up field fruits the coming years.

Aah, i forgot, after a No deal exit there will be no farming left anyway. :rolleyes:

black forest wrote: »

Aah, i forgot, after a No deal exit there will be no farming left anyway. :rolleyes:

Not according to May just there in her speech, she said that CAP was not good for many farmers in the UK, implying that post Brexit they'll be in a better place.

Leroy42 wrote: »

She didn't vote against the deal, or at least I am not aware that she did, but she did vote for and whip for the Brady amendment which called for the WA to be reopened and alternative arrangements to be put in place of the backstop.

So she voted for a motion to change the deal.


Sounds like a vote against the deal on the table to me.

Laois_Man wrote: »

The very close 2016 referendum can't be re-ran - that would be undemocratic

But the HoC vote in January where Teresa may suffered the biggest ever defeat by a UK government is being re-run next week

Not hypocritical at all is it?

Nor apparently is the fact that she negotiated and agreed to a deal with the EU, which she has been trying to renegotiate and change ever since.

10000maniacs wrote: »

Classic stare off between the brilliant Will Self and Mark Francois on Politics Now today. Has to be seen to be appreciated. LOL.
Will Self made a comment that every racist and bigot voted for Brexit and Francois took it to mean that everyone who voted for Brexit is a bigot. Will and everyone else clarified it for Francois and the pair of them has a prolonged staring contest. Entertainment at its best.

Any video?

What station was it on?

SNIP. No more insults please.

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think the BBC bring in the low hanging Tory buffoons like Francois and Bridgen just for entertainment like this.
I didn't tape it Kermit. It will probably appear eventually.

Also a good exchange earlier between that young comedian and the tory over 2nd referendum issue. Problem with bbc is these guys get an all too easy ride unless you get a contrarian like self to take them on. Been a while since I’ve seen him on a beeb panel actually, hope it becomes a regular thing again.

"You called 17.4 million Racists and bigots because they voted to leave the EU"
"That's not what I said"
"That pretty close to what you said"

That sums up Francois. How he ever manages to get dressed in the morning never mind actually get people to vote for him is beyond me. If the guy can't even debate on things that were said 2 seconds before, how can anyone expect him to be able to debate Brexit.

VinLieger wrote: »

I wouldn't rely on the question time audience as a barometer, apparently the producer in charge of picking the audience whose name is allison fuller pedley has some UKIP and Britain First connections, the suspicion is she has been heavily stacking the seats with pro brexit people.

Ahh that explains it.

I always wondered how come there were so many gungho pro Brexit, leave in the morning make Britain great again, people in the audiences.

And here was me thinking they were a lot of thickos in Britain, much like a lot of their politicians.

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

‘I very much want to be out of Europe’

The cognitive dissonance of some people is beyond belief.



We have a large fishing fleet, so why can't we have a large presence for blinds and curtains? It's not like comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing fish with fabric!

Ahh Kilkeel.
Enough said.

janfebmar wrote: »

It is not a deal when both sides are not happy. The deal is clearly unfair to the smaller party (the UK), it is being bullied. In that case, no deal is better than a bad deal.

Right so lets tear up the old Anglo Irish Treaty then.


Funny how the Brits who foisted more actual unfair deals on peoples all around the world are now complaining about unfair deals.
Even when it is there own deal.

Fecking hell next thing you, like May, will be telling us is that someone wants to split the country.
Another thing the Brits never engaged in anywhere. :rolleyes:

BTW I take it you have never been divorced nor have had any friends/family divorced.

SNIP. No more quips please.

Leo unimpressed with May's pleas for the EU to offer up something
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1104021621550039040

Hurrache wrote: »

Leo unimpressed with May's pleas for the EU to offer up something
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1104021621550039040

Is he offering changes to the WA in return for something?


The WA is suppose to be closed.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is he offering changes to the WA in return for something?


The WA is suppose to be closed.

Clearly not. It's a rhetorical question. The UK want changes, his point is that they aren't offering anything for the changes they want.

It's just another way of saying she's wasting her time.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

More Mark Francois on Politics Live...

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1103998192859799552



Incidentally, he is ignoring his ERG compadre JRM who supported a second referendum.

Ohh god reading the twitter replies makes my brain hurt



"Me my family and friends wasn’t motivated to vote leave because of lies we was motivated to leave a super state project we was never asked to join"


"I didn't get to vote in the 70's - I've had to wait over 40 years to get my say so "back of queue" new voters and come back when you've had 40 year plus of a system you don't support."