Your pension is destroying the planet

04-03-2019 05:16PM

xckjoo wrote: »

Is this thread for real?

We're only pawns in his game.

xckjoo · 04-03-2019 05:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We're only pawns in a game.

If only some woke person would show us the error of our ways

Del2005 · 04-03-2019 06:41PM

evolving_doors wrote: »

Ok so rule out airlines. Gotcha.

How about pharmaceutical companies helping us to live better and longer?

The problem is over population. So to protect humans still being able to survive on Earth the obvious ethical opinion is to invest in companies which reduce the population not increase it. So big tobacco, oil and military are good and life saving companies are bad.

Plumbthedepths · 04-03-2019 06:54PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote:

Congrats! Your helping to destroy the planet! And not only that, you're being ripped off along the way

Your hat is on too tight ...

topper75 · 04-03-2019 06:54PM

Average male life expectancy is 78. My gen may retire at 68 (rising).

So you give up a pile of money now from the years where you are functioning reasonably well to some glorified bookie's runner who wears a suit while pointing at barcharts he put in a Powerpoint pres - in order that you may get it back to 'enjoy' in a ten-year period way down the line in which you may be wearing nappies and ringing a bell for a nurse, have dementia, or have a ****ed back. Some deal.

I've worked out my own personal alternative - work as far as I can and enjoy every penny while I can. And when I can't, plenty of tall cliffs about.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz · 04-03-2019 06:58PM

Del2005 wrote: »

The madness is overpopulation but no one is willing to pay the price to solve it.

Cannibalism is the solution to world overpopulation and world hunger.

Signore Fancy Pants · 04-03-2019 06:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're only pawns in his game.

Speak for yourself, I'm a Prawn.

04-03-2019 06:59PM

damn, this eldon maxbank kid is really gon shake em all up with that list. number 2 is a real votewinner.

i bet his detail is great. cant wait to see what he drops next.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 07:01PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

1 - Let's not have a system where everyone funds the destruction of the planet, the raping of the third world and the proliferation of war.

2 - Now we're at a good stage. Let's get together and discuss. I propose a radical overhaul of the global economy to one for people rather than for the current madness. No reason the government in this system couldn't be the one that provides for people from cradle to grave.

Neeed to look at the root not the branch. Get rid of humans or at least reduce the human population through reduction to approx half it's current level.

Problem solved.

evolving_doors · 04-03-2019 07:31PM

Del2005 wrote: »

The problem is over population. So to protect humans still being able to survive on Earth the obvious ethical opinion is to invest in companies which reduce the population not increase it. So big tobacco, oil and military are good and life saving companies are bad.

over population isn't a problem. Waste of resources is, it takes thousands of litres of water to raise 1 cow or beef... and all the emissions that come with it.
then there's all the tat from China for adults and Kids to play with and throw away after a year or so.

Plenty nuff resources for the planet, just people doing the dog on it.

Population will settle at 11bn eventually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

gozunda · 04-03-2019 07:45PM

evolving_doors wrote: »

over population isn't a problem. ...

Population will settle at 11bn eventually

Oh yes it is. 11 billion humans even accessing just basic needs is completely out of sync with earths ecosystems and likelihood of other species survival.

No 1 issue in relation to the environment after the pure mass of teeming humanity is the use of fossil fuels and transport.

We're not even at 11 billion and we've already seriously messed up the environment. China with a population of over 1.386 billion is one of the biggest polluters on the planet and the aim is to increase their standard of living.

At present China and India are some of the worlds most populous countries and amongst the largest carbon dioxide emitters.

We're fooked....

04-03-2019 07:56PM

I can't understand why the OP is singling-out pension investments. What do you think your money is doing in the bank, sitting in a vault with your name on it, waiting for you to withdraw it?

Part of any banks income stream is from the bank investing in stocks and bonds as an institutional investor in its own right (as distinct from mutual funds investments).

I can't think of any ethical way of investing which won't, ultimately, support causes and organisations which you would consider harmful.

Ted Johnson · 04-03-2019 08:00PM

Thank God I've a got public sector pension! Phew.

wexandproud · 04-03-2019 08:04PM

i think before this thread goes any further , the OP should clarify if its going to be about saving the planet or saving for retirement . just so we'll know before anybody gets in too deep

bazz26 · 04-03-2019 08:17PM

Monday seems to be a good day for trolling on AH.

razorblunt · 04-03-2019 08:26PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Hands up who has any idea what's in their pension. I encourage everyone foolish enough to have one to go and examine it closely. What 99% of people will find is

a) you're being screwed on fees by the provider
b) there might be a company appointed "financial advisor" taking a bit of your pie for absolutely nothing
c) that your investments are in companies making weapons of war, energy companies destroying the planet, big tobacco and big pharma etc etc

Congrats! Your helping to destroy the planet! And not only that, you're being ripped off along the way

This madness has got to stop. How can someone contribute to this is amazing to me. We all need to make a stand and stop greasing the wheels of this destruction.

a) I'm not.
b) There isn't.
c) They don't.

rgodard80a · 04-03-2019 08:28PM

Pensions are not killing the planet, capitalism is.

The selfish pursuit of profit due to the legal obligation to shareholders.

kneemos · 04-03-2019 08:36PM

Del2005 wrote: »

It's a very big assumption that people are destroying the planet. Humans are having an impact but the Earth will still be here long after any trace of humans ever existing has disappeared.

The madness is overpopulation but no one is willing to pay the price to solve it.

Progress is the way to solve overpopulation. The developed world has a declining birth rate.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1 · 04-03-2019 09:02PM

razorblunt wrote: »

c) They don't.

Care to share what fund etc yours is invested in then?

I love the attacks on me from various posts. Look I don't have the answers, that's something we as a society need to address. But shovelling money into Shoot Brown People Inc. and Oil Spills'r'us isn't the answer. I suspect you all know it's evil and I geddit, it's hard to deal with. But we need to be honest with each other.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1 · 04-03-2019 09:03PM

wexandproud wrote: »

i think before this thread goes any further , the OP should clarify if its going to be about saving the planet or saving for retirement . just so we'll know before anybody gets in too deep

Countless generations of humans managed to live their lives without destorying the planet for their children. We're the abnormality, the wrong ones.

Destory capitalism, not the planet. Get rid of your pensions and "invest" in local ground level political action aimed at overthrowing the current order.

Autosport · 04-03-2019 09:25PM

If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have bothered starting a pension. Is it too late for me

I'm only in the pension 15 years

ohfa6muwtsvkc1 · 04-03-2019 09:35PM

Autosport wrote: »

If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have bothered starting a pension. Is it too late for me I'm only in the pension 15 years

Stop contributing to it.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 10:01PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Countless generations of humans managed to live their lives without destorying the planet for their children. We're the abnormality, the wrong ones.

Destory capitalism, not the planet. Get rid of your pensions and "invest" in local ground level political action aimed at overthrowing the current order.

Haha I knew there was a ideology in there somewhere. Communism interstingly enough is just as bad if not worse for the environment. See Russia's industrial expansion during the cold war era. Concerns about the 'planet' didn't get a look in sideways tbh. Today China is the number one emitter of carbon dioxide worldwide.

Humans have always had a detrimental impact on their environment throughout history. The difference now is that the total mass of humanity is insatiable with regard to the use of existing resources.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1 · 04-03-2019 10:03PM

China has a sixth (seventh?) of the population of the planet and are industrialising in a massive scale. hardly surprising they're number one. And they're hardly communist.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 10:09PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

China has a sixth (seventh?) of the population of the planet and are industrialising in a massive scale. hardly surprising they're number one. And they're hardly communist.

Yup there are and itcwouod appear they are hell bent on overtaking the rest of the planet. I didn't say they are now communist either. Afaik they are listed as a socialist political system. And that's not particularly environmentally friendly either ...

Badly Drunk Boy · 04-03-2019 10:29PM

Lilliana Salmon Socialism wrote: »

Cannibalism is the solution to world overpopulation and world hunger.

Jonathan Swift, author of Gulliver's Travels, had that idea too, in A Modest Proposal, nearly 300 years ago. We could modify the idea for all round the world, and not just for Ireland.

A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Poor People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick, commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. The essay suggests that the impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for rich gentlemen and ladies. This satirical hyperbole mocked heartless attitudes towards the poor, as well as British policy toward the Irish in general.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 04-03-2019 10:34PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Care to share what fund etc yours is invested in then?

I love the attacks on me from various posts. Look I don't have the answers, that's something we as a society need to address. But shovelling money into Shoot Brown People Inc. and Oil Spills'r'us isn't the answer. I suspect you all know it's evil and I geddit, it's hard to deal with. But we need to be honest with each other.

I’ll be honest with you Eldon, my pension isn’t in oil or weapons. How do I know you will ask? I’ll be honest with you Eldon, I do know.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 04-03-2019 10:42PM

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Government based solution?

A return to the family being the main source of support for the eldery, in conjunction with the gov? Like Asian countries continue to do.

We could fund this by taxation which would come from....?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Taxes..

Taxes on...?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Capitalist companies and labour employed therein.

Might need a rethink.

Ipso · 04-03-2019 10:43PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

We could fund this by taxation which would come from....?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Taxes..

Taxes on...?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Capitalist companies and labour employed therein.

Might need a rethink.

Infairness it probbaly sounded better when he was in the student bar.

Beasty · 04-03-2019 10:44PM

I fully expect my pensions to be sustaining the economy of some Caribbean or South Pacific island in due course...

….I will though be baling out of said island when global warming threatens sinking it below the relevant ocean waves

Your pension is destroying the planet

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