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Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

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  • #782
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    How long would he last on Boards?


  • #783
    greencap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    Really weak reasoning to 'deplatform' him.

    but do they need a reason?

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

    😁



  • #784
    splashuum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    People defending twitter here are pretty embarrassing.


  • #785
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    After all these months, this is the best Twitter can come up to justify their removal of Jones from their platform:



    Really simple justification, harassing the Sandy Hook families. Think that's okay Pete?


  • #786
    PirateShampoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    pleas advice wrote: »
    How long would he last on Boards?

    About as long as anyone else with a strong opinion.


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  • #787
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    Alex Jones aside, that interview went very, very badly for twitter. Tim Pool absolutely tore them a new one and in a very calm manner.


  • #788
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    splashuum wrote: »
    People defending twitter here are pretty embarrassing.

    Facebook, Apple, Youtube, Spotify and Twitter have all banned him from their platforms with good reason, not that they need one, they are private platforms


  • #789
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Why is anyone surprised that Twitter has left wing bias?

    Dorsey admitted it months ago.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/08/19/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-admits-left-leaning-bias-says-it-doesnt-influence-company-policy/?utm_term=.91f6c5e40de1


  • #790
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Facebook, Apple, Youtube, Spotify and Twitter have all banned him from their platforms with good reason, not that they need one, they are private platforms

    The issue is more about freedom of speech than the policies of private platforms.

    Humans are generally quite good at deciding for themselves whether or not somebody's opinions are valid or not. We don't require the aid of others to make those decisions and to be honest the more out there opinions need to be aired publicly for all to see, hear and understand.

    Censorship isn't the answer, and those acting as apologists for it need to examine their own motivations.

    Freedom of speech should never be some a la carte style system where only certain individuals or groups get to voice their opinions, it just doesn't work.

    Glazers Out!



  • #791
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nullzero wrote: »
    The issue is more about freedom of speech than the policies of private platforms.

    Humans are generally quite good at deciding for themselves whether or not somebody's opinions are valid or not. We don't require the aid of others to make those decisions and to be honest the more out there opinions need to be aired publicly for all to see, hear and understand.

    Censorship isn't the answer, and those acting as apologists for it need to examine their own motivations.

    Freedom of speech should never be some a la carte style system where only certain individuals or groups get to voice their opinions, it just doesn't work.

    Freedom of speech and censorship do not apply to private platforms.


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  • #792
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Freedom of speech and censorship do not apply to private platforms.

    I appreciate that, but these platforms are in essence the de facto places people receive their information on the world these days and are a massive influence society at large. They have grown beyond the status of a typical private business.

    At the end of the day all deplatforming somebody like Alex Jones serves to do is harden the opinions of those who believe his ideas as it plays perfectly into the conspiratorial narrative. You are in essence proving their point for them.

    Alex Jones should be allowed on these platforms and the people can decide for themselves what to believe about him, as I recall very few people gave a damn about him outside of his following until he was deplatformed.

    Glazers Out!



  • #793
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nullzero wrote: »
    I appreciate that, but these platforms are in essence the de facto places people receive their information on the world these days and are massively influence society at large. They have grown beyond the status of a typical private business.

    At the end of the day all deplatforming somebody like Alex Jones serves to do is harden the opinions of those who believe his ideas as it plays perfectly into the conspiratorial narrative. You are in essence proving their point for them.

    Alex Jones should be allowed on these platforms and the people can decide for themselves what to believe about him, as I recall very few people gave a damn about him outside of his following until he was deplatformed.

    Platforms have a responsibility to protect themselves. Letting people like jones continue to spout their lies does not do that.


  • #794
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Facebook, Apple, Youtube, Spotify and Twitter have all banned him from their platforms with good reason, not that they need one, they are private platforms



    Yes nothing wrong with private companies telling us what we should think? I wonder how far this will go, how far we accept being told what is acceptable, what’s next.
     Very sinister indeed and what is more sinister is everyone defending and cheering it on.


    People actually using Orwellian language of “hate speech” to defend it.



    Sickening and frightening.


  • #795
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Platforms have a responsibility to protect themselves. Letting people like jones continue to spout their lies does not do that.

    So censorship is a good thing?

    Glazers Out!



  • #796
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »


    Yes nothing wrong with private companies telling us what we should think? I wonder how far this will go, how far we accept being told what is acceptable, what’s next.
     Very sinister indeed and what is more sinister is everyone defending and cheering it on.


    People actually using Orwellian language of “hate speech” to defend it.



    Sickening and frightening.

    Nobody is telling you what to think.


  • #797
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Platforms have a responsibility to protect themselves. Letting people like jones continue to spout their lies does not do that.

    Also, Jones endangered Sandy Hook families via his particularly vile conspiracies about them. The ones affected are regularly changing address because of them.


  • #798
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nullzero wrote: »
    So censorship is a good thing?

    Censorhip does not apply to private platforms. I thought we had already established that?
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Freedom of speech and censorship do not apply to private platforms.
    nullzero wrote: »
    I appreciate that, but these platforms are in essence the de facto places people receive their information on the world these days and are a massive influence society at large. They have grown beyond the status of a typical private business.


  • #799
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Has anyone been to infowars? Do threads criticising connman Jones last long?


  • #800
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Censorhip does not apply to private platforms. I thought we had already established that?

    But their actions amount to censorship.
    I thought that had been established, or do you prefer to filter out the things that don't suit you?

    Glazers Out!



  • #801
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Ipso wrote: »
    Has anyone been to infowars? Do threads criticising connman Jones last long?

    About as long as the smell of a fart during a hurricane.


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  • #802
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nullzero wrote: »
    But their actions amount to censorship.
    I thought that had been established, or do you prefer to filter out the things that don't suit you?

    I prefer to use words with their correct meaning.


  • #803
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    nullzero wrote: »
    But their actions amount to censorship.
    I thought that had been established, or do you prefer to filter out the things that don't suit you?

    They don't. You can keep saying they do but he's perfectly free to host content himself. Which he does.


  • #804
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    About as long as the smell of a fart during a hurricane.

    You mean they’re CENSORED. Horrible stuff, people being told what to think.


  • #805
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Freedom of speech and censorship do not apply to private platforms.


    The issue is that these platforms are huge monopolies used for world wide communication, so it's a tad more complicated than them to be considered "just" private companies.


  • #806
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Venom wrote: »
    The issue is that these platforms are huge monopolies used for world wide communication, so it's a tad more complicated than them to be considered "just" private companies.

    There is nothing stopping anybody creating their own platform. twitter, fb, youtube et al did not appear fully formed.


  • #807
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    batgoat wrote: »
    They don't. You can keep saying they do but he's perfectly free to host content himself. Which he does.

    More people are talking about Alex Jones since he was deplatformed than had even heard of him beforehand.

    There are oddles of people spouting dangerous libelous nonsense online and a guy who has nervous breakdowns on his conspiracy radio show needs to be deplatformed whilst other continue talking nonsense.

    The whole thing is laughable, and what's more laughable is the people celebrating it.

    Glazers Out!



  • #808
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I prefer to use words with their correct meaning.

    Well I like being capable of understanding context, you might want to give it a go.

    Glazers Out!



  • #809
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Venom wrote: »
    The issue is that these platforms are huge monopolies used for world wide communication, so it's a tad more complicated than them to be considered "just" private companies.

    And they rely on attracting other customers, who may not want to be linked to someone who is insane/a con man.
    So instead if it being censorship it could just be a business decision.


  • #810
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nullzero wrote: »
    More people are talking about Alex Jones since he was deplatformed than had even heard of him beforehand.

    There are oddles of people spouting dangerous libelous nonsense online and a guy who has nervous breakdowns on his conspiracy radio show needs to be deplatformed whilst other continue talking nonsense.

    The whole thing is laughable, and what's more laughable is the people celebrating it.

    Jones claimed after he was banned that the whole thing was just a schtick. Are these others you talk about responsible for victims of a tragedy being harrassed in real life?


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  • #811
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    There is nothing stopping anybody creating their own platform. twitter, fb, youtube et al did not appear fully formed.


    The likes of Twitter, Facebook and Google have so much money behind them now, that they just buy up any competition before it has a chance to grow. Then there are the few platforms like Gab and Minds that don't sell out but start getting screwed over by payment processors.


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