16 year-old boy guilty of murdering Alesha MacPhail

SoundsRight · 22-02-2019 10:53am

paw patrol wrote: »

ffs , that's a stupid baseless accusation.
In fact, blaming the father in any way is low.

nothing relating to him watching porn or drugs leads to what happened to that girl. The only culprit was the fella convicted.

Stupid baseless accusation? The father admitted this in court under oath.

AndrewJRenko · 22-02-2019 10:53am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Absolutely heartbreaking what happened to that gorgeous little girl. He should never again see the light of day.

He will, there is no such thing like in America of incarceration for actual life.

How's it working out for them over there as a deterrent for crime against children?

RWCNT · 22-02-2019 11:01am

Hedgelayer wrote: »

You sound like a leftie liberal alright, trying to get your message across by making a dig at my post.

How could someone who made that choice be of sound mind.

You're way off the mark if you think that a guy who'd do something so horrific is of sound mind.

And if you're stating that YOU'RE A LEFTIE LIBERAL

And you think this guy was of sound mind when he committed this adhorrent crime...

Well if all leftie Liberals think like yourself, I rest my case, because that wasn't an act of sound mind.

The mind boggles sometimes

How do you know what a leftie liberal sounds like when, by your own admission, you only found out what "the left" is yesterday?

The assumption you're arguing that a criminal such as this is "mad rather than bad" is also quite a stereotypical "leftie liberal" (contradiction in terms by the way) position, for your information. You're awful at this.

Absolutely terrible crime, I'd like to see him tried as an adult. The rape and murder of a child is not a youthful mistake.

22-02-2019 11:03am

Victor wrote: »

Actually, in the period of 16-25, most people grow up and stop being involved in crime.

Sexual crime is a different story altogether.

Jackman25 · 22-02-2019 11:16am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How's it working out for them over there as a deterrent for crime against children?

Those locked up for life don't re-offend, so it works fine for them.

Bigbagofcans · 22-02-2019 11:21am

Your Face wrote: »

I love the people here saying they're 'lefty liberals' and calling for him to be hanged.

That's great stuff.

I'm liberal and I think the world would be a better place if people like him were extinguished from this earth. Evil evil person who cannot be rehabilitated.

Hedgelayer · 22-02-2019 11:26am

RWCNT wrote: »

How do you know what a leftie liberal sounds like when, by your own admission, you only found out what "the left" is yesterday?

The assumption you're arguing that a criminal such as this is "mad rather than bad" is also quite a stereotypical "leftie liberal" (contradiction in terms by the way) position, for your information. You're awful at this.

Absolutely terrible crime, I'd like to see him tried as an adult. The rape and murder of a child is not a youthful mistake.

Well between the time I posted yesterday and this morning I had plenty of time to read what a leftie liberal is, and the poster admitted he or she is one of those leftie liberals.

This crime is evil full stop.

I don't know where you're coming from with mad and bad, but if the two can be strung together and we can come up with a word which describes the evil act both mad and bad I'd agree with you.

I think people took my post personal rather than reading it and asking me what do I mean by leftie liberals.

Did I mean all lefties are supporting bad behaviour ?

No I've friends who are very left, we just don't discuss politics.

Did I mean every left wing person would stick up for the criminal ?

Of course not.

Did I make a mistake by bringing up leftie liberal in my post ?

Yes I did, because obviously it upsets a few people.

Did I mean to upset a few people ?

Of course not.

If I left out leftie liberal out of my post which upset some people, would I it have gotten the same response ?

Most definitely not.

But I will say, you'll still get people feeling sorry for the perpetrator rather than the victim, making up all kinds of excuses for this horrendous crime.

From the geographical location, to porn, drugs and watching violence on the internet.

Look it's like this, anyone who'd do this is evil and deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth....

razorblunt · 22-02-2019 11:27am

It's an absolutely disgusting and horrific scenario. I live in Scotland and its all anyone has been really talking about.

The kid is a monster, plain and simple, refused to acknowledge what he had done and attempted to delay the whole thing. On account of this they had to go through everything that happened to the little girl, her mother ran from the court after the read out the list of injuries.

I hope he rots.

Skylinehead · 22-02-2019 11:36am

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Well between the time I posted yesterday and this morning I had plenty of time to read what a leftie liberal is, and the poster admitted he or she is one of those leftie liberals.

This crime is evil full stop.

I don't know where you're coming from with mad and bad, but if the two can be strung together and we can come up with a word which describes the evil act both mad and bad I'd agree with you.

I think people took my post personal rather than reading it and asking me what do I mean by leftie liberals.

Did I mean all lefties are supporting bad behaviour ?

No I've friends who are very left, we just don't discuss politics.

Did I mean every left wing person would stick up for the criminal ?

Of course not.

Did I make a mistake by bringing up leftie liberal in my post ?

Yes I did, because obviously it upsets a few people.

Did I mean to upset a few people ?

Of course not.

If I left out leftie liberal out of my post which upset some people, would I it have gotten the same response ?

Most definitely not.

But I will say, you'll still get people feeling sorry for the perpetrator rather than the victim, making up all kinds of excuses for this horrendous crime.

From the geographical location, to porn, drugs and watching violence on the internet.

Look it's like this, anyone who'd do this is evil and deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth....

Mod: Don't post here again. State of this.

Dravokivich · 22-02-2019 11:55am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

He will, there is no such thing like in America of incarceration for actual life.

The family of this child will bear a more difficult burden. Was always the way. Sadly.

Bronson?

orourkeda1977 · 22-02-2019 12:13pm

Dannyriver wrote: »

I'm not being smart here but does that really need to be said, shouldn't it just be a given that only the most deeply ill would possibly think otherwise.

Given how many child abuse cases that have been exposed in this country and globally perhaps child abuse is more widespread than people care to admit. I dare say we're still only at the tip of th eiceberg

Anyone with a shred of decency in them knows you dont harm any kid.

However, perhaps there are more people beasts out there then we could imagine.

randd1 · 22-02-2019 12:29pm

He should be named, and never let out of prison.

Some people have a harsh and horrible life and which leads them to do bad things.
Some people do bad things because they have no choice.
Some people do bad things because of fear/panic/terror.

And some people are just born bad. My reading of the case as reported, I get the impression this lad is just born bad, and will do it again if given the opportunity, he just seems to utter evil. He should be left to rot. Or better yet do everybody a favour, put a gun to his forehead, pull the trigger and be done with it.

Grayson · 22-02-2019 12:37pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

You people are the worst. You just need to get that little political shot in there don't you?

As a lefty liberal, I'd be happy to see him strung up. He made a choice of sound mind, to hell with him.

I honestly have no idea what to do with him. He's obviously a danger.

I think rather than sentencing guidelines for teenagers/adults his incarceration should be treated as a public safety matter.

This is a very disturbed crime that I think most, if not all, of us would have trouble getting out heads around. Whatever about treating him as an adult/child in a trial, he should never be released unless we are 100% certain that he can never endanger someone again.

mud · 22-02-2019 12:46pm

jmayo wrote: »

No the so called justice system will do that all on it's own.

Remember that sack of shyte from Kilkenny that raped and murdered a single mother and then because he set the house on fire he murdered her two young daughters Zara 7 and Nadia 2 on Christmas Day in 2008 ?

When other children were waking up to santa, that fooking cun* made sure they never woke again.

Remember how he got 3 consecutive life sentences ?

Well on appeal he was give 3 concurrent sentences.

He was due for parole in 2016.
Yes 7 years later he was due for parole.
He was refused parole, but why would a piece of scum like that be illegible for parole after 7 years ?

BTW her family asked the so called justice system and state of this country which of the three lives was the only one that mattered when they changed his sentence.

Also when he gets out, even though he is a rapist, he won't be on sex offenders list because our justice system did not charge him with the rape, but with murder.

So don't ever think that we give perverts and murderers the justice they deserve.

As for the scumbag in Scotland a hot poker in the hole is too good for him.

“Parole” in Ireland is sentence management working towards eventual release. It’s totally different to the American system.

I feel sorry when I hear victims and their families getting upset as they think the offender is on their way out the door. That’s not how it works.

A life sentenced offender is automatically invited to engage with the Parole Process after 7 years served. Some engage, some don’t. Many go through at least several reviews with years in between before they get near a position where they may be trusted with reviewable temporary release.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-02-2019 1:28pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

He will, there is no such thing like in America of incarceration for actual life.

The family of this child will bear a more difficult burden. Was always the way. Sadly.

In Ireland there is. The current longest serving prisoner in Ireland has been incarcerated since 1976.

A Life Sentence never goes away. The State have the right to hold the convicted person for the rest of their life. Parole is not a guarantee, it's ultimately at the discretion of the Justice Minister of the day. The convicted can be returned to prison at any time to continue their sentence if they reoffend while out on licence.

AndrewJRenko · 22-02-2019 1:31pm

Jackman25 wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How's it working out for them over there as a deterrent for crime against children?

Those locked up for life don't re-offend, so it works fine for them.

So your definition of 'works fine' includes :

One in four girls and one in six boys will be sexually abused before they turn 18 years old

https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

AndrewJRenko · 22-02-2019 2:06pm

SoundsRight wrote: »

Drugs and broken families, can the tide be turned? Family values have gone out the window, people have turned their back on the Church and worship money instead.

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-02-2019 2:47pm

Murderer now named as Aaron Campbell. Some of the more loony websites had him as a refugee and that it why the state was protecting his identity

r93kaey5p2izun · 22-02-2019 2:50pm

The judge has allowed his identity to be revealed. Only right when he could name another person and accuse them of the murder in court, and have her name and picture splashed all over the media while he enjoyed anonymity from the public. I hope there is no mitigation considered on sentencing given he has refused to accept any responsibility and forced the family through a very public trial.

Bigbagofcans · 22-02-2019 3:07pm

A normal enough looking teenager. Very scary that an evil monster exists underneath that.

He was known to have killed and skinned cats before burying them in the back garden.

Always preying on the defenceless

gimli2112 · 22-02-2019 3:16pm

Fair play to the judge for naming him. I hope he never knows a moment's peace.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-02-2019 3:21pm

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A normal enough looking teenager. Very scary that an evil monster exists underneath that.

He was known to have killed and skinned cats before burying them in the back garden.

Always preying on the defenceless

All these weirdos seem to hone their art on small animals before progressing to murder. It's such a tell tale sign that something is deeply wrong with a child.

NomadicGray · 22-02-2019 3:31pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Some of the more loony websites had him as a refugee and that it why the state was protecting his identity

Which sites?

PopePalpatine · 22-02-2019 3:31pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

I think a bridge is more likely.

r93kaey5p2izun · 22-02-2019 3:42pm

NomadicGray wrote: »

Which sites?

Katie Hopkins had written about it. Blamed it on Syrian refugees on the island and said that's why he wasn't named.

NomadicGray · 22-02-2019 3:56pm

Jaylene Helpless Beachcomber wrote: »

Katie Hopkins had written about it. Blamed it on Syrian refugees on the island and said that's why he wasn't named.

oh yeah, that wan.

topper75 · 22-02-2019 4:09pm

cluane wrote: »

...
Scottish law is mostly the same as English law, which in turn Irish law roughly conforms to...

I believe Scottish law is actually closer to the continental style Roman thing, sort of like French civil code. English is common law courts.

SoundsRight · 22-02-2019 4:32pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

You think if her father tried to stick to Christian values he'd have ended up dealing drugs to kids, shacked up with some teenage girl, bringing this filth into Alesha's life?

nullzero · 22-02-2019 4:35pm

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A normal enough looking teenager. Very scary that an evil monster exists underneath that.

He was known to have killed and skinned cats before burying them in the back garden.

Always preying on the defenceless

A very clean cut young man, reminds me of Brian Blackwell (young lad who murdered his parents in Liverpool and went off on holiday to American using their credit cards).
Psychopaths look just like normal people.

AndrewJRenko · 22-02-2019 4:38pm

SoundsRight wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

You think if her father tried to stick to Christian values he'd have ended up dealing drugs to kids, shacked up with some teenage girl, bringing this filth into Alesha's life?

You don't need Christianity to have decent values. Given the track record of the Churches on sexual abuse of children, it is not in any position to cast stones.

I'd far prefer to see people finding their decent values through their innate humanity rather than be depending on fictional stories from a couple of millennia back.

16 year-old boy guilty of murdering Alesha MacPhail

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