Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

Kermit.de.frog

http://www.fox10tv.com/story/38822431/youtube-apple-and-facebook-remove-content-from-infowars-and-alex-jones

The lunatic has been removed from the asylum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH4WF-JUdR4

soups05

its a shame, he was bat**** crazy but funny as hell.

P_1

Have to say I'm not a fan of no platforming. Irrespective of how abhorrent you may find someone's opinions its better to leave them in the open and open to public scrutiny and ridicule. As was mentioned in another thread its shït like this that will get the Orange Buffoon reelected in 2020.

vetinari

He's already been elected once thanks to loons like this.
Carrying him on your platform is an implicit endorsement of him.

P_1

vetinari wrote: »

He's already been elected once thanks to loons like this.
Carrying him on your platform is an implicit endorsement of him.

No it isn't and I wish others on the left would realise this.

flookdgates

P_1 wrote: »

Have to say I'm not a fan of no platforming. Irrespective of how abhorrent you may find someone's opinions.

How do you feel about Boards' trigger happy attitude to bans? I think someone did the calculations once and the number of banned users is in the tens of thousands.

Mitch Connor

P_1 wrote: »

No it isn't and I wish others on the left would realise this.

Yes it is. When you have rules against hate speech, and you allow his sh1t you are saying it is not hate speech, that it is valid discourse.

P_1

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yes it is. When you have rules against hate speech, and you allow his sh1t you are saying it is not hate speech, that it is valid discourse.

I guess we differ philosophically as to how hate speech is dealt with. Personally I think it's better to have it out in the open, mocked and ridiculed lest we have something of a Streisland Effect happening and it become a more ingrained attitude among wider society. I'm guessing you feel that having it out in the open would make it more ingrained among wider society?

Canis Lupus

P_1 wrote: »

Have to say I'm not a fan of no platforming. Irrespective of how abhorrent you may find someone's opinions its better to leave them in the open and open to public scrutiny and ridicule. As was mentioned in another thread its shït like this that will get the Orange Buffoon reelected in 2020.

Ultimately the platforms are privately owned and as such it's their call.

alchemist33

flookdgates wrote: »

How do you feel about Boards' trigger happy attitude to bans? I think someone did the calculations once and the number of banned users is in the tens of thousands.

Banned accounts, maybe. Banned users, considerably less.

Wanderer78

Canis Lupus wrote:

Ultimately the platforms are privately owned and as such it's their call.

Is this a good thing for freedom of speech?

Fann Linn

Never heard of him before now.

Wanderer78

Fann Linn wrote:

Never heard of him before now.

Save yourself the time and energy, and don't bother

Ipso

Fann Linn wrote: »

Never heard of him before now.

Best described as free range mental ilness.

Canis Lupus

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is this a good thing for freedom of speech?

I couldn't really care tbh. If a private company doesn't want to host his content that's their call and frankly it's none of my business. You have an issue with it then complain to the company or complain with your wallet and don't use their services.

super_furry

The gas thing about Alex Jones is that it's all a performance. He knows that the horrible things he's saying are lies, he knows that it's all nonsense but his audience eats it all up, he sells snake-oil food supplements that claim they'll improve your IQ and he's become a multi-millionaire off the back of it all.

Ipso

super_furry wrote: »

The gas thing about Alex Jones is that it's all a performance. He knows that the horrible things he's saying are lies, he knows that it's all nonsense but his audience eats it all up, he sells snake-oil food supplements that claim they'll improve your IQ and he's become a multi-millionaire off the back of it all.

I don’t think it’s all an act, the lughts are on but there’s no one home.

Brian?

Ipso wrote: »

I don’t think it’s all an act, the lughts are on but there’s no one home.

It’s either an incredibly clever act to all supplements or he’s insane enough to believe the nonsense he spouts to sell supplements. Either way he’s a supplement salesman primarily.

I honestly think it’s an act. It’s a classic snake oil salesmen act.

facehugger99

Is he the bass player in Blur?

sexmag

Brian? wrote: »

It’s either an incredibly clever act to all supplements or he’s insane enough to believe the nonsense he spouts to sell supplements. Either way he’s a supplement salesman primarily.

I honestly think it’s an act. It’s a classic snake oil salesmen act.

It's an act, his lawyer called it "a performance art" to try and stop his ex from stopping him seeing his kids because he's bat sh!t.

Either way I don't agree with censoring but privately owned comps is can do what they like

super_furry

I miss when all the conspiracy theory people were into UFOs, aliens and shapeshifters rather than imaginary pizza paedophiles.

At least we still have David Icke I suppose.

razorblunt

Deserved for their stance on Sandy Hook alone.

Yer man Paul Watson will never leave his mam's house at this rate now.

B0jangles

Read up on the effect Alex Jones' 'freedom of speech' has had on people like the parents of the little kids murdered at Sandy Hook, and explain how his right to be become a millionaire by making up scurrilous lies is more important than their right to live in their own homes or visit their child's f*cking grave.

De La Rosa and Leonard Pozner have moved seven times since their son was killed in a school shooting in an effort to avoid the continuous death threats and other harassment. They now live hundreds of miles from Noah's grave.

“I would love to go see my son’s grave and I don’t get to do that," De La Rosa told The Times.

https://www.bustle.com/p/these-sandy-hook-parents-cant-even-visit-their-sons-grave-because-of-harassment-9958926


Alex Jones is a poisonous wart and his defenders are morons.

Malayalam

Don't like him, what little I have listened to. Or Stefan Molyneaux. Or people of that ilk. If only because they are completely predictable and boring. Deplatforming Jones, however, is insidious. The amount of violence and crude banality and mindless loopiness that these platforms host is insane - so it's not a righteous reaction to hate speech, or anything like it. It is simply the elimination of popular 'opposition' channels. Censorship. Propaganda.
Silicon valley - which is a very, very weird place under the covers - will decide from now on what people are allowed to hear. To even hear. That's dangerous. But at least if people know now there is active technocratic censorship and permitted thought, maybe that will be useful.

Bob24

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I couldn't really care tbh. If a private company doesn't want to host his content that's their call and frankly it's none of my business. You have an issue with it then complain to the company or complain with your wallet and don't use their services.

The thing is it is not *a* private company. The whole Silicon Valley (which controls a large part of what content people see and access) seems to be banning him except from Twitter (for now).

Now I never heard of the guy before and won’t comment on him specifically. But when you have a couple of corporations which collectively have the power to decide who has access to a large audience and start collectively using that power to all censor the same voices, in my view it is a very dangerous path. I understand those are private entities who can decide what to include or not on their platforms, but being fair and balanced with these things is very hard as hate speech can be a matter of opinion and it is arguably easy to point at a lot of other equally hateful speech on those platforms which is not being banned. They could therefore eventually - and possibly rightly - appear as using hate speech as an excuse to censor content based on their political agenda (which they have for the most part managed to avoid for now: everyone knows there is a strong libertarian/liberal political bias in these companies but there hasn’t been very widespread criticism of this influencing access to the platform to date).

Captain Obvious

soups05 wrote: »

its a shame, he was bat**** crazy but funny as hell.

I'd imagine the parents of the Sandy hook kids didn't think so. Didn't they receive threats from people as a result of his show?

ArchXStanton

He'll be missed for the laugh if anything else always thought he had an uncanny resemblance physically and mentally to that other nutjob,Fedsmoker,who roams the Midwest american towns in his mad max style mobile taking down one dirty cop at a time,same mental issues I would suspect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSNZXgHqn4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX92P-efeKs

super_furry

If you want a proper conspiracy theory get your teeth stuck in the Bill Hicks didn't die and is actually Alex Jones one - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d7evqv/digging-deep-into-the-only-conspiracy-alex-jones-doesnt-like

ancapailldorcha

An utterly depraved and disgusting individual. I'm disappointed that Facebook, Youtube and Apple took so long to do this but better late than never I suppose.

pleas advice

facehugger99 wrote: »

Is he the bass player in Blur?

No, Thats Alex James.

This is the guy who sang Walking in the Air

super_furry

pleas advice wrote: »

No, Thats Alex James.

This is the guy who sang Walking in the Air

No, that's Aled Jones.

This is the Australian former Formula One driver.

Malayalam

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

An utterly depraved and disgusting individual. I'm disappointed that Facebook, Youtube and Apple took so long to do this but better late than never I suppose.

Given that youtube hosts beheading videos and videos from extremist Imams inciting hatred I'd say Jones is fairly low down the pecking order of depravity and being disgusting on corporate bandwidth. Not to mention the mind numbing inanity of what constitutes the bulk of content on all these platforms.

ancapailldorcha

Malayalam wrote: »

Given that youtube hosts beheading videos and videos from extremist Imams inciting hatred I'd say Jones is fairly low down the pecking order of depravity and being disgusting on corporate bandwidth. Not to mention the mind numbing inanity of what constitutes the bulk of content on all these platforms.

But it's actively harmful. Look at what happened to the parents of the Sandy Hook massacre. They're grieving for the loss of their children and this scum says they're faking it and they get subsequently abused.

Malayalam

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

But it's actively harmful. Look at what happened to the parents of the Sandy Hook massacre. They're grieving for the loss of their children and this scum says they're faking it and they get subsequently abused.

Thankfully I have honestly never listened to him and have only seen inserts of him in other videos where he always looks on the verge of stroking out. For that reason alone it would make me feel uncomfortable watching him. But it is better to have free speech where ideas can be exposed and die in the face of ridicule rather than drive movements underground where they gather the unjustified allure of being brave and revolutionary

mad muffin

How is he going to fund his Acid Hous DJing now?

Captain Obvious

Malayalam wrote: »

Given that youtube hosts beheading videos and videos from extremist Imams inciting hatred I'd say Jones is fairly low down the pecking order of depravity and being disgusting on corporate bandwidth. Not to mention the mind numbing inanity of what constitutes the bulk of content on all these platforms.

I'm pretty sure Youtue are very active in taking down videos that are reported to them. This is their policy in relation to violent content.

It’s not okay to post violent or gory content that’s primarily intended to be shocking, sensational, or gratuitous. If a video is particularly graphic or disturbing, it should be balanced with additional context and information.If posting graphic content in a news, documentary, scientific, or artistic context, please be mindful to provide enough information to help people understand what's going on. In some cases, content may be so violent or shocking that no amount of context will allow that content to remain on our platforms. Lastly, don't encourage others to commit specific acts of violence.

They are by no means a perfect company but they don't allow extremist content for the hell of it, only journalism or educational purpose and it must be placed in context.


The only surprising thing about Alex Jones is how long it took to remove him.

The_Kew_Tour

The man is a mental case. A rich one I guess but boy if he was my father or brother or related I move country and change name. Just one ****ed up guy

Malayalam

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Youtue are very active in taking down videos that are reported to them. This is their policy in relation to violent content.





They are by no means a perfect company but they don't allow extremist content for the hell of it, only journalism or educational purpose and it must be placed in context.


The only surprising thing about Alex Jones is how long it took to remove him.

Companies like that already have the algorithms to respond quickly to content. It's not that they are beavering away keeping content up to any standards, they simply are not. These places are awash with idiocy. This was a politically motivated decision to censor alternative thought....maybe to whitewash themselves after sinister debacles like Cambridge Analytica. Meh, overall I don't care, my viewing material won't be affected, but I do believe it lays down precedent that may at a future time censor opinions that I find perfectly valid for consideration

super_furry

Malayalam wrote: »

But it is better to have free speech where ideas can be exposed and die in the face of ridicule rather than drive movements underground where they gather the unjustified allure of being brave and revolutionary

And honestly that was how it used to go. Everyone either ignored or laughed at Alex Jones, I even used to listen on occassion to hear what bat-**** kind of stuff he was saying.

But something changed two or three years ago. He started going after innocent people and the families of the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre in particular. It was targeted harassment, he said the whole thing was staged and that the grieving families were actors. He went after them and sent his listeners after them.

As a result the families of those murdered began to get death threats, began to get stalkers following them, had to stop going to their children's graves because of the harassment they're getting.

It's targeted harassment of grieving families and it's putting them in mortal danger.

It's really worth ready just what they went through https://www.bustle.com/p/these-sandy-hook-parents-cant-even-visit-their-sons-grave-because-of-harassment-9958926

listermint

P_1 wrote: »

Have to say I'm not a fan of no platforming. Irrespective of how abhorrent you may find someone's opinions its better to leave them in the open and open to public scrutiny and ridicule. As was mentioned in another thread its shït like this that will get the Orange Buffoon reelected in 2020.

Trump has no chance of re-election in 2020 so let's put that to the side.


As soon as clowns like Jones and his minority support of racists with abusive racial views can afford to run a platform to showcase their own views and they get sponsors willing to pay for it all then let them have at it. Until then it's not up to private companies or anyone to give them a platform to do so.

This line that everyone deserves their opinion aired is what caused trump to get in in the first place nothing else

Not everyone deserves a platform for their views just because they have views.

I disagree with your contorting of the freedom of speech to mean people should be allowed to say what they like on all means of media.

Hande hoche!

This will make poor Alex redder and angrier. Like one of his supplements.

listermint wrote: »

Trump has no chance of re-election in 2020 so let's put that to the side.

Similar sentiment was said about his electoral chances in 2016. Wouldn't write him off

Franz Von Peppercorn

listermint wrote: »

Trump has no chance of re-election in 2020 so let's put that to the side

He had no chance last time either.

Keepaneye

Wonder will he get a job with the New York Times?

Bob24

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

He had no chance last time either.

This. Anyone who genuinely thinks he has no chance of reelection is still living in the same social/media bubble they were living in 2 years ago and needs more exposure to the outside world.

Hande hoche!

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

He had no chance last time either.

https://twitter.com/theonion/status/681263624455860228?lang=en

suicide_circus

Keepaneye wrote: »

Wonder will he get a job with the New York Times?

After all, it's just satire

Keepaneye

suicide_circus wrote: »

After all, it's just satire

And durrrr alt right serious men.

suicide_circus

I'm glad the benevolent censorial policies of the internet media monopolies are there to keep my little mind safe from wrong-think.

ohnonotgmail

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'm glad the benevolent censorial policies of the internet media monopolies are there to keep my little mind safe from wrong-think.

Its good to know that you are happy to give a platform to a man who has made the lives of the victims of sandy hook a misery.

Ulysses Gaze

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Its good to know that you are happy to give a platform to a man who has made the lives of the victims of sandy hook a misery.

Do you believe that the Left Wing Momentum organisation should be silenced online?

After all, their members have harrassed Jewish Labour MPs and issued death threats and vile abuse to Labour MPs that do not support Corbyn wholeheartedly.

My question is, where do you stop?

suicide_circus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Its good to know that you are happy to give a platform to a man who has made the lives of the victims of sandy hook a misery.

I'm pretty sure the shooter made their lives a misery.
in any case I don't consume Alex Jones' content and I also don't believe for one second that YouTube give two fcuks about the parents of Sandy Hook victims.