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Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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    #4862
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Suckit wrote: »
    If Patrick Hutch planned on leaving the country via Dublin Airport, hope he did so yesterday
    https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1098550185758781440

    Although he might go up North first? He could already be in Dubai...

    I'd say he's up North, whether he stays there or not is another thing. Mago seems safe enough up there.


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    #4863
    STB.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    I think the weapons uses were a variant of the ak47, still heavy duty firepower. It certainly could have been a bloodbath but they couldn't find the targets they were looking for.

    From the pictures, looks very like a PA Md.65. Romanian copy most likely.


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    #4864
    PingTing comes for Fire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭PingTing comes for Fire


    AK 47 and other Assault Rifles can be used in single shot mode or can fire semi automatic or fully automatic(sometimes needs a conversion)

    It can also not be fired at all if you screwed up your planning and recon.


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    #4865
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,173 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    El_Bee wrote: »
    My knowledge is only from TV shows, Movies & Video games but don't AK-47's have extremely destructive firepower? how was it not a slaughterhouse in there?


    because that would require actually hitting what you aim at. Something these gangsters seem incredibly bad at.


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    #4866
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Do Gardai lose their state pension if they’re found guilty of a crime?


    Are you asking about Det Fox ? if so why ?


    If not then no i wouldn't think so. as long as they contribute the required amount over the required period of time

    Gardai buy a fairly good pension but its topped up by the state.

    as for the state pension well every one gets it regardless of criminal history hutch or Kinahan


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    #4867
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    because that would require actually hitting what you aim at. Something these gangsters seem incredibly bad at.

    Well if you want to have a look at Tossy Fox's fb for example you'll see he learned to shoot in Courtlough not a fullbore pistol or rifle range and it's quite hard to learn firearm proficiency when you have no access to a range or have never been in the military.

    Shooting from a couple of feet away seems to be the limit of their abilities.


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    #4868
    Calltocall
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Anyone else find it odd that the intended target wasn’t there when they stormed the hotel. The main event/weigh in was talking place when they attacked but he had left earlier.......


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    #4869
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    PingTing comes for Fire wrote: »
    AK 47 and other Assault Rifles can be used in single shot mode or can fire semi automatic or fully automatic(sometimes needs a conversion)

    It can also not be fired at all if you screwed up your planning and recon.


    I had the idea that the two guys stormed in and started spraying the place indiscriminately with AK fire.


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    #4870
    Calltocall
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Calltocall wrote: »
    Anyone else find it odd that the intended target wasn’t there when they stormed the hotel. The main event/weigh in was talking place when they attacked but he had left earlier.......

    As in could target of got wind that something was coming, is it definite that he did in fact leave beforehand or did he escape during the panic?


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    #4871
    GBX
    Registered Users Posts: 11,914 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    There's video attached to this article I Haven't seen before, it's shows byrne being gunned down.

    I think the weapons uses were a variant of the ak47, still heavy duty firepower. It certainly could have been a bloodbath but they couldn't find the targets they were looking for.

    Byrne was unlucky he ran straight into them.

    I can only assume they hoped Daniel Kinahan would also have ran towards the main entrance. If he had of he would be dead now too.


    https://www.thesun.ie/news/3778835/hutch-kinahan-feud-david-byrne-regency/
    Which link has the cctv the sun or mirror one?


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    #4872
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    GBX wrote: »
    Which link has the cctv the sun or mirror one?

    The Sun, should be in the link I posted.


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    #4873
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Calltocall wrote: »
    As in could target of got wind that something was coming, is it definite that he did in fact leave beforehand or did he escape during the panic?

    I heard he didn't actually "leave" beforehand, he just left the function room the event was happening in and thus was able to escape when the shooting started. Could have been that he went to the jacks, to take a phone call or have a smoke - either way he wasn't in the room. If this was the case, he could have escaped through a different part of the hotel or just into the hotel proper.

    Always assumed it was more just incredibly bad luck and bad timing for the hit squad as opposed to a full-on escape for Kinahan. The way the story has been told in various newspaper articles, a few minutes earlier and he'd have been in the room.


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    #4874
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Do Gardai lose their state pension if they’re found guilty of a crime?

    No. Why would they ? They've paid for it, probably over 25 /30 years or more.


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    #4875
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Where might the hit team have got their hands on the ARU gear?

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #4876
    Witcher
    Registered Users Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Where might the hit team have got their hands on the ARU gear?

    Nothing to do with the ASU, it's just tactical clothing, it was the press that linked it to the Gardai, 'ERU style' load of bollocks.

    You'd buy similar in any airsoft shop or online and slap an embroidered GARDA patch on it


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    #4877
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Independent are reporting that it was Patsy that picked him up on the motorbike at court.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/prime-target-for-kinahan-mob-flees-with-his-father-to-the-north-37837804.html


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    #4878
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Suckit wrote: »
    Independent are reporting that it was Patsy that picked him up on the motorbike at court.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/prime-target-for-kinahan-mob-flees-with-his-father-to-the-north-37837804.html


    The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
    How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.


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    #4879
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
    How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.

    Is Patsy normally a biker?

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #4880
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Suckit wrote: »
    Independent are reporting that it was Patsy that picked him up on the motorbike at court.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/prime-target-for-kinahan-mob-flees-with-his-father-to-the-north-37837804.html

    I thought Patsy was in complete lockdown tbh, last week I actually misremembered him as one of the deceased. He went into hiding last year after a bunch of "Patsy dies = feud ends" slogans were spray painted in various locations around his neighbourhood. Perhaps Patrick is going to hide in the same location that Patsy is hiding in?

    I have to wonder what kind of terms The Monk's family are on with him at the moment - it's not a stretch to speculate that he could regarded as responsible, through the botched Regency hit, for all the bloodshed which has been visited on his family since (even if it started with Gary Hutch's murder). Wonder if they hold that against him, I can imagine it could be a very bitter situation all around.


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    #4881
    imme
    Registered Users Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how Nigerians and other non-EU nationals are living here? I'm all for taking in qualified nurses from the Philippines, but how are unskilled migrants coming in?
    Ireland is easy, that's why,

    Ireland has a feckless attitude.

    Nigerians keep coming.

    It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

    Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

    Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.


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    #4882
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
    How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.



    cos given the extreme lockdown by the gardai in the area , a fella on a bike with helmet would have been vetted and permitted to be sitting at the side door of the court.
    the gardai knew who it was and told the indo - the same indo who's boy Paul Williams is essentially the gardai PR man.
    a cosy cartel so to speak...

    thats' how.


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    #4883
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Where might the hit team have got their hands on the ARU gear?

    Any Chinese fabric shop


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    #4884
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Jizique


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    No. Why would they ? They've paid for it, probably over 25 /30 years or more.

    Not sure where the idea that cops pay for their pension through contributions comes from; they come nowhere near it, but whatever.
    The taxpayer pays for it - they make a token contribution


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    #4885
    leakyboots
    Registered Users Posts: 5,923 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    imme wrote: »
    Ireland is easy, that's why,

    Ireland has a feckless attitude.

    Nigerians keep coming.

    It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

    Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

    Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_5_Diversity.pdf

    Sorry but you're talking complete bull.

    If you actually read the CSO statistics the numbers of Nigerians that 'keep coming' here is actually dropping steadily for this decade. It's Romanians, Brazilians and Spanish that 'keep coming' here.

    Nigerians don't even make it into the Top 10 nationalities resident here numbers-wise anymore!


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    #4886
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    imme wrote: »
    Ireland is easy, that's why,

    Ireland has a feckless attitude.

    Nigerians keep coming.

    It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

    Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

    Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

    In fairness I think Dante is asking a fair question. How do people from outside the EU come and live here? I have often wondered the same.

    And I don't need a smart arse answer, I'm looking for a serious one.


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    #4887
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    No. Why would they ? They've paid for it, probably over 25 /30 years or more.
    Jizique wrote: »
    Not sure where the idea that cops pay for their pension through contributions comes from; they come nowhere near it, but whatever.
    The taxpayer pays for it - they make a token contribution

    pensions are protected under the constitution under property rights (and rightly so) . You'd need a referendum to change this.

    on a tangent
    I find it bizarre people champion the state/courts to have the power to strip somebody's pension...not realising it could be used to strip you of yours.
    insanity


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    #4888
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
    How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.

    How are you so sure they don't know?


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    #4889
    Fiftyfilthy
    Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Fiftyfilthy


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I thought Patsy was in complete lockdown tbh, last week I actually misremembered him as one of the deceased. He went into hiding last year after a bunch of "Patsy dies = feud ends" slogans were spray painted in various locations around his neighbourhood. Perhaps Patrick is going to hide in the same location that Patsy is hiding in?

    I have to wonder what kind of terms The Monk's family are on with him at the moment - it's not a stretch to speculate that he could regarded as responsible, through the botched Regency hit, for all the bloodshed which has been visited on his family since (even if it started with Gary Hutch's murder). Wonder if they hold that against him, I can imagine it could be a very bitter situation all around.


    He lives in his house


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    #4890
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    imme wrote: »
    Ireland is easy, that's why,

    Ireland has a feckless attitude.

    Nigerians keep coming.

    It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

    Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

    Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

    Sometime soon, it will be just too late.
    It won't matter for the likes of Zappone, who will be back in the States, and Leo and Coveney will be living and working in Brussels.


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    #4891
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Sometime soon, it will be just too late.
    It won't matter for the likes of Zappone, who will be back in the States, and Leo and Coveney will be living and working in Brussels.

    Eh, have you been to Brussels recently??


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