Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

El_Bee wrote: »

the conditions for this fued to end will leave one dominant gang in Dublin right?

Doubt it. There are other gangs that are probably just waiting to see how this plays out, while obviously going about their day to day crime.

pablo128 wrote: »

There are plenty more crews around. Some I'm sure are still under the radar. There's eastern Europeans, travellers, and our own natives at it.

The way I understand it, the Hutch v Kinahan/Byrne feud involves people primarily based in the south-west inner city and the north-east inner city, with many of the Kinahan aligned folks hailing from Dublins 8 and 12, and from what I've seen most of the Hutch aligned folks hailing from Dublins 1 and 3 (possibly including a small part of Dublin 7 as well, but my hunch is that any gang related activity this area is unconnected?)

This leave vast swathes of both the city centre and the greater Dublin area without any tangible connections to this, and yet there's obviously still organised crime in most areas. The North Co. Dublin feud in Finglas seems to be almost entirely unrelated to the Hutch-Kinahan/Byrne feud, and there seems to be a fair amount of activity in parts of Cabra and Darndale as well which has no connection.

I think the reason this one seems so all-encompassing is that the main players involved are fairly well known in general chit chat whereas some of the other groups wouldn't be - The Monk and Christy Snr are very famous well outside their immediate social circle thanks to their previous activities and the media coverage thereof, and on top of this, the communities they operate in are old Dublin communities with a lot of people who know eachother by only one or two degrees of separation. The gigantic turnout for David Byrne's funeral is evidence of that - several hundred people at least.

Both Crumlin and Dublin 1 have a very "village" feel to them in terms of neighbours knowing eachother and there being local gossip and grapevines. Not every part of Dublin has this type of socialising among neighbours - a lot of newer ones would be described as "soulless" by people from older ones on the grounds that many people who move to them stick almost exclusively with their existing social circle and there isn't that much socialising between neighbours, etc. It's a criticism you see very often of new planned developments. This is pretty much the opposite of what many of these older communities established in the mid-20th century are like, which is one of the reasons this kind of thing resonates a bit more - I'm from a fairly posh part of South Co. Dublin, went to a private school in Dublin 4 and even I'm sometimes amazed at how few degrees of separation there are between myself and some of the people involved in the big feud.

To put this another way, I know people living in Crumlin and I know people living near Mountjoy Square, sometimes families who are only there one generation and sometimes even people my own age who've moved there from outside the city to start families. Compared with people I know who would live in some newer communities and developments, the level to which they know who's who and would know many of the locals to say hello to on the street is worlds apart - in newer developments, I honestly know a lot of folks who'd struggle to remember peoples' named beyond their immediate next door neighbours.

It's simultaneously one of the reasons this kind of feuding is so depressing and also probably why other feuds don't blow up in the way that this one has - these are very old communities which are having their residents' lives torn apart by death and fear (regardless of what some will say the actual criminals are still a small minority and their neighbours and friends really don't deserve to have their lives f*cked up like this), and also they're not being replaced because newer communities don't seem to develop the same level of socialising. So we probably won't see as many feuds like this in the future, but that'll be symptomatic of the dying off of old communities where everyone knows everyone, to be replaced by newer ones where most people is in more of a social "bubble". So if someone gets shot in a brand new development from the Celtic Tiger era or subsequent, the area itself doesn't descend into chaos because there's not as much of a connection with neighbours. It's much easier for a local feud to erupt into something much bigger if a shooting victim has a hundred close friends living in the same neighbourhood who are angered and heartbroken by what's happened - it only takes a handful of them with fewer scruples than most to get together and decide to take revenge. And when it does, it's more personal than in a more modern one - it very rapidly stops being "your mates ripped us off" to "your mates killed my best friend from when we were kids, I won't rest until every one of you is in the ground".

Despite how awful it must be to live in the former type of community when something like this kicks off, living in the latter type sounds incredibly bleak to me.

tretorn wrote: »

Deirdre Heney on to say Raheny doesnt normally experience this type of behaviour.

Then again Raheny doesnt have huge numbers of North Africans so the raheny residents dont care what life is like for those poor devils In Balbriggan and West Dublin who have to put up with this crap every night. Short of stopping these scum getting on the Dart in the first place how do you stop them travelling.

Isnt the Raheny Garda station very close to St Annes, how could it take an hour to get a response.

It looks like neighbourhood watches will have to be formed as the Gardai seem unable to deal with these black teenagers. If they were met by an organised group of strong young men at the dart stations ready to give them a taste of their own medicine they might think twice about causing trouble.

Yeah, but the cops would be out in force then, I honestly believe the only thing here is to meet force with force (the gangs I mean, not the cops)

Dante7 wrote: »

They're moving south on the Dart line. They will get as far as Kilbarrack and that will put a halt to that.

Do you really believe that, if it happens I'd applaud the lads in Kilbarrack..

tretorn wrote: »

Deirdre Heney on to say Raheny doesnt normally experience this type of behaviour.

Then again Raheny doesnt have huge numbers of North Africans so the raheny residents dont care what life is like for those poor devils In Balbriggan and West Dublin who have to put up with this crap every night. Short of stopping these scum getting on the Dart in the first place how do you stop them travelling.

Isnt the Raheny Garda station very close to St Annes, how could it take an hour to get a response.

It looks like neighbourhood watches will have to be formed as the Gardai seem unable to deal with these black teenagers. If they were met by an organised group of strong young men at the dart stations ready to give them a taste of their own medicine they might think twice about causing trouble.

It won't be long before they form their own 'proper' gang.

That's what you get Ireland.

Feckless Ireland, feckless Nigerian parents.

SKILFUL wrote: »

Lol they only raid areas where pussies live
They wohld never come within ten milrs of my village
Dibs voted for this sl varavdka and tbem can lie in their bed

Time to go to bed I think.

SKILFUL wrote: »

Lol they only raid areas where pussies live
They wohld never come within ten milrs of my village
Dibs voted for this sl varavdka and tbem can lie in their bed

And to think they come here and don’t even bother to learn the launguage eh.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

pablo128 wrote: »

There are plenty more crews around. Some I'm sure are still under the radar. There's eastern Europeans, travellers, and our own natives at it.

The way I understand it, the Hutch v Kinahan/Byrne feud involves people primarily based in the south-west inner city and the north-east inner city, with many of the Kinahan aligned folks hailing from Dublins 8 and 12, and from what I've seen most of the Hutch aligned folks hailing from Dublins 1 and 3 (possibly including a small part of Dublin 7 as well, but my hunch is that any gang related activity this area is unconnected?)

This leave vast swathes of both the city centre and the greater Dublin area without any tangible connections to this, and yet there's obviously still organised crime in most areas. The North Co. Dublin feud in Finglas seems to be almost entirely unrelated to the Hutch-Kinahan/Byrne feud, and there seems to be a fair amount of activity in parts of Cabra and Darndale as well which has no connection.

I think the reason this one seems so all-encompassing is that the main players involved are fairly well known in general chit chat whereas some of the other groups wouldn't be - The Monk and Christy Snr are very famous well outside their immediate social circle thanks to their previous activities and the media coverage thereof, and on top of this, the communities they operate in are old Dublin communities with a lot of people who know eachother by only one or two degrees of separation. The gigantic turnout for David Byrne's funeral is evidence of that - several hundred people at least.

Both Crumlin and Dublin 1 have a very "village" feel to them in terms of neighbours knowing eachother and there being local gossip and grapevines. Not every part of Dublin has this type of socialising among neighbours - a lot of newer ones would be described as "soulless" by people from older ones on the grounds that many people who move to them stick almost exclusively with their existing social circle and there isn't that much socialising between neighbours, etc. It's a criticism you see very often of new planned developments. This is pretty much the opposite of what many of these older communities established in the mid-20th century are like, which is one of the reasons this kind of thing resonates a bit more - I'm from a fairly posh part of South Co. Dublin, went to a private school in Dublin 4 and even I'm sometimes amazed at how few degrees of separation there are between myself and some of the people involved in the big feud.

To put this another way, I know people living in Crumlin and I know people living near Mountjoy Square, sometimes families who are only there one generation and sometimes even people my own age who've moved there from outside the city to start families. Compared with people I know who would live in some newer communities and developments, the level to which they know who's who and would know many of the locals to say hello to on the street is worlds apart - in newer developments, I honestly know a lot of folks who'd struggle to remember peoples' named beyond their immediate next door neighbours.

It's simultaneously one of the reasons this kind of feuding is so depressing and also probably why other feuds don't blow up in the way that this one has - these are very old communities which are having their residents' lives torn apart by death and fear (regardless of what some will say the actual criminals are still a small minority and their neighbours and friends really don't deserve to have their lives f*cked up like this), and also they're not being replaced because newer communities don't seem to develop the same level of socialising. So we probably won't see as many feuds like this in the future, but that'll be symptomatic of the dying off of old communities where everyone knows everyone, to be replaced by newer ones where most people is in more of a social "bubble". So if someone gets shot in a brand new development from the Celtic Tiger era or subsequent, the area itself doesn't descend into chaos because there's not as much of a connection with neighbours. It's much easier for a local feud to erupt into something much bigger if a shooting victim has a hundred close friends living in the same neighbourhood who are angered and heartbroken by what's happened - it only takes a handful of them with fewer scruples than most to get together and decide to take revenge. And when it does, it's more personal than in a more modern one - it very rapidly stops being "your mates ripped us off" to "your mates killed my best friend from when we were kids, I won't rest until every one of you is in the ground".

Despite how awful it must be to live in the former type of community when something like this kicks off, living in the latter type sounds incredibly bleak to me.

Man, you've got far too much time on your hands !!

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