Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Capt'n Midnight · 19-02-2019 09:43PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is the plan for UK financial services in a crash out? I hear a lot of talk about tariffs and quotas but nothing, it seems, in relation to FS.

The Swiss have signed a deal for business as usual. Most of the world's gold goes through London. Also the UK won't be benefiting from any new EU-Swiss deal.

The EU have announced some business as usual will continue even if there's a Hard Brexit. However, this is to cushion the EU and EU citizens from abrupt disruptions and could be withdrawn at anytime. So there could be more wealth transfers.

More Part VII transfers
Ariva are moving £8Bn here one minute before the UK leaves , NatWest are moving billions to it's Dutch hub.

listermint · 19-02-2019 09:44PM

What are the Spanish doing with the pensioner immigrants

Inquitus · 19-02-2019 09:46PM

listermint wrote: »

What are the Spanish doing with the pensioner immigrants

They can stay, but as it stands, in case of no deal, they lose the reciprocal health coverage that's part of the EU agreement, and will have to either pay out of pocket or get private cover. Given their age, premiums would be huge you'd think.

Water John · 19-02-2019 09:50PM

In plain language, you can stay and we'll take your money now, but when you get old and crokked head off back to the NHS.

Akrasia · 19-02-2019 09:54PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They admit problems with the model.

The model is based in each seat on a random simulation of Labour votes between the old and new parties, and it is not yet possible to give a definite seat-by-seat prediction or show changed seats.

Yeah. The labour split will result in more Tory gains as the ex labour candidate steals votes from the Labour candidate.

It really was a spectacular own goal given the FPTP nature of uk elections

Roanmore · 19-02-2019 09:54PM

Was watching CNN this morning, talking about Israel signing one of these deals with the UK. Said it was worth 4bn to the UK. They were saying UK will be delighted with this but all it was is a roll over of the current deal they have.
The spin is unbelievable.

Also the analogy about going to buy a car and being able to walk away is rubbish. A better analogy would be the UK trying to sell a car to the EU and basically saying we'll if you won't buy it we're leaving it here and walking away.

RobMc59 · 19-02-2019 09:59PM

road_high wrote: »

Perhaps not but reputationally Ireland is in a different league. Which really matters when you’re selling infant formula to China or Japan.
Salmonella, BSE and foot and mouth are still synonymous with UK food production, we are very lucky we have a strong recognized brand very distinct from the Uk one

https://www.teagasc.ie/animals/dairy/animal-health/disease/
Could be a case of pot,kettle,black as it looks like Ireland has its share of problems as well.

road_high · 19-02-2019 10:01PM

listermint wrote: »

What are the Spanish doing with the pensioner immigrants

The Spanish have been saints up to now dealing with these immigrants. Haven’t threatened or used them as bargaining chips once. Despite the fact they’re using Spanish health services and all other services, paying very little in tax (generally all retired, modest pensions).

road_high · 19-02-2019 10:04PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/animals/dairy/animal-health/disease/
Could be a case of pot,kettle,black as it looks like Ireland has its share of problems as well.

But those animal health problems occur all over the worlds? Once animals are treated and managed properly these are routine.
BSE and F&M have been mainly UK creations within Europe in recent scares. Nothing like that here really, bar imports from the UK.

jm08 · 19-02-2019 10:10PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/animals/dairy/animal-health/disease/
Could be a case of pot,kettle,black as it looks like Ireland has its share of problems as well.

Comparing Lameness, Liver Fluke and Mastitis to BSE is like comparing having a cold to suffering from cancer. The first three are all treatable. BSE kills.

Foot and Mouth isn't harmful to human health, just animal health.

briany · 19-02-2019 10:10PM

road_high wrote: »

The Spanish have been saints up to now dealing with these immigrants. Haven’t threatened or used them as bargaining chips once. Despite the fact they’re using Spanish health services and all other services, paying very little in tax (generally all retired, modest pensions).

Yeah, and I doubt there are many Spanish pensioners retiring to Torquay, so it seems like it's a bit one-sided, unless the teenagers coming to Britain in the summer to learn English makes up for it, 'cause I doubt most of them are contributing much into the British tax kitty either.

Capt'n Midnight · 19-02-2019 10:16PM

listermint wrote: »

What are the Spanish doing with the pensioner immigrants

Nothing.

They'll be focused on the general election on Sunday April 28th so the expats had better keep their heads down in case either side tries to use them as acceptable targets. Also good luck getting an Article 50 extension because that needs the Spanish to agree.

Also some argy-bargy over Gibraltar

Inquitus wrote: »

They can stay, but as it stands, in case of no deal, they lose the reciprocal health coverage that's part of the EU agreement, and will have to either pay out of pocket or get private cover. Given their age, premiums would be huge you'd think.

They can still get public cover.

One would be to continue accessing the Spanish NHS by a special agreement – which costs €157 a month for over 65s and €60 a month for under 65s, and involves paying 100% of prescription charges.

( can't find the reuters/bbc link I saw earlier about the S1 )

And it's still unclear about the new UK 25% clawback on foreign pension payments that's on the roadmap.

BTW unless you are Spanish or Spanish by blood or from a Spanish speaking country you can forget dual citizenship. So the UK expats would have to had over the (blue) passports, and that's a whole new mess if they ever try to back or get UK citizenship again.

An Ciarraioch · 19-02-2019 10:18PM

Financial Times saying Wollaston, Allen and Soubry are all considering leaving the Tories.

backspin. · 19-02-2019 10:23PM

briany wrote: »

Yeah, and I doubt there are many Spanish pensioners retiring to Torquay, so it seems like it's a bit one-sided, unless the teenagers coming to Britain in the summer to learn English makes up for it, 'cause I doubt most of them are contributing much into the British tax kitty either.

I thought under those reciprocal health agreements the UK would be reimbursing the Spanish health service for the cost of the British citizens using the Spanish health system.

road_high · 19-02-2019 10:28PM

briany wrote: »

Yeah, and I doubt there are many Spanish pensioners retiring to Torquay, so it seems like it's a bit one-sided, unless the teenagers coming to Britain in the summer to learn English makes up for it, 'cause I doubt most of them are contributing much into the British tax kitty either.

I’ve seen them in YouTube- they’re “expats” don’t ya know- not migrants! One loophole the Spanish should close up and start charging them top dollar fir their healthcare etc

Folkstonian · 19-02-2019 10:36PM

road_high wrote: »

I’ve seen them in YouTube- they’re “expats” don’t ya know- not migrants! One loophole the Spanish should close up and start charging them top dollar fir their healthcare etc

You classy fella, you.

Btw - Brits are overwhelmingly a net contributor to the Spanish economy. Over 15m Brits a year holiday in Spain, pouring billions into the tourism sector.

Despite all the uncertainty surrounding what happens next month, the drop off in U.K. citizens booking summer holidays in Spain and elsewhere in the EU has been relatively small so far, but if the Spanish want to take an abrasive stance towards them, I’m sure there are other countries to travel and spend lots of money in

Hurrache · 19-02-2019 10:45PM

But you know they're not talking about holiday makers don't you.

listermint · 19-02-2019 10:54PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

You classy fella, you.

Btw - Brits are overwhelmingly a net contributor to the Spanish economy. Over 15m Brits a year holiday in Spain, pouring billions into the tourism sector.

Despite all the uncertainty surrounding what happens next month, the drop off in U.K. citizens booking summer holidays in Spain and elsewhere in the EU has been relatively small so far, but if the Spanish want to take an abrasive stance towards them, I’m sure there are other countries to travel and spend lots of money in

Erm .. foreign holidays are the first hit in a recession. You know the people who will be out of work with closing businesses.

That's not smug. That's the dire consequences and situation we are in now.

You seem to be pretending as if business will be as usual. Milk and honey and all that

road_high · 19-02-2019 11:09PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

You classy fella, you.

Btw - Brits are overwhelmingly a net contributor to the Spanish economy. Over 15m Brits a year holiday in Spain, pouring billions into the tourism sector.

Despite all the uncertainty surrounding what happens next month, the drop off in U.K. citizens booking summer holidays in Spain and elsewhere in the EU has been relatively small so far, but if the Spanish want to take an abrasive stance towards them, I’m sure there are other countries to travel and spend lots of money in

Yes, were. Now you’re not anymore so you can drop the faux victimhood and martyrdom. On leaving the EU that card does with it. Not to even touch on all the rebates and benefits accrued- you don’t get anything fir nothing off the English as we know all too well here.
Yes I’m sure they can but still no need for the Spanish to be so accommodating to a bunch of old locusts living on their modest pensions clogging up Spanish hospitals and services, utilities. They can do all that in their own country which they were so keen to have control of.

road_high · 19-02-2019 11:13PM

backspin. wrote: »

I thought under those reciprocal health agreements the UK would be reimbursing the Spanish health service for the cost of the British citizens using the Spanish health system.

is that really the same thing? The Spanish health service is excellent - the migrants admit as much themselves so I don’t see the benefit to Spain of having an elderly cohort of migrants using it more frequently as older would need to. They’re taking up space and resources from the local tax paying Spanish and other working migrants.

FrancieBrady · 19-02-2019 11:13PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes, were. Now you’re not anymore so you can drop the faux victimhood and martyrdom. On leaving the EU that card does with it. Not to even touch on all the rebates and benefits accrued- you don’t get anything fir nothing off the English as we know all too well here.
Yes I’m sure they can but still no need for the Spanish to be so accommodating to a bunch of old locusts living on their modest pensions clogging up Spanish hospitals and services, utilities. They can do all that in their own country which they were so keen to have control of.

Without the need to be inhumanely harsh, these are just more examples of people who will be hurt by Brexit being those who can least sustain it.

Harry Palmr · 19-02-2019 11:15PM

Spain know 300,000 British immigrants are more good news than bad for their economy at the moment but as said as they get older and more ill then it might turn out to be a drain esp as post Brexit the numbers of fresh younger "expats" will surely start to fall off.

road_high · 19-02-2019 11:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Without the need to be inhumanely harsh, these are just more examples of people who will be hurt by Brexit being those who can least sustain it.

A lot of them actually voted for Brexit- again I’ve seen several interviewed- “because they wanted their country back”. If you’re that thick do you really warrant kitten gloved treatment thereafter? I don’t think so, actions have consequences. You want brexit the freedoms and privileges of being in the Eu go with it.

LeinsterDub · 19-02-2019 11:17PM

https://twitter.com/castlvillageman/status/1097875296349503488

Looks like the irish government is the only one looking out for the people of Northern Ireland

Spanish Eyes · 19-02-2019 11:17PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes, were. Now you’re not anymore so you can drop the faux victimhood and martyrdom. On leaving the EU that card does with it. Not to even touch on all the rebates and benefits accrued- you don’t get anything fir nothing off the English as we know all too well here.
Yes I’m sure they can but still no need for the Spanish to be so accommodating to a bunch of old locusts living on their modest pensions clogging up Spanish hospitals and services, utilities. They can do all that in their own country which they were so keen to have control of.

Here is an article from the BBC about retired Brits in Spain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47214093

The sheer ignorance (meant in the intelligence context) is just jaw dropping.

There is one lady who voted FOR Brexit and is now concerned. You just could not make this up really.

20silkcut · 19-02-2019 11:19PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/animals/dairy/animal-health/disease/
Could be a case of pot,kettle,black as it looks like Ireland has its share of problems as well.

The foot and mouth crisis of 2001 perfectly illustrated the difference in attitude to Animal disease between Ireland and the UK.
I recall 6 nations rugby games being cancelled in Ireland and hurling and football games.
Nothing like that happened in Britain.
It was a national crisis in Ireland.
It barely made headlines in Britain and that’s where all the **** was hitting the fan.

CelticRambler · 19-02-2019 11:19PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/animals/dairy/animal-health/disease/
Could be a case of pot,kettle,black as it looks like Ireland has its share of problems as well.

That's just a very (very) short list of the many (many) diseases that can and do affect animals that are kept for food. Every country has such a list, some with more or less lines on the list depending on geographical and climactic factors. Both Britain and Ireland have a natural advantage over other EU countries in that they are islands and as such have the benefit of a natural barrier to the spread of disease, and the opportunity to be very vigilant with regard to what animals come into the country (note: British cows are not Northern Irish cows; no unionism in the ox community :rolleyes: )

Where Brexit comes into play is at a different level. All the aforementionned diseases are treated by regular vets working with regular farmers; in addition, the soon-to-be-food animals are inspected before and after slaughter by vets operating under licence from the government; and animals moving out of and (especially) into the country are also inspected for signs of unwanted diseases and certified safe by licensed vets. Ireland has more than enough vets to do all of this work. Britain does not - so guess where they get the extra people from. Yep, the EU. And guess what's happened to EU-trained vet registrations in the UK since the referendum? Yep, same as has happened with teachers, uni lecturers, nurses, doctors and fruit pickers - they've found employment elsewhere.

Just another aspect of life in the UK that is intricately bound up with the EU, and cannot be unravelled without unintended consequences.

FrancieBrady · 19-02-2019 11:20PM

road_high wrote: »

A lot of them actually voted for Brexit- again I’ve seen several interviewed- “because they wanted their country back”. If you’re that thick do you really warrant kitten gloved treatment thereafter? I don’t think so, actions have consequences. You want brexit the freedoms and privileges of being in the Eu go with it.

I want the people who conned them to have consequences. Old people living their days out in the sun...not so much. They made a mistake they are admitting to at least.

Harry Palmr · 19-02-2019 11:29PM

20silkcut wrote: »

The foot and mouth crisis of 2001 perfectly illustrated the difference in attitude to Animal disease between Ireland and the UK.
I recall 6 nations rugby games being cancelled in Ireland and hurling and football games.
Nothing like that happened in Britain.
It was a national crisis in Ireland.
It barely made headlines in Britain and that’s where all the **** was hitting the fan.

That's the difference between a meat exporting nation and a meat importing nation

trashcan · 19-02-2019 11:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I want the people who conned them to have consequences. Old people living their days out in the sun...not so much. They made a mistake they are admitting to at least.

That's the thing though, there will be no consequences of note for the likes of Johnson, Farage, Rees Mogg and Gove. It's the very people who couldn't afford Brexit who voted it through. Ironic and sad really.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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