ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

Grayson wrote: »

Has anyone said that she shouldn't be tried for any crimes she's committed? I think even membership of ISIS is a crime so there's definitely that.

It's weird there's a group of people here saying her citizenship shouldn't be stripped and that she should face trail for her crimes. And for some reason we're the wishy washy liberals.

How messed up does your argument have to be to think that the people who think she should be put on trial are the ones going easy on her.

Take a look at some of the other sentences handed out to some of these nut jobs. Ie 6 years out in 2 wow such a deterrent

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Because she'll probably serve less than 3-4 years in prison (i.e. in a holiday camp compared to a prison in Syria or Kurdistan) and be comped at the expense of the taxpayer for the rest of her life. As will the other children she has on release.

Or, she'll go to Bangladesh (or the Netherlands), build a life for herself and escape punishment completely.

Then her child will grow up hearing the stories about badly the evil westerners treated his mother, enter the UK as a UK citizen and conspire to commit terrorist acts.

Instead, they could have brought her home, imprisoned her for life and had her child raised by people who aren't religious extremists.

But nope, as usual, they went with the emotional reaction and compounded the problem.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Because she'll probably serve less than 3-4 years in prison (i.e. in a holiday camp compared to a prison in Syria or Kurdistan) and be comped at the expense of the taxpayer for the rest of her life. As will the other children she has on release.

It will be the Kurds that have to deal with her, there seems to be a misplaced narrative that they will be much tougher than anything she can expect in Britain.

The Kurds are progressive, they want full international recognition.

Their "justice system" is based on reconciliation, rehabilitation, not vengeance. She would also be classed as minor in Kurd law AFAIK when she joined ISIS.

So getting a "Rage Horn" and shouting let the Kurds deal with her like they will just shoot her in back of the head and bury in the desert is just silly.

Its very simple.


She chose ISIS and their ideology over democracy.



Let her now reap the rewards of her decision.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well that is pretty conclusive then.

And 12 years later she's a hateful jihadi. Who brought her up? Her parents have a lot to answer for. No doubt a pile of scum too.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Why would she get life when guys who actually fought for Isis and returned to Britain are walking around free?

Well if they can't be charged with a crime, have they even committed one? How many people have admitted membership of ISIS on their admission back into the UK and are walking around free?

seamus wrote: »

Well if they can't be charged with a crime, have they even committed one? How many people have admitted membership of ISIS on their admission back into the UK and are walking around free?

Hopefully zero. This doesn't happen. Does it?

Would internment be an option?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Did you just assume that she is not a british citizen by birth because another posted said a british politician tweeted it? We do live in a world of fake news.

Replace the number 12 with the number 15 if you like. Same point.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Why blame the UK? She has dual citizenship with Bangladesh too so should they not take responsibility for their citizens?

She was born and raised and subsequently groomed and radicalized in Britain.

A Home Affairs Select Committee found there were failings in preventing this radicalization. The Met had to apologize to her parents, there is still major questions over how 4 children from the same school were groomed, radicalized and allowed leave the country.

That's before we even delve into the UK's colorful foreign policy which directly cluster fooked large parts of the region she traveled to.

So tell me again why Britain should not bare some blame, or more importantly why the fook Bangladesh should take responsibility?

mcmoustache wrote: »

As much as I like the idea of stripping citizenship from anyone who joins ISIS and the likes, there needs to trial. The state should not be allowed to punish without due process.

And that's not exactly that onerous - charge her, find her guilty and drop her off to whichever remaining country she is a citizen of.

How can they charge her if she's not resident in the UK and not a citizen? They can't.

This is an own-goal by the UK. Unless they're planning to illegally pick up people and bring them in for extrajudicial punishment like the Americans do, they've basically decided that it's easier to ignore ISIS members than punish them.

stefanovich wrote: »

Isn't membership of a banned organisation a crime?

I think the phrase is proscribed organisation.

And yes, it is here at least. We are always seeing people being charged with membership of the IRA. I assumed it was in the UK as well.

enda1 wrote: »

Should Ireland revoke the citizenship of everyone ever suspected of being a member of the IRA (or any other illegal terrorist organisation)?

:pac:


"SUSPECTED" of being a member??

She declared publicly where her loyalties were.

Suspicion my arse.

She's scum.
Let her rot in a flea pit with her beloved ilk.